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Pokémon Community Thread 4: "Your Portal to What's Hip and Happening in Sinnoh!"

The new movie trailer just aired. The footage so far seems to be a retelling of the first episode, although one big difference is that Ho-oh flies directly over Ash and drops a Rainbow Wing. No official upload yet.
 
I believe they're from this guide:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/191101515X/

Thanks.

The animation in the latest sun and moon episode was insanely good like holy shit

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Slermy

Member
I'm gonna try breeding a defensive Cubone in a previous generation with the intent of bringing it into Moon to evolve into an Aloan Marowak.

I'm trying to decide if I want to try running with Skull Bash or Stealth Rock (currently not on any of my other team members). Thoughts?
The rest of the moves will be: Shadow Bone, Flare Blitz, and Earthquake.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I said animation. not reaction faces. The animation was the some of the best i've seen in the series in that one episode

The faces were still top tier tho
it's the comments that trigger me mostly showing the faces

same thing about "oh Jessie and her VA are finally allowed to be exaggerated!", yeah except they did that in XY and DP back then
 

brinstar

Member
So uh, there's only one other unobtainable event Pokemon this time right? Besides hat Pikachu? Are we gonna be moving on from Gen 7 quicker than usual?
 

Hydrus

Member
Been playing BOTW a ton and I can't stop thinking about how incredible a Pokemon game like it would be. Every area I'm at in the game I start thinking to myself " fuck why aren't there Pokémon roaming around!". My dream is that GF would use the botw engine to make the dream Pokémon everyone wants.
 

Hydrus

Member
I would not be into a Pokemon game like that at all

Why not? Be thrown right into the middle of a huge world with the ability to do whatever you want would be awesome. Take on any gyms in any order, run around the world and make a team of whatever pokemon you want instead of having to make do with what is available early on. GF needs to shake up the series like Nintendo just did with Zelda, and start trying some big new things.
 

Puruzi

Banned
Nah Sun and Moon has the best formula right now. Everything doesn't need to be open world. I like linear and focused games. BOTW does cool things but it would be better if it wasn't open world for me.
 

Chase17

Member
I think it would be really difficult to implement level scaling if the game was as open and non linear as botw.

Right now I'm just excited at the thought/hope of the sun and moon third version in hd lol
 

WPS

Member
I think it would be really difficult to implement level scaling if the game was as open and non linear as botw.

I've thought about this a bit, back when I wanted to try make an open world rom-hack in thrid gen (spoilers - the engine does not support it), though it was going to be closer to Minish-Cap / Link Between Worlds style openish world, with a bit of metroidvania thrown in via the HM system. I had planned for the world map to be an array of gridsquares, rather than the standard town and route layout, and for gym challenges to scale with the amount of badges you'd have.

You would have to make it so there is no punishment for wandering into a place you are not ready to cope with, otherwise you would go somewhere you ought not to, get wiped and lose money / progress. You could make running from wild battles incredibly easy, or give out PokéDolls like candy, and ensure trainers won't show up until you've had a chance to gauge the strength of the area via wild mons, but then what stops someone running into a high level area, save scumming until they can get lucky with a pokéball throw, and bam you have a high level team.

You'd also probably have to lose an overarching villain plot too. Pokémon's boring ass gym and league plot would survive extreme non-linearity, but anything else it currently does wouldn't.

To be honest, the only thing Sun and Moon is missing is more non-linearity. The world design is pretty great, it feels like an actual place and you can get to most of the map eventually, it's just that the story has a tour line for you to follow.

You know what would be amazing open world, though?

Pokémon Snap
 

brinstar

Member
I don't think making Pokemon entirely open world is the solution, too much of Pokemon is based around linear progression: levels, types of encounterable Pokemon, evolution, etc.

They just need to work on making the world less railroaded and make it seem like a place people would actually live in. They did a GREAT job on the towns and building interiors in S/M, but the routes feel ridiculously artificial. Open that shit up and make it more lively.
 
Why not? Be thrown right into the middle of a huge world with the ability to do whatever you want would be awesome. Take on any gyms in any order, run around the world and make a team of whatever pokemon you want instead of having to make do with what is available early on. GF needs to shake up the series like Nintendo just did with Zelda, and start trying some big new things.

That sounds awful.
 

Hydrus

Member
That sounds awful.

So you would rather stick to the ever increasing linear games we've been getting for the past 20 years? Sun and Moon were good games, but with the series finally (Hopefully) being playable on TV, I think their going to have to do some new things. At least make routes bigger with more to explore.
 
Making Pokemon completely open world feels like one of those ideas that people say to themselves would be cool, but don't actually give it much thought on how it would properly work, similarly to a game with all regions or a sustainable MMO. Some people have already brought up issues like level scaling, evolution, encounters, and story.

I haven't played it yet, but BotW is also going back to its roots in a way (the developers have even said this), so jumping to open world isn't as big of step as Pokemon potentially doing so.
 

Puruzi

Banned
I really don't understand why people think open world is gogd for everything. So many people said pokemon in that BOTW thread and its just no. Linear is good. BOTW style open world wouldn't even make any sense with a super traditional jrpg game like Pokemon
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Surprised one of the cute Pokemon already evolved in S/M...

Mallow's Bounsweet
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Well they've been evolving pokemon like that for a while now, just with the color over. Even as far as BW iirc.
 
So I've pretty much decided that I'm gonna give the Sun and Moon anime another go, just one question, does Lillie become more like her game self? In what I watched it bothered me that she was basically a completely different character.
 
