Which white people? Americans? Surely not. America is a multicultural country through both historical force and willing immigration. To expect white Americans to be as insular as Japanese people living in Japan in terms of race relations is giving them a mile.
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Jimquisition: Weapon Durability, Fanbase Fragility (Mar. 13th, 2017)
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Which white people? Americans? Surely not. America is a multicultural country through both historical force and willing immigration. To expect white Americans to be as insular as Japanese people living in Japan in terms of race relations is giving them a mile.
Sorry I think you've missed my point. I'm saying that it isn't worth fighting hard enemies early in the game for good gear because it won't last. Instead you can just get through, like I have with the gear you find lying around.
What would be more fun, I think, is a game that gave you good rewards for fighting enemies that are way outside your gear level. But this game doesn't do that.
And it's not worth fighting enemies in the late game because you have the master sword and their drops are worthless.
Basically at no point in the game is combat rewarding. Unless you find it rewarding for it's own sake. Which I don't in this game.
Weapons are meant to be used, dude!
btw, how far are you in the game? Because I'm like 50hrs in and there are still a bunch of rupee sinks that I'm always working towards. I'm also playing really slow though and only have done 2 dungeons.
So this
Isn't about effort? I'm saying effort:reward have seemed almost perfectly matched for me. Not always, but most of the time.
I thought recently they have been more like that which is cool. But I'm hoping for a protagonist
goldenpp72
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Oh, well that's a bit more valid, however you can also hold those weapons back and save them to fight other tougher enemies, and built up your inventory as well if so desired. The point is the system has a lot of balance consideration to it, while maybe not perfect, I can't think of an ungated open world game that does difficulty balance better.
Pretty harsh, it shoots laser beams if you try to throw it at full health, has decent durability and does 30 damage at basic and 60 when powered up, which would put it as one of the better weapons in the game considering you can also use a shield with it.
Judging by this thread and the last 20 some page thread that got locked, I'd say a fair number of people share his opinion.
SolicitorPirate
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But they are also evoking Western aesthetics and tropes. Medieval castles, knights and princesses aren't exactly Japanese.
EmCeeGramr
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This is the complete opposite of my experience. Killing or disarming early blue enemies is immensely rewarding, as is taking on silver enemies in the late game, who almost always drop weapons that far surpass the Master Sword.
RobbieNick
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I agree with him on some points.
Getting a rare weapon only to have it break right away is not fun. Nor will it ever be.
"Using a strong weapon to defeat weaker enemies makes the game too easy." Not exactly. If in a normal RPG, I level up and have stronger weapons, then naturally the older enemies would be easy to kill. That's a natural progression. I'm progressing forward. Getting stronger weapons to fight stronger enemies.
Weapons that are more tools than anything (torches, Woodsman's Axe, Koko Leaf) should be separate stock from the regular weapons IMO.
Getting a rare weapon only to have it break right away is not fun. Nor will it ever be.
"Using a strong weapon to defeat weaker enemies makes the game too easy." Not exactly. If in a normal RPG, I level up and have stronger weapons, then naturally the older enemies would be easy to kill. That's a natural progression. I'm progressing forward. Getting stronger weapons to fight stronger enemies.
Weapons that are more tools than anything (torches, Woodsman's Axe, Koko Leaf) should be separate stock from the regular weapons IMO.
Interesting, you might very well have hit the spot there. The funny thing is, unlike other Zeldas that are guilty of hand-holding the player like most other modern games nowadays, this one doesn't and for Jim that seems also be the reason why he wouldn't rate BotW even in his top 5 list of best Zelda games.
To sum it up: This Zelda is very much about gameplay and exploration, less so about story or leading the player around. It's a lot like Mario 64 if you think about it, in that game you were shown practically nothing but a written hint to reach that precious star, how to get it was up to the player to figure it out. This was something that made M64 so appealing and now is something that makes some people despise breath of the wild.
Well I guess those people are in for a rough time, it doesn't look like Mario Odyssey will be the hand-holding kind you came to know from the Mario 3D Land/World series(and to some extent even the Mario Galaxy series, where you were guided along the level most of the time too).
immortald3ath
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Jim's a genius. If he offered ppl to lick his balls, half of the ppl from this thread would go line up in front of him right now just for bringing Zelda's Metacritic down to 97....lol.
Have you read his review? Because he addresses several other points he did not like as well.
If you see the post I quoted, I was literally saying it isn't worth going to the castle at the start of the game to grind out really good weapons.
having it a second time helped me catch a few more crazies in my ignore list.
You never really need to pick them up once you have the Shiekah runes.
