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Burbeting

Banned
If I were on a scum team do you honestly think they'd have me claim a neutral

I've played scum a few times and we ALWAYS claim vanilla. Hence why I don't trust anyone who claimed on the last page.

Some games have had scum claim their power roles, but modified to fit town role more. That's why your slips towards "blocking someone" seem pretty bad.
 
Everybody that's been in this game has had a role name that corresponds with someone else in the game.

Rats of to Ya wasn't in this game.

Umless ouro is doing something super crazy (and really cool)
The role names would have been decided well before the sign ups finished. No way in hell is making calls based on role names a good idea right now.
 

CCS

Banned
Everybody that's been in this game has had a role name that corresponds with someone else in the game.

Rats of to Ya wasn't in this game.

This isn't correct. Not sure if this is the case for anyone who's flipped, but I'm Barrylocke.

Also, I don't buy WAMD as neutral one bit.
 

*Splinter

Member
Right.

So Fran, what bothers is me is that the scum most definitely have fake claim names, right? And they must have organised at least a little about who scum should pick what.

So why would they choose to use Rats as a doctor claim out of all things? The name doesn't fit, and it was one of the little things that bothered me with Dragonz original claim. But it would fit a neutral survivor more.

But that could also mean that the scum were going to have dragonz claim survivor, and had her do this doctor claim just to veer out a counter claim from the real doctor.
I don't think there are fake claims in Gafia because they aren't needed - names aren't at all indicative of alignment. I assume WAMD is ROTY and just lying about everything else.

Besides, ROTY has been a doc before. Gafia 1 I think?

Anyway, this claim is obviously nonsense, the only concern now is whether or not it was intentionally botched.
 

*Splinter

Member
Everybody that's been in this game has had a role name that corresponds with someone else in the game.

Rats of to Ya wasn't in this game.
FEP claimed Mazre
Fran claimed GreatCharleston(!)
I claimed NeverForever

Why didn't you mention these?

It's an interesting observation, but can't be more than a coincidence
 

Gorlak

Banned
I'm Kawl_USC, ordinary.
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I get legit constructed crab scum slip vibes from Dragonz claim. Splinter and fran both qualify as the counter part.

Dragonz is full of shit. Lynch bomb is possible. I'm in favour of TWE voting her last. I can see a connection between these two. There was this weird town read TWE had on Dragonz and they both never voted together the whole game.

Splinter's claim leaves us with nothing. I can see the case for scum fucking up one claim big time to let the other go unnoticed. We already had a (neutral) joat flipping as well and he lied about his role (but that's what splinter probably often does, so not that big of an argument).

I'm surprised by fep's non-answer, because he casually reversed his read today and doesn't bother to give any explanation:
Reaching. Honestly not even worth responding to, just had me rolling my eyes.

Anyway, my reads now are:

Town:
Gorlak
Kyanrute
Faddy
Burbeting

We've been barking up the wrong tree so often the votes aren't crazy telling but I feel good about what I see there. Much harder for scum since they've literally been under zero pressure. Of course splinter checking Faddy also helps but then not sure if I trust that really. Burb is a very weak read actually. My gut says he is scum but my vote breakdown suggests town. So meh.

I think it's likely bronx was hit by a vig. Really doubtful that sorian sat on a poisoning and i doubt bronx could have been poisoned being ascetic and all.

Vote: Theworthyedge

I don't really have a case here. Gotta shake things up and I don't read you as town. Will definitely think it over but my tentative vote.

Mind you he voted twe, and is backing off now. Closer look required.
 

franconp

Member
I don't believe Dragonz claim at all and I want to vote either she or TWE today. I feel that both of them are scum. Leaning to vote for Dragonz today as she feel a safer choice.

Also, I'm having a difficult week at work so I won't be able to check the game frecuently.
 

*Splinter

Member
I'm Kawl_USC, ordinary.
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I get legit constructed crab scum slip vibes from Dragonz claim. Splinter and fran both qualify as the counter part.

Dragonz is full of shit. Lynch bomb is possible. I'm in favour of TWE voting her last. I can see a connection between these two. There was this weird town read TWE had on Dragonz and they both never voted together the whole game.

Splinter's claim leaves us with nothing. I can see the case for scum fucking up one claim big time to let the other go unnoticed. We already had a (neutral) joat flipping as well and he lied about his role (but that's what splinter probably often does, so not that big of an argument).

