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[Penguin]

Mostly reruns, but NBC only channel with anything over 1.0

 

[Busty]

That's pretty standard for headliner shows on Toonami.

Really? I knew Rick & Morty had been crushing it when it was airing originals but I had no idea Adult Swim could pull in those sorts of numbers, especially on a Saturday night.

 

[morningbus]

Really surprised at Flash's numbers. I expected higher based off the buzz from the internet.

Every adult who has living parents or grandparents knows someone who watches NCIS.

Neither my parents or my in-laws watch it. However I cannot verify whether I'm an adult, so this stands for now.

 

[Busty]

Mostly reruns, but NBC only channel with anything over 1.0

So Trial & Error is a hit? Interesting. I love me some John Lithgow.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Does anyone watch Scorpion? Me and the GF recently found it and figure it could kill some time for us.

APB seems okay so far nothing amazing, it's a nice gimmick at least.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Does anyone watch Scorpion? Me and the GF recently found it and figure it could kill some time for us.

APB seems okay so far nothing amazing, it's a nice gimmick at least.

I watched the first season but gave up on it part way into season two.

 

[maxcriden]

Anyone planning to check out Shots Fired?

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shots-fired

Maureen Ryan liked it so I might give it a shot, seems it gets a lot better after the pilot (as is often the case).

 

[vypek]

So Trial & Error is a hit? Interesting. I love me some John Lithgow.

I'm not sure if I want to continue with the show. A lot of the humor just isn't working for me. Or maybe its just the way its being delivered.

Does anyone watch Scorpion? Me and the GF recently found it and figure it could kill some time for us.

APB seems okay so far nothing amazing, it's a nice gimmick at least.

Yeah. I've been watching it. A lot of silly stuff in it and I watched it as something stupid but have come to enjoy it a decent amount.

 

[Cornballer]

Metacritic: Renew/Cancel Odds for TV Shows Still on the Bubble

At this time last year, there were fewer than 40 broadcast shows still on the bubble. This year? Nearly 70. While The CW has given early pickups to nearly every one of its shows, the other four networks have renewed only a select few, leaving the fates of many series up in the air with less than two months to go before the networks make their 2017-18 schedule announcements.

To determine which of those shows look safe, and which are in danger of cancellation, we have surveyed a variety of experts. Below, browse the resulting renew/cancel odds for over 60 scripted shows still on the bubble (listed in alphabetical order).

Unfortunately, it's a slide show, but they are thorough with the list of network shows here.

 

[mm04]

Yeah. I've been watching it. A lot of silly stuff in it and I watched it as something stupid but have come to enjoy it a decent amount.

Yeah, obviously the scenarios are completely unbelievable but I like the characters, so I continue to watch it. Funny that you basically have to turn your brain off watching a show about geniuses. It's dumb fun.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Metacritic: Renew/Cancel Odds for TV Shows Still on the BubbleUnfortunately, it's a slide show, but they are thorough with the list of network shows here.

Their predictions:
2 Broke Girls: Safe
24 Legacy: Mixed
Black-ish, The Goldbergs, Modern Family: Aren't bubble shows, fuck off Metacritic
American Crime: Canned
American Housewife: Safe
APB: Canned
The Blacklist: On a downhill slide, will be canned eventually
The Blacklist Redemption: Canned
Blindspot: Mixed
Blue Bloods: Safe
Brooklyn Nine Nine: Safe
Bull: Safe
The Catch: Mixed
Chicago Universe: Again, none of these are bubble shows.
Code Black: Canned
Criminal Minds: Also not a bubble show
Criminal Minds 2: Canned
Designated Survivor: Safe
Dr. Ken: Mixed
Elementary: Probably canned
Emerald City: Canned

