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[Ms.Galaxy]

So this is after twilight princess, yeah?

We don't know because the first memory, the ceremony one, contradicts itself and other cutscenes. The game references and mentions the Hero of Time and the OoT sages, which means the events of Twilight Princess and Four Swords Adventures couldn't have happened and it takes in the Downfall Timeline. There's also a mention of a royal tradition of naming the princess "Zelda", which was a tradition after a prince placed a sleeping curse on Zelda I (Not to be confused with the first Zelda from Skyward Sword, this Zelda was cursed in a time where the complete Triforce was in the hands of the Royal Family, which is known to be after Link to the Past.)

That said, Zelda said something about the embers of Twilight in her speech after she referenced the events of Ocarina of Time, which is a massive contradiction because no one in the Child Timeline remembers the events of Ocarina of Time, nor do the sages ever get awaken and the ancient nameless ones remained.

In short, everything else lines up to believe it's 10,000+ years after Zelda II, but that one line about the embers of Twilight is making it a bit messy.

Edit: There is something else I want to point out. It probably means nothing, but religion wise, it fits that BotW takes place in Downfall. In the Adult Timeline, most of Hyrule's mythos and past was wiped out and by the time Spirit Track happens, the society of New Hyrule is pretty much atheistic. In the Child Timeline, the people still worship the Three Golden Goddesses. And in the Downfall Timeline, starting around ALttP to Zelda 2, people practiced a one deity religion which was seen as Christianity at the time, but we can retcon this to a Religion of Hylia, as the wedding ceremony performed in BotW followed the traditions of a typical Christian Wedding.

 

[watershed]

To me the twilight reference, at most, suggests that Hylians now long dead knew of the Twilight Realm at some point or it's just the devs throwing in a reference to Twilight Princess for fans.

 

[ZenTzen]

We don't know because the first memory, the ceremony one, contradicts itself and other cutscenes. The game references and mentions the Hero of Time and the OoT sages, which means the events of Twilight Princess and Four Swords Adventures couldn't have happened and it takes in the Downfall Timeline. That said, Zelda said something about the embers of Twilight in her speech after she referenced the events of Ocarina of Time, which is a massive contradiction because no one in the Child Timeline remembers the events of Ocarina of Time, nor do the sages ever get awaken and the ancient nameless ones remained.

In short, everything else lines up to believe it's 10,000+ years after Zelda II, but that one line about the embers of Twilight is making it a bit messy.

People say this but people seem to forget that its because of OoT Link in the child timeline and his actions that prevents ganons coup and rise to power, it isnt that farfetched to think that he told all about what happened in his adventure to zelda and the king, and they believed him, seeing as he still has his piece of the triforce in the ending, also leading to the royal family considering him a hero, which we can assume is what zelda refers to in botw memory, with the whole "adrift" in time part of the speech.

And the whole point on certain characters not becoming sages in the child timeline is also a bit flawed since sages, even some being extremely long lived, arent immortal, and as the previous ones died from old age or whatever, could lead to the OoT sages assuming the roles they played in the adult/fallen timelines again, since the title of sage seems more of a magically chosen, than something hereditary or chosen by committee

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

People say this but people seem to forget that its because of OoT Link in the child timeline and his actions that prevents ganons coup and rise to power, it isnt that farfetched to think that he told all about what happened in his adventure to zelda and the king, and they believed him, seeing as he still has his piece of the triforce in the ending, also leading to the royal family considering him a hero, which we can assume is what zelda refers to in botw memory, with the whole "adrift" in time part of the speech.

And the whole point on certain characters not becoming sages in the child timeline is also a bit flawed since sages arent immortal and as the previous ones died from old age or whatever, could lead to the OoT sages assuming the roles they played in the adult/fallen timelines again, since the title of sage seems more of a magically chosen, than something hereditary or chosen by committee

But the sages of Twilight Princess are not the same sages, they are the Ancient Sages that existed long before Ocarina of Time happened.

And as I pointed out before, according to Hyrule Historia, the Hero's Shade lives with the regret that no one remembers him as a hero, and it's one of the reasons he exists. If the Legend of the Hero of Time was told in the Child Timeline, then he wouldn't be in Twilight Princess. He was scrubbed off from history.

 

[Haganeren]

the Hero's Shade lives with the regret that no one remembers him as a hero, and it's one of the reasons he exists.

