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So Breath of the Wild is probably going to be a template for next decade of 3D Zeldas
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OriginalPoe
Banned
Does listing an item that ISN'T in BOTW count as a spoiler?
If so, then fine, here...
If so, then fine, here...
I want a hookshot in the next 3D Zelda!
Nice. The towers could be like vertical dungeons, with their own puzzles and enemies. Climbing them is not very exciting.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
On a side note:
Whatever DLC comes to this might point to the potential of the next Zelda and how they can iterate, tweak, and improve the formula. I'm excited for that.
Whatever DLC comes to this might point to the potential of the next Zelda and how they can iterate, tweak, and improve the formula. I'm excited for that.
RareFantasy64
Member
I love BOTW but I fear they may have thrown the baby out with the bathwater (it's the Zelda cycle, miss the old thing after not appreciating it enough)
I want to see a marriage of BOTW and classic 3D Zelda; keep the open world and amazing NPC interaction, bring back the concept of having some key tools to get around that world, bring back more thematic dungeons, do something about the weapon breaking idea. Find some sort of middle ground on weapons
I want to see a marriage of BOTW and classic 3D Zelda; keep the open world and amazing NPC interaction, bring back the concept of having some key tools to get around that world, bring back more thematic dungeons, do something about the weapon breaking idea. Find some sort of middle ground on weapons
Spring-Loaded
Member
Bring back the spinner, and make it work like this thing
And have a cat bus you can ride too.
And have a cat bus you can ride too.
decoyplatypus
Member
It would be a shame if Nintendo didn't try to turn out an MM-like sequel w/in 3 years.
Well, to be fair, some of the later ones
do have puzzles and enemies involved in getting to the top.
Ocarina_117
Banned
I don't get the towers being boring complaints.
The tower in hyrule field
And a tower in the east
These are two close to the plateau.
The tower in hyrule field
if done early has you avoiding many guardians.
And a tower in the east
is in a large body of water with a shit ton of lizalfos and electric wizards.
These are two close to the plateau.
Chill Penguin
Member
Only complaint from BotW are the dungeons could be bigger and more complex. Love that about Twilight princess.
Yeah. I honestly thought (hoped) that a flying mount was going to be one of the late game 'game breaking' powers Edge talked about in their review. And I suppose
the Rito gale power
But I want to fly through BotW's Hyrule, mang. Freely, even. It shouldn't be too hard to implement. Just make it an optional DLC thing that unlocks only after you've beaten the game and seen more than 50% (I would say 100% but I'm not planning on getting all the
Korok seeds
I just want more real items. Items you still have to find in the open world, but that will make it easier to reach or accomplish certain locations/tasks. The runes weren't enough for me.
I also want slightly more durability.
And I've only beaten one dungeon so far but it was absolute shit. Almost no enemies and it was really short. Fuck whoever designed that dungeon.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I did those two relatively early and was kind of disappointed at how easy so many of the others were in comparison. Those were challenging and satisfying to climb.
And durability feels a lot better balanced once you have the Master Sword. It basically negates the need for most one handed Melee weapons, but guardian weapons, powerful 2 handed weapons, magic weapons, and a spare 1 handed weapon or two can still be useful. That could be worth factoring in to a BotW inspired sequel.
Perfect list.
This in addition to actual swimming capability with Zora powers would make the perfect Zelda game for me.
me too. Makes sense there's going to be another similar entry to BotW before they flip the script again, but I hope the world is as twisted as MM was.
Well, I understand why they went this route. The holistic rethink means they fixed some things that weren't necessarily broke: both TP and SS had great dungeons, items, bosses. But they were very 'isolated', with items being 'too tied to their dungeon/boss fight' a frequently heard complaint. So ditching that structure in favor of shrines/beasts that utilize the same runes as the rest of the game was a good move.
Still, the old-style dungeons are missed. Perhaps now that the mold is broken, they can be added back as the sort of games-within-games they had already started becoming: with items completely tied to the dungeon that you can't take into the overworld. That way, they could both tailor them even better to the dungeons specifics than even, say, the spinner was, while also giving you cool stuff that would potentially 'break' the overworld but not the dungeon (the ball-and-chain springs to mind as something that could have done that).