Like, do people forget they have an infinite supply of bombs, magnetic powers and the ability to freeze time? There are other ways to approach combat than just wailing on enemies with the weapons you have.
Then don't? the beauty of the game is how you choose to play it. What I would do since I seem to have these super awesome weapons that you and Jim seem to have, would be to go fight silver lynels so I can get star fragments. Those are incredibly rare and needed to upgrade certain armor sets. Are you fully stocked on those too?
I just can't think of a time when that ever happens. Unless you go totally ham with rare weapons immediately.
I think this is a system people will have to agree to disagree. It's divisive at its very core and there's not much that can be done to change that. To each their own.
Personally, I like weapon durability as implemented on BOTW. Many people have already argued the benefits of said system from a balancing perspective. I like that I can explore the world and complete sidequests at my own pace and the game still feels properly balanced. I'm never walled off from places I want to explore, there's no risk of massively "overleveling" and there's also no level scaling that kills the purpose of leveling systems in the first place. I'm like 40 hours in and at that point in FF XV I was massively above the required main quest level due to wanting to explore the world. In BOTW, it still feels like I'm appropriately powered for the main quest even after spending dozens of hours doing unrelated stuff. The weapon durability system is partly responsible for that and I will always defend its implementation in the game. It's an enjoyable system that makes me think creatively and mix it up when I don't want to waste a weapon. I just wish there were more "movesets" available for each weapon.
Personally, I like weapon durability as implemented on BOTW. Many people have already argued the benefits of said system from a balancing perspective. I like that I can explore the world and complete sidequests at my own pace and the game still feels properly balanced. I'm never walled off from places I want to explore, there's no risk of massively "overleveling" and there's also no level scaling that kills the purpose of leveling systems in the first place. I'm like 40 hours in and at that point in FF XV I was massively above the required main quest level due to wanting to explore the world. In BOTW, it still feels like I'm appropriately powered for the main quest even after spending dozens of hours doing unrelated stuff. The weapon durability system is partly responsible for that and I will always defend its implementation in the game. It's an enjoyable system that makes me think creatively and mix it up when I don't want to waste a weapon. I just wish there were more "movesets" available for each weapon.
i mean, yes i'm being harsh.
it helps me sometimes when i dont want to waste a good weapon, but the master sword was such a let down, i finnaly had the hearts to take it and i went to the lynel on zoras domain to see how powerful it was, it broke before even depleting half the life of the freaking lynel!
i mean c-mon!
since then, i just use it to dont waste other weapons
lol this is the best. Which is simpler: he actually thought it was a 7/10, or he concocted a multi-part campaign on twitter and his website that culminated in this video? How can you cite Occam's Razor and then choose the more complicated side? Or is this a masterwork troll?
goldenpp72
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It doesn't happen if you don't transfix on one weapon as an obsession, that's the point. I also cant think of many RARE weapons that are hard to get back, I save them for big fights and they pay off.
Aside that, it's amazing against one of the most brutal enemies, the guardians. It definitely has its place but it is a tool like everything else (a very valuable one, as I too often use it to 'break' it to preserve other weapons)
Deckard Chapel
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Objectively - nothing is perfect. My opinion is that BOTW is a solid 9.5
No.
The more obvious answer makes it generally the correct one. It's simpler due to it being obvious.
If you don't align to this scientific principle, blame William of Ockham
yup, i love it against guardians, and to make some dent on lynels before taking out the good stuff
I think people have false expectations about the Master Sword, it's a legendary weapon, however it's not because it simply does the most damage. To be fair, the Master Sword also wasn't that strong in Ocarina of Time either -compared to the biggoron sword, it's main advantage was that you could hold a shield alongside it but other than that the two handed biggoron sword was devastating and dealt twice the amount of damage
Lanrutcon
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Yup. That was his grand plan all along. His bitterness at Nintendo is rivaled only by his devilish cunning and fiendish good looks.
Later in the week he's going to hide some drugs in Hidemaro's van and then call the cops.
Bullshit.
How in the world is forcing people to view weapons as a disposable object, "adapting your play style".
Frankly I find it absolutely laugh this is one of the go to defenses of the system. "Oh you need to adapt your play-style" in a game about unparalleled freedom and choice in what you do...
I also find it laughable defenders of the system keep stooping to insulting people instead of just accepting. God forbid, maybe someone might not like a mechanic for whatever reason. Oh no! We can't be having that! It's obviously because of them, the system can't possibly be considered bad by anyone!