... What ?
Now that's a narcisistic shadow... I mean if Hyrule is fine why does he cares ? Especially as a child ! I swear Twilight Princess will always be the entry which have the less sense of all Zelda in the chronology ah ah. And yes, at the end of OOT he meet Zelda as a child and since Ganondorf didn't take over the whole kingdom, it's sure it somewhat worked on his favor.

 

[Crossing Eden]

... What ?
Now that's a narcisistic shadow... I mean if Hyrule is fine why does he cares ? Especially as a child ! I swear Twilight Princess will always be the entry which have the less sense of all Zelda in the chronology ah ah. And yes, at the end of OOT he meet Zelda as a child and since Ganondorf didn't take over the whole kingdom, it's sure it somewhat worked on his favor.

That dude had it wrong, he was trapped because he never had an apprentice to teach all his sword moves too, not because he wasn't remembered as the hero lol

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

That dude had it wrong, he was trapped because he never had an apprentice to teach all his sword moves too, not because he wasn't remembered as the hero lol

Word of God, not my own words.

 

[ZenTzen]

But the sages of Twilight Princess are not the same sages, they are the Ancient Sages that existed long before Ocarina of Time happened.

And as I pointed out before, according to Hyrule Historia, the Hero's Shade lives with the regret that no one remembers him as a hero, and it's one of the reasons he exists. If the Legend of the Hero of Time was told in the Child Timeline, then he wouldn't be in Twilight Princess. He was scrubbed off from history.

Didnt say they were the same, what i said was that they could have just replaced them over the years

On the shade, that whole thing on him regretting that no one remembers him as a hero is kinda stupid, his other regret of being unable to pass his skills is more fitting, either way, maybe only the royal family knows about it, and simply didnt tell the rest of hyrule

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Didnt say they were the same, what i said was that they could have just replaced them over the years

On the shade, that whole thing on him regretting that no one remembers him as a hero is kinda stupid, his other regret of being unable to pass his skills is more fitting, either way, maybe only the royal family knows about it, and simply didnt tell the rest of hyrule

Those sages were there during Ganon's execution, which highly likely took place a few years after Link returned to the past, they also appeared hundreds of years later during the events of Twilight Princess. They are still the same ancient sages.

What the hell did they change that recently?

It's right there in Hyrule Historia, which was meant to expand the lore of the series. So that's been there since 2011

 

[Crossing Eden]

Word of God, not my own words.

What the hell did they change that recently?

 

[Astral Dog]

People say this but people seem to forget that its because of OoT Link in the child timeline and his actions that prevents ganons coup and rise to power, it isnt that farfetched to think that he told all about what happened in his adventure to zelda and the king, and they believed him, seeing as he still has his piece of the triforce in the ending, also leading to the royal family considering him a hero, which we can assume is what zelda refers to in botw memory, with the whole "adrift" in time part of the speech.

And the whole point on certain characters not becoming sages in the child timeline is also a bit flawed since sages, even some being extremely long lived, arent immortal, and as the previous ones died from old age or whatever, could lead to the OoT sages assuming the roles they played in the adult/fallen timelines again, since the title of sage seems more of a magically chosen, than something hereditary or chosen by committee

Thinking more about this,honest question,does it really matter if its in one timeline or the other?

The only thing we can say for sure is that Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword happened thousands of years ago,as there are pretty heave references to them.

The reason i don't see the child timeline happening is that Calamity Ganon would not be the same Ganondorf that was sealed at the end of Ocarina of Time,we can't even know if its the same Ganondorf sealed at the end of Four Sword Adventures,it would be,a "random" Ganon more or less and that would be very weird.

Edit: also i think the reason the OoT sages and not the ancient sages for example became famous,is that they were the very first ones to seal Ganon away,after seven years of terror. Without hero that would make them pretty famous don't you think

 

[Lights and Waves]

What the hell did they change that recently?

I also interpret it as the royal family knowing he was a hero, just not anyone else. Given the armor he wears when you meet him, I assume he becomes a knight at some point. So one could assume that the royal family knew he was qualified.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

I also interpret it as the royal family knowing he was a hero, just not anyone else. Given the armor he wears when you meet him, I assume he becomes a knight at some point. So one could assume that the royal family knew he was qualified.