Weltall Zero
Member
BotW being the template to follow would be a best case scenario, but on he has to wonder how realistic that is considering the titanic amount of effort that goes into making a game like it. The good news is that they cited physics engine issues as the reasons for the delays, and since that would obviously not need to be touched, further games would take less time and effort to make.
I was thinking about this same thing yesterday, how it would be awesome if they released a Majora's Mask to this Ocarina of Time: a quirky, different Zelda game built on the solid foundation of BotW.
Also for the love of all that's good, bring back Darknuts.
I was thinking about this same thing yesterday, how it would be awesome if they released a Majora's Mask to this Ocarina of Time: a quirky, different Zelda game built on the solid foundation of BotW.
Also for the love of all that's good, bring back Darknuts.
Mike Double U
Banned
I just started the first temple in BOTW last night so I'm not very far in for having over 50 hours... But I don't see why there can't be both, more unique items and dungeons of old that require said items.
For example, I remember as a kid getting into the 8th dungeon in LoZ before even beating the 1st dungeon before. If Nintendo came up with a clever way of letting you know you were missing an item while not telling you what the said item is was or where you could find it would be pretty amazing.
For example, I remember as a kid getting into the 8th dungeon in LoZ before even beating the 1st dungeon before. If Nintendo came up with a clever way of letting you know you were missing an item while not telling you what the said item is was or where you could find it would be pretty amazing.
SatoAilDarko
Member
forknknife
Banned
I know it's probably not possible and maybe makes no sense (I still haven't played through much of the story of the game, even at 50 hours played!) But I would LOOOOOVE if they'd release another game reusing this world but making a prequel out of it about what took place 100 years prior.
For people that finished the game, would that work or be interesting? Or maybe a sequel in the same world?
Just feels like a shame that all they're going to do with this world is a hard mode and a new dungeon. I'd rather not wait another 6 years for another Zelda that is this good.
For people that finished the game, would that work or be interesting? Or maybe a sequel in the same world?
Just feels like a shame that all they're going to do with this world is a hard mode and a new dungeon. I'd rather not wait another 6 years for another Zelda that is this good.
not so sure BotW will be a template like OoT was... BotW was developed with a peculiar philosophy whereas OoT took its progression structure from a previous game and "frontiered" 3D mechanics into it... it was much more of a blank slate to draw upon
i do think open endedness will remain as a zelda staple though. they seemed to have their come to jesus moment realizing the series had lost its way in that regard
either way i don't think nintendo will tackle another "mainline" zelda from scratch in at least half a decade. BotW was their biggest game ever and i doubt they're chomping at the bit to take on something like that again
i do think open endedness will remain as a zelda staple though. they seemed to have their come to jesus moment realizing the series had lost its way in that regard
either way i don't think nintendo will tackle another "mainline" zelda from scratch in at least half a decade. BotW was their biggest game ever and i doubt they're chomping at the bit to take on something like that again
Weltall Zero
Member
That's the thing, I don't think many people would want to go back. I don't think making an Skywards Sword-like Zelda would be a very financially smart move to do, people would see it as a step backwards and just skip it.
2D might be feasible, as ALBW was an amazing experience and different enough to 3D Zeldas that I can see both coexisting peacefully. But again, my love for SNES-like experiences is not indicative of the general public; one has to wonder if it would have been so well received if it being an optimal experience for the technically limited 3DS wasn't a factor. Now that the Switch has set a new ceiling for what a Nintendo portable game means, people might not want to go back to simpler experiences.
BotW being the template to follow would be a best case scenario, but on he has to wonder how realistic that is considering the titanic amount of effort that goes into making a game like it. The good news is that they cited physics engine issues as the reasons for the delays, and since that would obviously not need to be touched, further games would take less time and effort to make.
I was thinking about this same thing yesterday, how it would be awesome if they released a Majora's Mask to this Ocarina of Time: a quirky, different Zelda game built on the solid foundation of BotW.
Also for the love of all that's good, bring back Darknuts.
