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One Piece Manga |OT2| Four Emperors, One King, All Blue

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Veelk

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Ahhh, actually, that's a brain fart on my part. I totally forgot how the transfer of power between fruits works.

Theoretically he could do that, but that's assuming Bege knows about that in the first place. The Straw Hats don't know, do they? I imagine the only people who know that detail are Vegapunk and Caesar, maybe some government officials and/or high tier pirates.

We know it, but does Bege know it?

I feel that it doesn't make much sense for it to not be common knowledge, atleast among people on the grand line where Devil Fruits are pretty common among people whose profession involves danger of death all the time. I mean, it's not shown, but people die all the time off panel. And normal fruits are fairly commonplace, since their importance was directly stated in order to prevent scurvy back at the start of OP.

So, whenever a devil fruit user died, either a fruit that bestowed those same powers or at least someone with those same powers would shortly show up in the vicinity atleast somewhat often. Enough to establish a pattern that when devil fruit users die, their powers in some way resurface in that area. Without even being scientific about it, it's just something people would notice.

Someone who has a penchant for killing and fine food like Bege does, he'd probably be one of the more likely to notice that a devil fruit suddenly showed up in his cargo hold when he Sonny'd some poor dude.

? we know that after death it goes into a fruit but there been no confirmation in the manga that it goes into the nearest fruit. Any source on that? best confirm that before getting drawn into another Veelk spin

I don't think Caesar's experiments would have been possible if it went into any random fruit in the world. The reason Caesar was okay with killing off his smiley is because he knew he wouldn't risk losing the fruit he imbued him with once he did.
 

Blackhead

Redarse
Ahhh, actually, that's a brain fart on my part. I totally forgot how the transfer of power between fruits works.

Theoretically he could do that, but that's assuming Bege knows about that in the first place. The Straw Hats don't know, do they? I imagine the only people who know that detail are Vegapunk and Caesar, maybe some government officials and/or high tier pirates.

We know it, but does Bege know it?

? we know that after death it goes into a fruit but there been no confirmation in the manga that it goes into the nearest fruit. Any source on that? best confirm that before getting drawn into another Veelk spin
 
? we know that after death it goes into a fruit but there been no confirmation in the manga that it goes into the nearest fruit. Any source on that? best confirm that before getting drawn into another Veelk spin
It picked a random apple in the bucket. I have to imagine some luck comes into play, besides that I don't think that's every something the higher ups in the government would want to be known. Nor is it information a pirate in the know would spread. Same way we don't know for sure what Blackbeard did to whitebeard
 

Blackhead

Redarse
It picked a random apple in the bucket. I have to imagine some luck comes into play, besides that I don't think that's every something the higher ups in the government would want to be known. Nor is it information a pirate in the know would spread. Same way we don't know for sure what Blackbeard did to whitebeard

well Ceasar Clown Gangster Gastino knows so I guess Bege should know. But again it's unclear if it's the nearest fruit or a particular type of fruit per power from a random selecrion. And there's no indication that any of these gangsters would know what the original mirror mirror fruit type is
 

Geg

Member
The fact that we now know their plan means it will almost certainly go wrong.

I wonder how the Tamate box will play into all this. Will she open it before the kiss is supposed to happen and then that ruins the whole thing?
 

Veelk

Banned
well Ceasar Clown Gangster Gastino knows so I guess Bege should know. But again it's unclear if it's the nearest fruit or a particular type of fruit per power from a random selecrion. And there's no indication that any of these gangsters would know what the original mirror mirror fruit type is

I think it has to be a nearby fruit because that's the only way it's actually testable.

I mean, think about it. If it goes into whatever fruit is nearby, then that's simple to prove. All you need is a handful of summary executions next to a fruit stand to confirm it.

But if it's truly random, there's no telling where the fruits gone. How are Vegapunk or Caesar supposed to be able to confirm their hypothesis? If they killed a user and his fruit respawned, lets say, on the other side of the planet or just in a location where nobody would find it for years, how would they be able to tell that a fruit wasn't gone forever or that it was taking a long time to respawn? There's no way for them to check and account for them. They would just lose countless fruits and have no idea what happened to them.

All they would be able to confirm is that some fruit came back sometimes, but would not be able to label it a general rule for how all DF's work because there would be plenty of fruits that were, as far as they knew, completely gone. So, if they can with any assuredness confirm that DF's respawn at all, then the only way they could know that is if the fruits spawned nearby enough to be able to prove that.
 
I wouldn't imagine somebody becoming adept with with a new DF power within less than 3 hours. Well, except Sabo lol.

Good chapter. More set up, but it looks like the plan is going to start now, and will inevitably go wrong.

Pudding has her priorities straight, it seems haha.
 

Kreed

Member
One Piece 859:

Pretty obvious this plan isn't going to work/Oda's not going to have Big Mom get taken out in such a "simple" way. And there's so many ways for this plan to fail in regards to the Straw Hats escaping:

1) Bobbin warning someone
2) Luffy
3) Someone in the crowd being immune to Big Mom's screams
4) Betrayal by Caesar Clown/Bege
5) Brulee escaping/something going wrong with the mirrors
6) Big Mom not reacting to the picture being ripped
7) Pekoms showing up
8) Luffy

If things don't end up with Luffy trying to fight Big Mom head on, I feel like it's going to be the bomb gift that ends up saving all of them when this plan fails (the Straw Hats/Bege barely escape, Big Mom attempts to go after them but she opens her gift first and it blows up/the fall out gives them time to get out of there).
 