Is that armor connected to the Royal Family? Because it doesn't look like any armor a Knight of Hyrule would use, and I didn't see anything in Hyrule, nor Hyrule Castle, that matches that style of armor.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I'm kind of interested by Urbosa's line about how it's written that Ganon once "adopted the form of a Gerudo," and how the compendium for Dark Beast Ganon says that it's considered to be his original form, even if he's been so consumed by Malice that he's lost awareness.

I know that Ganon is supposed to be an incarnation of Demise's hate, but it sort of implies that "Ganon" existed as such before being born as Ganondorf, and that his human form is just an avatar that he willfully chose to use to enter the world. Which would almost imply that Ganondorf, as a person, isn't even aware of what he truly is, like how Zelda in Skyward Sword has no idea for a long time that she's the reborn Hylia... speaking of which, the fact that Hylia talks to you in this game actually struck me as weird given that she was reincarnated as the first Zelda in Skyward Sword. I guess when she eventually died she reattained her divinity, but it would be weird if her Zelda identity and personality was just lost forever.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

I'm kind of interested by Urbosa's line about how it's written that Ganon once "adopted the form of a Gerudo," and how the compendium for Dark Beast Ganon says that it's considered to be his original form, even if he's been so consumed by Malice that he's lost awareness.

I know that Ganon is supposed to be an incarnation of Demise's hate, but it sort of implies that "Ganon" existed as such before being born as Ganondorf, and that his human form is just an avatar that he willfully chose to use to enter the world. Which would almost imply that Ganondorf, as a person, isn't even aware of what he truly is, like how Zelda in Skyward Sword has no idea for a long time that she's the reborn Hylia... speaking of which, the fact that Hylia talks to you in this game actually struck me as weird given that she was reincarnated as the first Zelda in Skyward Sword. I guess when she eventually died she reattained her divinity, but it would be weird if her Zelda identity and personality was just lost forever.

Maybe Urbosa doesnt know about Demise so she just calls it Ganon. the Gerudo was Ganondorf after all

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I'm kind of interested by Urbosa's line about how it's written that Ganon once "adopted the form of a Gerudo," and how the compendium for Dark Beast Ganon says that it's considered to be his original form, even if he's been so consumed by Malice that he's lost awareness.

That's another reason I think it's the Downfall timeline. Most people would remember Ganon as this

or this

Since he was a pig-monster for what would at that point be 99% of his existence. If this is 10,000+ years in the future he was only a Gerudo for a very, very small fraction of time despite it being his original form.

 

[nubbe]

Facts don't survive for 10,000's of years.
Not even legends or fragments of truth could survive for such a long time.
There would also be conspiracy theories that are usually more entertaining and more accepted by the peasants.

 

[Chase17]

Finished the game today after getting all the memories. Liked the story well enough. Thought the structure of how it's told to be pretty good for this game. Was fun to try and figure out where all the spots where based on landmarks. Was disappointed with the credits after Skyward Sword had such good ones (mostly music I guess lol). No equivalent to the look around the places you've been after defeating the big boss like other games either
The Rito village music is amazing though.

 

[Exodust]

In spite of some of the voice acting falling flat, and Ganon not having more of a role than big evil thing(which I honestly didn't mind, but would have liked better realized) I did like the story here. I feel like it basically being a sequel to an unreleased Zelda game where you failed is a cool idea. And I enjoyed the memory system for what it was.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

the fact that Hylia talks to you in this game actually struck me as weird given that she was reincarnated as the first Zelda in Skyward Sword. I guess when she eventually died she reattained her divinity, but it would be weird if her Zelda identity and personality was just lost forever.

Miseed this and yeah, its weird as fuck but also what the fuck is the thing that changes your hearts to stamina and viceversa, it says it was trapped by the goddess hylia , I dont think the devs give a fuck anymore

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Miseed this and yeah, its weird as fuck but also what the fuck is the thing that changes your hearts to stamina and viceversa, it says it was trapped by the goddess hylia , I dont think the devs give a fuck anymore

Likely Hylia's evil sister, Lolia. (I just made that up, just a play of the whole Hyrule, Lorule thing)

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Miseed this and yeah, its weird as fuck but also what the fuck is the thing that changes your hearts to stamina and viceversa, it says it was trapped by the goddess hylia , I dont think the devs give a fuck anymore

Maybe it was this dude

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Maybe it was this dude

I don't think it's the Mad Batter. I just think it's a random demon that Hylia sealed up thousands of years ago before Skyward Sword.