I'm surprised by fep's non-answer, because he casually reversed his read today and doesn't bother to give any explanation:


Mind you he voted twe, and is backing off now. Closer look required.
Can you explain the bolded? I don't know what Crab slip you are referring to or what the "counter part" means.

Also I don't think I lied about my role? I just left out info and let people come to the wrong conclusion, and I've already explained the point of that
 

*Splinter

Member
She already changed her claim at that point, why did you feel the need to do this?
Yeah its a weird post. He also makes some excuse about "typing for too long and not refreshing the page", but his previous post has clearly been interrupted?

some many things wrong with neut survivor claim.

you can just out right claim in this situation, say you'll vote with scum, and thats game right there.

4 + 1, they promise to not kill survivor and at best for town its a no lynch.
There is also this one which is over-sure about the number of scum.

I don't know how many scum there are. If there are four as you say, then that leaves 6 town. 6 outnumbers 4.
Also I missed this one before, but WAMD claims neutral and then forgets to count a neutral

thinking_emoji
 

Kawl_USC

Member
She already changed her claim at that point, why did you feel the need to do this?

I hadn't seen it at that point. I refreshed thread and saw the x shot doctor claim and burbs post saying without a counter claim that was reasonable.

This is pretty obviously lylo so there was no way I wasn't going to counter that.

I wish I had read the ridiculous shit that came out past that but fuck me
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Yeah its a weird post. He also makes some excuse about "typing for too long and not refreshing the page", but his previous post has clearly been interrupted?


There is also this one which is over-sure about the number of scum.


Also I missed this one before, but WAMD claims neutral and then forgets to count a neutral

thinking_emoji

If there is 5 scum left this game is already over barring some miracle. 4 scum to start in a game this large would typically have more kills at their disposal than we've seen. It's basic balancing and logic to parse the overwhelming likely number of scum.
 

*Splinter

Member
If there is 5 scum left this game is already over barring some miracle. 4 scum to start in a game this large would typically have more kills at their disposal than we've seen. It's basic balancing and logic to parse the overwhelming likely number of scum.

4 to start is entirely possible. There have been at least 2 poison shots and an extra neutral kill in the game. I agree that 5 is more likely but we had 4 in Danganronpa with less firepower than that.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
4 to start is entirely possible. There have been at least 2 poison shots and an extra neutral kill in the game. I agree that 5 is more likely but we had 4 in Danganronpa with less firepower than that.
Meh, This feels like some kind of cheap "gotcha!" splint which makes me a little uneasy about you. Town won't lynch survivors at this point because it has very likely* no mislynches to spare. No way does survivor claim doc.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
I don't believe Dragonz claim at all and I want to vote either she or TWE today. I feel that both of them are scum. Leaning to vote for Dragonz today as she feel a safer choice.

Also, I'm having a difficult week at work so I won't be able to check the game frecuently.

Dude what

In what world do we vote for anyone beyond dragonz? This isn't even a discussion.

Only thing left to do is make sure we get opinions on those most likely to be targeted, decide on who hammers in case of lynch bomb, and get a move on.
 

*Splinter

Member
Meh, This feels like some kind of cheap "gotcha!" splint which makes me a little uneasy about you. Town won't lynch survivors at this point because it has very likely* no mislynches to spare. No way does survivor claim doc.
Haven't we run these numbers enough times to know this isn't true?

5-1-4 = we are alreadydead.gif
6-1-3 = we can lynch the neutral and remain in mylo

and yes, no survivor claims doc at this point. Don't try to make it look like I'm arguing against that.
 

*Splinter

Member
I think lynch bombs can also target the first voter, so we should choose that as well.

They can probably also be random or whatever but not much we can do about that.
 

franconp

Member
Dude what

In what world do we vote for anyone beyond dragonz? This isn't even a discussion.

Only thing left to do is make sure we get opinions on those most likely to be targeted, decide on who hammers in case of lynch bomb, and get a move on.

In a world where both are scum? I'm om mobile but look how TWE interacted with WAMD. He said she was the only town by gut-feeling and then backtracked to null. Seems scum partners to me.
 