Yeah. Kinda surprised there's no such enemy. You could even use Magnesis to knock off pieces of their armor.
Ball-and-chain knights could've been awesome: Stasis the spike ball and hit it back at them.
Same here
BOTW feels like less of a Zelda game than Skyward Sword did to me, and that game already strayed too far from traditional Zelda elements IMO.
forknknife
Banned
Yeah. I never played any Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age game ( played fallout 3and new Vegas, which i really liked a lot) and was looking forward to the switch Skyrim port but now I'm afraid it will feel very restrictive and frustrating.
It's definitely a much better received game than SS though.
This is the most prolific Zelda since Ocarina.
It's going to be the template moving forward.
'modern' AAA open world games aren't nintendo's wheelhouse though. going off of skyward sword seems like they were accustomed to developing in a bubble for awhile
not saying BotW was a grueling herculean task or anything but it was probably quite an adjustment.
SmiteOfHand
Member
This thread highlights that what the Switch means hasn't really clicked for some folks. Nintendo is no longer divided in terms of development resources (and publishing resources). There have been 5 Zelda games since Twilight Princess prior to BotW.
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
Skyward Sword
A Link Between Worlds
Tri Force Heroes
However you feel about any, or all, of those games aside. Nintendo's output is now being focused. Sure, they will do more with the BotW engine but also when they start firing on all cylinders for Switch? That 16M units being manufactured starts to make sense.
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
Skyward Sword
A Link Between Worlds
Tri Force Heroes
However you feel about any, or all, of those games aside. Nintendo's output is now being focused. Sure, they will do more with the BotW engine but also when they start firing on all cylinders for Switch? That 16M units being manufactured starts to make sense.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Yeah that's a good idea and way more interesting than just climbing them.
It was an adjustment of allocating more staff. They were not developing in a bubble, they were designing games they thought made sense for the audience they had which was the casual Wii audience at that point of time.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
To me this was the most zelda game since the original
OoT tainted the series to me
after the oracle games it took until between worlds to get the right idea, WW had potential but it being rushed ruined that potential
1. Agree
2. Why not
3. Disagree, end game weapons don't break fast at all
4. No thanks please god NO because when it's a miss it's goddamn miss and too many language to dub! I'm fine with key scenes only.
5. Let go of the hookshot embrace climbing+glider!
SporeCrawler
Member
I hope not. As much as its a great game it really lacks the dungeon aspect
Also towers should have been mini dungeons like shrines
Also towers should have been mini dungeons like shrines
That's doesnt nesseserally mean we will have the same output on the Switch. Games will take longer to make due to a more powerful system.
You can't combine both handheld and console output and say to expect that amount of games on Switch. You can't pump out games on Switch with lower graphics like you did on 3DS.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Sure the end game weapons do but the early weapons just seem far too weak. Just make them a little bit more durable, doesn't have to be a massive amount but early weapons lasting more than 1-2 enemies would be nice.
If the voice acting is better quality, I see no reason why not but even if they drop the voice acting, a better / more in depth story would be nice.
Also, I love the glider but the Hookshot would still be great to have as well. I'm sure it could be put to good use for puzzles and certain situations.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
botw ability spoiler
The wind power broke the hell out of puzzles hookshot would be even worse unless they went back to closed rooms
PSFan
Member
I don't get this at all. BOTW is nothing like the original. If anything OoT is more like the original but in 3D.
Never felt "broken" to me. And the hookshot would really be welcome in BOTW with all this climbing you have to do.
SmiteOfHand
Member
True, also Nintendo is getting more into DLC tying people up in different ways. But if you think we are looking strictly at console output going forward from the past two decades you haven't been paying attention.
I didn't say that. Somewhere just above console output. But definitely not Wii U + 3DS output or Wii + DS output
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
You can bypass a large majority of the dungeon puzzles with it, 2 stam bars plus climber gear 2 star makes climbing over with stupidly fast. You get about 10 jumps. Hookshot is overkill
As for that OoT statement .... ALttP isn't zelda 1
SmiteOfHand
Member
My use of you was poor there. I was using the royal you.
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