 

[whyamihere]

Just beat it. What's a ride.

Going to ponder the cutscenes again for timeline thoughts (slash read a ton of articles), but my gut says it's Downfall, just waaaaaay in the future, past AoL.

Also interesting that Zelda says Demise/Ganon won't be resurrected any longer. I guess that's the end of the Downfall timeline.

I also just got to the Forgotten Temple, which seems to be the Skyward Temple of Hylia?

Also, I'm behind on my mythos -- did Hylia great Din, Naryu and Faroe or the other way around?

 

[RagnarokX]

 

[Human Trashcan]

Thinking more about this,honest question,does it really matter if its in one timeline or the other?

It really doesn't, that's why it's set so far in the future. If the devs had intended for it to be clearly in one timeline or the other, they would've put some stuff in there to suggest that. People are applying Souls-level of forensics to this game looking for clues, but the problem is Nintendo isn't a tenth as meticulous when it comes to detailed world-building as FromSoft. They just don't care about this timeline shit nearly as much as fans do, but people seem to have a very hard time accepting that.

 

[JoeM86]

Is there any way to max out stamina if you have maxed out hearts? Or is this truly a one or the other situation?

 

[nubbe]

This is how they decide on lore in Zelda games
https://youtu.be/qApEgUxp58k?t=3m29s

 

[BY2K]

Gotta say I lost my shit when I heard the sound the Master Sword made to get Zelda's attention and Fi's theme started playing.

 

[PrimeBeef]

That's another reason I think it's the Downfall timeline. Most people would remember Ganon as this

or this

I think being 10,000 years since the last time Ganon was seen, and everything concerning him, Zelda, Link and the Triforce is considered legend or a myth, no one would remember what he was let alone what he looked like.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

But the sages of Twilight Princess are not the same sages, they are the Ancient Sages that existed long before Ocarina of Time happened.

Not true. The Ancient Sages, barring Rauru, are long gone by the time of Ocarina of Time. That's why Link has to go clearing the Temples so that the call from the Sacred Realm can wake up the new ones. The Sages in Twilight Princess' backstory feature after Ocarina of Time (literally a few years after Ocarina of Time concludes). They're not the Ancient Sages. They are the same Sages as in Ocarina of Time.

We know the ethereal ghost men aren't literal depictions of what they once were because we know what one of the Ancient Sages actually looked like: Rauru. He's not an ethereal ghost man, he's a short tubby bloke who sometimes turns into an owl.

 

[MrPanic]

You can cheat the Master Sword recharge by going to Hyrule Castle and then getting out. At least I think how it worked.

I don't think that how it works. By my own surprise yesterday I managed to break the Master Sword on a guardian inside Hyrule Castle while it was in its 60 damage mode. I think it just becomes super durable but not unbreakable.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

I don't think that how it works. By my own surprise yesterday I managed to break the Master Sword on a guardian inside Hyrule Castle while it was in its 60 damage mode. I think it just becomes super durable but not unbreakable.

yep, I did the same thing on one of those high health turret guardians. I was super annoyed. Triggering the ganon fight resets the master sword...but that you know ends the game.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Is that armor connected to the Royal Family? Because it doesn't look like any armor a Knight of Hyrule would use, and I didn't see anything in Hyrule, nor Hyrule Castle, that matches that style of armor.

Well we don't know what happens to Link between the time he returns to Hyrule from Termina and the time that he passes away. The armor has an owl motif like Kaepora Gaebora (sp?).

I also just got to the Forgotten Temple, which seems to be the Skyward Temple of Hylia?

Also, I'm behind on my mythos -- did Hylia great Din, Naryu and Faroe or the other way around?

I thought it was, but someone said that the Skyward Temple becomes the Temple of Time in OoT. The three goddesses created Hylia to protect the Triforce.

The Sages in Twilight Princess' backstory feature after Ocarina of Time (literally a few years after Ocarina of Time concludes). They're not the Ancient Sages. They are the same Sages as in Ocarina of Time.

You need to stop with these alternative facts. I'm going to keep calling you out on them. This isn't true. The game confirms this isn't true. The sages refer to themselves as the ancient sages. Stoooooooooooop!