Also, I get so much mileage out of strong weapons. Like, I kept some elemental sword for what felt like forever before they finally broke. It's a mix of usi.g them to weaken an enemy up to a point where you can finish them ooff with weaker weapons or vice-versa. Are people picking super rare/strong weapons and immediately going ham with them?
Screaming Meat
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No.
The more obvious answer makes it generally the correct one. It's simpler due to it being obvious.
If you don't align to this scientific principle, blame William of Ockham
Him giving Zelda the score he thought it deserved is the answer that fulfills the principle best.
Rogue Agent
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I think the Master Sword's primary use is to kill things that have been corrupted by the Calamity, as the game states. It's probably why it becomes more powerful than a mere 30, which still can be good in some cases. I just demolish the ground Guardians with it.
Objectively - nothing is perfect. My opinion is that BOTW is a solid 9.5
No.
The more obvious answer makes it generally the correct one. It's simpler due to it being obvious.
If you don't align to this scientific principle, blame William of Ockham
The simpler, most obvious explanation IS that he thinks the game is a 7/10. Period. Choose the conspiracy theory if you want but stop abusing poor William.
Deckard Chapel
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Knowing Jim Sterling and the way he operates, you don't think it was the bolded of your statement?? Lol
That's the most obvious answer given his history and mentality towards Nintendo in general, so obvious = simple.
The principle itself can be read as either "obvious answer" or "simpler" it means the same thing - whichever answer seems the most believable given the situation and explanation is usually the correct one and Jim Sterling is a raving lunatic that only cares about himself and causing problems, so I would always lean with that as my Occam's razor of the situation
goldenpp72
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Sure sounds like that, perhaps next game they should hold hands a lot more since people enjoy that so much
Majukun
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the problem is not if you don't like the mechanic
the problem is when people can't recongnize what would happen if it wasn't in the game.
i mean jim says that it doesn't feel satisfying to get a good weapon because it has limited uses, but what would happen if you make by chance a trip into an advanced proof of strenght and exit the shrines with a 60 damage guardian weapon?
from that moment on basically 90% of the weapons of the game are garbage to you..how is that satisfying?
and that's just one of the several things that would fell apart if you get rid of that mechanic.
Deckard Chapel
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Not based on all of the evidence presented as far as him tweeting out those menacing anti-Nintendo/Zelda fans things on Twitter before the review and then coincidentally having a video ready and edited fueling his own fire the very next day. It does seem to me that this was orchestrated by him and his hate for Nintendo just to throw a fly in the ointment.
SolicitorPirate
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Honest question; are you ok? Do you need some time away from the computer to relax?
It's just a review, mate.
Screaming Meat
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Knowing Jim Sterling and the way he operates, you don't think it was the bolded of your statement?? Lol
That's the most obvious answer given his history and mentality towards Nintendo in general, so obvious = simple.
The principle itself can be read as either "obvious answer" or "simpler" it means the same thing - whichever answer seems the most believable given the situation and explanation is usually the correct one and Jim Sterling is a raving lunatic that only cares about himself and causing problems, so I would always lean with that as my Occam's razor of the situation
I'm not sure that's quite how Occam's Razor works. The simplest solution is the least complex one, hence why "he gave it the score he thought it deserved" is the one the razor would lean towards; it has fewer variables, so to speak.
You're not a 'Truther' too, are you?
TC McQueen
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You know, having seen some gameplay of the game, I can see where Jim's coming from. Completing a quest and getting a super cool weapon that'll break absurdly fast can kill the excitement of getting that weapon in the first place, since you know it's A) going to be gone before you know it or B) stuck in your inventory because you're too afraid you'll accidentally waste it on a nothing enemy.
I feel like if there was a thing on the Sheikah Slate that let you sacrifice the common loot weapons you got to boost and restore an existing weapon's durability, the mechanic would be less divisive and Nintendo would've actually gotten that "choice and variety" thing down.
I feel like if there was a thing on the Sheikah Slate that let you sacrifice the common loot weapons you got to boost and restore an existing weapon's durability, the mechanic would be less divisive and Nintendo would've actually gotten that "choice and variety" thing down.
There was a talk at GDC that was discussed on the shutupandsitdown.com podcast last week that discussed how psychologically gamers (and people) react badly to things being taken away from them. It was really interesting,
DrForester
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I have issues with the durability system, but this video makes it's point by showing examples of fights with constantly breaking weapons, by intentionally the weakest, lowest level weapons in the games.
Lanrutcon
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If you don't like his opinion of the game then go stand with the crowd and get your free t-shirt, but the conspiracy crap is unnecessary.
well, you can take a picture of the weapon and track it on the overworld
it even says on what regions do they spawn and everything
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