*Splinter

Member
In a world where both are scum? I'm om mobile but look how TWE interacted with WAMD. He said she was the only town by gut-feeling and then backtracked to null. Seems scum partners to me.
Hmm its pretty scummy...

...but not as scummy as shouting "I AM SCUM" over and over for an entire page

I think we will proooobably lynch WAMD today
 

CCS

Banned
WAMD should 100% be today's lynch.

TWE should be tomorrow's unless something surprising happens.

We are probably all going to die.

That concludes the state of the game.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Haven't we run these numbers enough times to know this isn't true?

5-1-4 = we are alreadydead.gif
6-1-3 = we can lynch the neutral and remain in mylo

and yes, no survivor claims doc at this point. Don't try to make it look like I'm arguing against that.

The first situation is the more likely one if there were to actually be a neutral survivor. But it's not game over as scum has to either equal or outnumber non scum to win game. Since there exists game states in which that's possible town can't safely lynch the survivor if you believe the claim as that becomes an auto loss. Sure if it's actually only 3 scum remaining it isn't game, but why risk it. Most likely it just ends in a heist situation. And we all know how garbage that game was.

Yea sorry that wasn't fair I didn't mean to misrepresent your argument.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Hmm its pretty scummy...

...but not as scummy as shouting "I AM SCUM" over and over for an entire page

I think we will proooobably lynch WAMD today

Hmmmmm

I'm just not sure. It's like she's trying to tell us something....

But I just can't quite make it out.

Oh well, it's probably nothing. Guess we should lynch burb instead.
 
Let's put it this way. Assuming there are 4 scum, that leaves 5 town, one neutral left. So you've only got one chance to lynch today, because with a town mislynch, scum will get the final kill tonight. Or, if you lynch me instead, that still puts town back a day. You will still lose if you lynch me.

Or, you could vote for an actual scum read. Then with the night kill tonight, town would have to hit scum 3 days. But at least with me, you'll have the extra vote to go down the list. Eventually you're gonna hit mafia, it's just a matter of time.

My reasoning for siding with town is this. I don't know who scum is. I have no fucking clue. But I know that Burb is confirmed and I know Splinter is semi confirmed. More confirmed with Faddy's flip. It's a better bet for me to go with a sure thing than a what if.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Can you vote yourself Dragonz?

Best to leave Burb out of that lynch. I suggest Kawl as first (or second if WAMD goes first) and TWE as last. Think I want Splinter on the lynch as well, that leaves two more spots. Two of Stan, Fran, fep, CCS and me. Think any two of the others are fine.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Can you explain the bolded? I don't know what Crab slip you are referring to or what the "counter part" means.

Also I don't think I lied about my role? I just left out info and let people come to the wrong conclusion, and I've already explained the point of that

It felt like you lied, but it could be true that you left things open nd everyone went with certain assumptions. Hmpf, doesn't make you more believable though. One more question concerning your targets: Why protect Bronx N3?


And in response to your first question:
In Mini 3 Crab was scumread and close to being lynched, he fabricated a fake claim with one more target than nights were played (just like WAMD did here). He desperately urged his mates in scumchat to grab them townie points by calling this mistake out and CzarTim got 'em all, riding it to victory (obviously wasn't the sole reason, but you get the idea).

I'm wondering if something like this went down here. We got Burb (specifically calling out the term blocked) and can neglect this. Almost at the same time you react with your smiley, you overuse in this game much. Fran calls out N6 first, but I can't tell if you saw that or posted your callout at the same time - hit the respond button right again after the smiley i.e. or sth. like that.

Basically your's and Fran's immediate reaction don't sit well with me because of this trauma in the last game.

Actually that's enough of a reason for me that I want to see fran on the Dragonz lynch as well.
 
Can you vote yourself Dragonz?

Best to leave Burb out of that lynch. I suggest Kawl as first (or second if WAMD goes first) and TWE as last. Think I want Splinter on the lynch as well, that leaves two more spots. Two of Stan, Fran, fep, CCS and me. Think any two of the others are fine.

As if I'd sabotage myself by voting myself. That actively goes against my win con.
 

Gorlak

Banned
So beyond Dragonz neutral survivor bp/doc with too many targets...

We've got Splinter with his Joat claim and whatever Kawl hinted at.

Everyone else claimed ordinary, if I'm not mistaken?
 
Where is everyone


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