 

[SkywardBeam]

I'm kind of interested by Urbosa's line about how it's written that Ganon once "adopted the form of a Gerudo," and how the compendium for Dark Beast Ganon says that it's considered to be his original form, even if he's been so consumed by Malice that he's lost awareness.

No offense, but could it be that the English version of the game is just very badly translated? Or that the Treehouse team was given a large amount of creative freedom?
Because in the German version, Urbosa clearly says: "Die Verheerung Ganon... Es gibt Geschichten, die sagen, Ganon sei ursprünglich ein Gerudo gewesen." (translation = Calamity Ganon... There are stories that claim he has originally been a Gerudo)
So here, Ganon clearly originated from Ganondorf.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

You need to stop with these alternative facts. I'm going to keep calling you out on them. This isn't true. The game confirms this isn't true. The sages refer to themselves as the ancient sages. Stoooooooooooop!

They don't, though. You said this last time and it just isn't true.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Has someone made a remix of the Metroid other m "remember me?" GIF but with Zeldas face under the mask?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Has someone made a remix of the Metroid other m "remember me?" GIF but with Zeldas face under the mask?

Zelda's "Tell me Link, do you truly remember me?" Actually gave me a nice grin.

 

[jacksepticeye]

Just finished it last night. Final boss is kind of lame, even managed to beat it going in with 3 hearts and no healing items just by waiting out my cooldowns.
I also miss the melodramatic Ganon character instead of it being just a monster but that's personal preference.

Overall, outstanding game. Literally couldn't stop playing it

 

[Gai Murakumo]

Zelda's "Tell me Link, do you truly remember me?" Actually gave me a nice grin.

It also could lead to some funny ending when you think about it.

Zelda: "Link do you truly remember me?
Link: "Nah bitch, see ya!" and he goes to live with Paya.

Not saying that the ending is a bit touching, but you can interpret what Link could say there

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Aren't the gerudo extinct in TP?

 

[doop_]

Just finished it last night. Final boss is kind of lame, even managed to beat it going in with 3 hearts and no healing items just by waiting out my cooldowns.
I also miss the melodramatic Ganon character instead of it being just a monster but that's personal preference.

Overall, outstanding game. Literally couldn't stop playing it

I was hoping that you would play it on your channel, was there a reason you didn't ?

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Aren't the gerudo extinct in TP?

Telma and the fortune teller might be Gerudo. Even so, in Four Swords Adventures, which takes place after Twilight Princess, the Gerudos exist.

Well we don't know what happens to Link between the time he returns to Hyrule from Termina and the time that he passes away. The armor has an owl motif like Kaepora Gaebora (sp?).

I always thought that armor looked more tribal than regal, so I always assumed that Link came across that armor during his adventures outside of Hyrule. In fact, when I first saw it, I thought it looked more Ikanain or Rito-ish than anything.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Just beat the game. I enjoyed the story, but that final boss and ending were kinda flaccid, just felt like it kinda just ended and that was it.
Also I'm confused as to why Zelda is still young, I thought for sure that when you got to Ganon you'd find out that Zelda was also a spirit now.
While it was cool to have a change for the series I really hope the next 3D game has an actual villain, the opposing force just being a mindless force of malice didn't really do it for me.

 

[jacksepticeye]

I was hoping that you would play it on your channel, was there a reason you didn't ?

Unsure about Ninty's policy on footage but also I kind of wanted a game like that to just lose myself in privately instead of making a series on it. Same with horizon, where I finished it first

 

[Astral Dog]

I wonder if Ganon ever used saa vaq and voe and vai words

 

[Astral Dog]

Aren't the gerudo extinct in TP?

there were some that escaped and took over the dessert later,while some that folliwed Ganondorf were executed

 

[Kinsei]

I wonder if Ganon ever used saa vaq and voe and vai words

I too wonder if Ganondorf speaks his native language. Of course he has.

 

[Astral Dog]

I too wonder if Ganondorf speaks his native language. Of course he has.

Sounds funny

 

[doop_]

Unsure about Ninty's policy on footage but also I kind of wanted a game like that to just lose myself in privately instead of making a series on it. Same with horizon, where I finished it first

That's cool, the game is pretty immersive so i can understand people wanting to play it privately.