So I've pretty much decided that I'm gonna give the Sun and Moon anime another go, just one question, does Lillie become more like her game self? In what I watched it bothered me that she was basically a completely different character.
She isn't there yet but if you don't mind spoilers she
At
least has a Pokémon now
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
They literally haven't. Did you see the evolution? Hasn't been done like this before now.
Like it's genuinely completely different from before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaQqUt0BS0A&t=2s

that's literally how Frogadier evolved into Greninja except longer and without the color filter

it's why people joked at how "painful" Greninja evolution is, because "his tongue was forced out of his mouth oh my god"
 

Puruzi

Banned
???

like I said, the only difference is the time (Bounsweet took her sweet ass time evolving) and the lack of light filtering.

I watched X and Y. I don't see them as that similar. The length is a huge factor, she jumped into the air, the background changed, the no filter etc. To say that "that's literally how Frogadier evolved into Greninja" is a stretch.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I watched X and Y. I don't see them as that similar. The length is a huge factor, she jumped into the air, the background changed, the no filter etc. To say that "that's literally how Frogadier evolved into Greninja" is a stretch.

I consider it the same because the key idea is that they're showing transformation, which was your first post. That's a step up compared to before where they usually just "glow and change" (which even XY did on occasion).
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
Nah Sun and Moon has the best formula right now. Everything doesn't need to be open world. I like linear and focused games. BOTW does cool things but it would be better if it wasn't open world for me.

Sun and Moon formula is terrible, no room of exploration, no complex dungeons, little reason to backtrack and very little challenge as every trainer in Alola for some reason only carry 2 Pokémon even late in the game.

Also they did a open world Pokémon game before with Gen 5 as it was technically possible to explore areas that you weren't suppose to if you traded over a Pokémon that knew HM moves.

For exampe in Black and White you get HM 03 surf after defeating the 6th Gym leader but if trade over a Pokémon that new Surf you can explore areas like Mistralton Cave before you can fight the 5th Gym leader, thus allowing you nab an Axew earlier.

It's also comes with its own risk as you potentially run into high level Pokémon and trainers that your team aren't ready to fight.

Honestly speaking Game Freak need to look at what Nintendo with Breath of the Wild and just let go of the hand holding as they have gotten worse with gen 7 getting bad at point like Poni Island as it never felt like I was in control of where I wanted to go, it was the game dragging me to location to location while stopping me to show off a cut scene.

This is something that they need to fix for "Pokémon Stars" and in future games.
 

Puruzi

Banned
Sun and Moon formula is terrible, no room of exploration, no complex dungeons, little reason to backtrack and very little challenge as every trainer in Alola for some reason only carry 2 Pokémon even late in the game.

Also they did a open world Pokémon game before with Gen 5 as it was technically possible to explore areas that you weren't suppose to if you traded over a Pokémon that knew HM moves.

For exampe in Black and White you get HM 03 surf after defeating the 6th Gym leader but if trade over a Pokémon that new Surf you can explore areas like Mistralton Cave before you can fight the 5th Gym leader, thus allowing you nab an Axew earlier.

It's also comes with its own risk as you potentially run into high level Pokémon and trainers that your team aren't ready to fight.

Honestly speaking Game Freak need to look at what Nintendo with Breath of the Wild and just let go of the hand holding as they have gotten worse with gen 7 getting bad at point like Poni Island as it never felt like I was in control of where I wanted to go, it was the game dragging me to location to location while stopping me to show off a cut scene.

This is something that they need to fix for "Pokémon Stars" and in future games.

All of that is great and all but I don't give a shit about exploration. Sun and Moon are the best pokemon games. Linear games are better than open ones.
 

Sciz

Member
So I've pretty much decided that I'm gonna give the Sun and Moon anime another go, just one question, does Lillie become more like her game self? In what I watched it bothered me that she was basically a completely different character.

Magic 8-ball says maybe.
They dropped a quick reference to Gladion and Lusamine a few episodes back without elaborating on them at all, and similarly, it was mentioned that Lillie used to be okay with touching pokemon, but then something happened to her as a small child that she doesn't remember and she's had her phobia ever since, which screams "traumatic Ultra Beast encounter" to me. Given that this series has been surprisingly good about seemingly innocuous details being remembered and given more importance in a later episode, they're definitely going somewhere with her, it's just a question of how straight an adaptation of the game it'll actually be.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sun and Moon formula is terrible, no room of exploration, no complex dungeons, little reason to backtrack and very little challenge as every trainer in Alola for some reason only carry 2 Pokémon even late in the game.

Also they did a open world Pokémon game before with Gen 5 as it was technically possible to explore areas that you weren't suppose to if you traded over a Pokémon that knew HM moves.

For exampe in Black and White you get HM 03 surf after defeating the 6th Gym leader but if trade over a Pokémon that new Surf you can explore areas like Mistralton Cave before you can fight the 5th Gym leader, thus allowing you nab an Axew earlier.

It's also comes with its own risk as you potentially run into high level Pokémon and trainers that your team aren't ready to fight.

Honestly speaking Game Freak need to look at what Nintendo with Breath of the Wild and just let go of the hand holding as they have gotten worse with gen 7 getting bad at point like Poni Island as it never felt like I was in control of where I wanted to go, it was the game dragging me to location to location while stopping me to show off a cut scene.

This is something that they need to fix for "Pokémon Stars" and in future games.

Yeah I agree with those post, and it's not even hitting on the stuff like those closed off areas that are seemingly wasted on the map (that golf course area for instance).

It's why I'm kinda iffy on the DPPt remake, since they might change the really good exploration aspect of it into a rather linear retread.
 

Wiseblade

Member
I'm actually dreading a Sinnoh remake. Dealing with Mt Coronet last time nearly broke me. Every gen since has drastically toned down the HM requirement to get through the main campaign and I don't think I can go back.
 
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