Ray Down

Banned
Caught that too. Maybe it's actually the real big mom and her "soul" is in Mama

Maybe that's why she cries in agony? Idk spitballing

It may be due to BM thinking she's dead, though I assume Pudding edit things a bit.
I know Greg been on about Pudding powers having to mass manipulate in the past and this may be it rather than editing thing about due to Lola.

We're headed for the classic guys.

Great chapter, and my take is that Caesar will fuck up somehow

Oh the wedding can easily be fuck before that.
 
Calling it right now:

The picture plan fails, all seems lost, but then Luffy bursts out of the wedding cake (his entrance) which is what actually sets off Big Mom.
 

Lunar15

Member
That fucking bomb gift.

Also, they ain't gonna assassinate Big Mom. There's just no way. They'll either achieve their goals without killing her or there's going to be a massive face-turn by Big Mom.
 

Doc Holliday

SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Luffy going along with this plan sounds extremely out of character. I was expecting luffy to say "Nope, I'm fighting Big Mama face to face"

Assassination seems really weird for the Luffy crew.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
Yeah this plan is definitely going to fail. Luffy doesn't do plans.

Bring on the wedding!
 

NSESN

Member
I already said, Pudding will hesitate and won't shoot Sanji. Luffy will probably bust the party anyway because he doesn't follow plan, then the cake will be ruined and the FI gift will explode. It will be total chaos.
 

FreeMufasa

Junior Member
Last episode I watched was when they left the fishman island and got to the rough part of the grand line. Can someone bullet point what's happened since?
 

MiTYH

Member
If I've learned anything from movies/TV, it's that if we as the audience hear the whole plan, it means it won't work. It's only when we get the "here's the plan" then scene cut that the plan works (or almost works).

Thoughts on how Luffy's gonna mess things up:

- Tamatebako explodes and he thinks it's the gunshot
- He can't hear the gunshot due to the earplugs
- Luffy reacts to someone else's gunshot, starting it early

I don't like any of those, since I tihnk we'll see the wedding "kiss/gunshot" from Pudding, so knowing Oda it'll be something completely unthinkable.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Luffy teaming up with some human scum to take on a Yonkou.

He is learning from Blackbeard how to handle things in the New World - Good.
 

Kreed

Member
Last episode I watched was when they left the fishman island and got to the rough part of the grand line. Can someone bullet point what's happened since?

Without spoilers?

-Punk Hazard Arc (45 chapters)
-Dressarosa Arc (101 chapters)
-Zoa Arc (20 chapters)
-Totto Land Arc (36 chapters so far) (current)
 

Veelk

Banned
You're all wrong, Oda's going to do the wildest, most unpredictable thing imaginable: have the plan go off without a hitch.
 
You're all wrong, Oda's going to do the wildest, most unpredictable thing imaginable: have the plan go off without a hitch.

I'd freak out if that actually happened.

There's no way Big Mom's getting taken out though. After Oda just introduced the whole Mama Caramel character we have to see more of her history before she's beaten. It's the cardinal One Piece rule.
 

Nibel

Member
This party will be utter chaos.
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shintoki

sparkle this bitch
You're all wrong, Oda's going to do the wildest, most unpredictable thing imaginable: have the plan go off without a hitch.

That would be so.... unpredictable, but sadly it would contradict everything this series does.

Big Mom is getting taken down for sure, all the cards are there. There are or will be enough forces against her between the crews and such. But it's going be a mess of an arc, where the plan is botched, much running around, Big mom and her forces fight back, but there are a bunch on Luffy's team to wear her down in the panic.

One of the emperors need to go. 7 years since Marinefold. It's time for another major world shake up and power void that needs to be filled.
 

smurfx

get some go again
Pudding: Owner of cafe "Caramel" Owner

There's now a character named Mother Caramel...
bonney is going to be mother caramel! she has a similar motif as big mom but it could be that big mom took that motif from mother caramel. of course that means bonney would be really old and when she left she turned herself young so nobody would know who she is. i really hope luffy's entrance is going to be taking a gigantic bite out of the wedding cake and pretty much ruining all the plans.
 

Anteater

Member
yeah Big Mom will go down or at least something major is going to happen, since I can't see Oda doing another arc focusing on her again, it'd be redundant, question is what's going to happen to the vinsmokes and capone gang after the arc

also I think pudding is going to become a very important character, she could potentially read the poneglyphs so if big mom gets taken out, everyone will be after her (if they know about her ability), else everyone will be after Robin, but unless Oda wants to do another arc on her I can't see that happening
 

smurfx

get some go again
yeah Big Mom will go down or at least something major is going to happen, since I can't see Oda doing another arc focusing on her again, it'd be redundant, question is what's going to happen to the vinsmokes and capone gang after the arc

also I think pudding is going to become a very important character, she could potentially read the poneglyphs so if big mom gets taken out, everyone will be after her (if they know about her ability).
well blackbeard does need a second female to match luffy and she would be perfect. i think big mom is going to take heavy losses and might even be severely injured and will later on get taken out by either blackbeard or the unseen admiral. they always make a big splash when introduced and the biggest might be taking out an emperor.
 

Ray Down

Banned
well blackbeard does need a second female to match luffy and she would be perfect. i think big mom is going to take heavy losses and might even be severely injured and will later on get taken out by either blackbeard of the unseen admiral. they always make a big splash when introduced and the biggest might be taking out an emperor.
Blackbeard crew is filled up already.
 

Ray Down

Banned
he's not going to be the pirate king without the ability to read the poneglyphs though

and you're just scared his crew will grow because that means the strawhats will need to recruit carrot

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No they would just to find someone worthy.

Who says BB doesn't have a way to get to Raftel already.
 
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