The Exorcist: Mixed
Frequency: Wasn't this already canned?
Fresh Off the Boat: Safe
Gotham: Safe
Man with a Plan: Mixed
Hawaii Five-O: Safe
Kevin Can Wait: Not a bubble show, what is their definition of bubble show here?
The Last Man on Earth: Nothing in the text offers a prediction, instead choosing to claim that fans will be mad if it ends in a Cliffhanger. Yeah, ok.
Last Man Standing: Safe (also not a bubble show)
Law and Order SVU: Obviously not a bubble show
Life in Pieces: Safe, and also the description text on this makes no sense
MacGyver: Probably safe
Madam Secretary: Probably safe
Making History: Canned
Man with a Plan: Wait, sorry the first Man with a Plan on this list was The Great Outdoors. That's my fault. I honestly looked at the slide and saw "Man with a Plan". Even with the alphabetical order. Probably safe.
Marvel Show 1: Canned, hail Hydra
Mom: This is not at all a bubble show.
NCIS 2, NCIS 3: Safe, and also not bubble shows
New Girl: Mixed
No Tomorrow: Canned (again, wasn't this already canned?)
The Odd Couple: Canned
Once Upon a Time: Mixed -- but apparently if it's renewed they will fire the whole cast
Pitch: I have no idea how people think this is Mixed rather than canned but whatever
Powerless: Canned!!
Pure Genius: Canned
Quantico: Canned
Ransom: Canned
The Real O'Neals: Probably canned
Rosewood: Canned
Scorpion: Not a bubble show
Scream Queens: Canned or maybe taking some time off
Secrets and Lies: Wait, this is still on?
Sleepy Hollow: Canned
Son of Zorn: Mixed
Speechless: Not a bubble show
Superior Donuts: Probably safe
Taken: Too early to tell
Time After Time: Canned
Timeless: Probably canned
Training Day: I believe this is explicitly canned after Paxton died.
Trial and Error: Too early to tell
The X-Files: This is not a renew/cancel thing but rather gossip about how they want to do another season
Slide 64: Actually just an ad for other slideshows.

 

[Joni]

How dare you claim No Tomorrow and Frequency are cancelled? Netflix is saving them.

 

[Danthrax]

stump doing work

Marvel Show 1

pls

 

[firehawk12]

Did they really have 64 pages for that? What fucking assholes. lol

 

[morningbus]

Did I just get a sneak preview of the thread title when Agents of Shield gets cancelled?

 

[vypek]

Yeah, obviously the scenarios are completely unbelievable but I like the characters, so I continue to watch it. Funny that you basically have to turn your brain off watching a show about geniuses. It's dumb fun.

Lol yeah. I hadn't considered that but you are right that you need to turn your brain off for it. The characters and their progression were really the reason I stuck with it and continue to watch. They've made the implausible situations funny and/or entertaining no matter how ridiculous stuff gets.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

They should move Scream Queens to FXX. And always air it around Halloween.

Does anyone think Agents will survive somehow? I think that would be the biggest renewal surprise in awhile.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

I think Quantico can get an s3, it seems to be doing decently on Monday now.

Secrets & Lies I want more of.

 

[dead souls]

Did I just get a sneak preview of the thread title when Agents of Shield gets cancelled?

The geek rage all over the internet if/when Shield gets deservedly axed is going to be glorious to read. I like the current season just fine, but it can't compete with pure entertainment like that.

They should move Scream Queens to FXX. And always air it around Halloween.

If Scream Queens gets renewed in any fashion then Ryan Murphy's power has grown too strong. It deserves nothing but death.

 

[firehawk12]

Wouldn't they want to keep Shield on at least one more year to pimp that Inhumans show?

 

[Danthrax]

Wouldn't they want to keep Shield on at least one more year to pimp that Inhumans show?

hard to pimp something to an empty room

Spoiler

/stumpo

If Scream Queens gets renewed in any fashion then Ryan Murphy's power has grown too strong. It deserves nothing but death.

Only the sword that seals the darkness shall be able to contain his Malice.

 

[morningbus]

Wouldn't they want to keep Shield on at least one more year to pimp that Inhumans show?

Don't want to miss out on that famous Scott Buck bump.

 

[Sheppard]

I do not see anything on that list about Lethal Weapon from FOX. Any word on that, it wasn't half bad.

 

[dead souls]

Wouldn't they want to keep Shield on at least one more year to pimp that Inhumans show?

How can a show that is getting non-Flash CW ratings be any help to the Inhumans show?

 

[morningbus]

I do not see anything on that list about Lethal Weapon from FOX. Any word on that, it wasn't half bad.

It was renewed in February.

 

[Joni]

Watching the OC, looking at that time shows had 27-episode seasons.

 

[ZeroX03]

How dare you claim No Tomorrow and Frequency are cancelled? Netflix is saving them.

Yeah, they're gonna have to recast Peyton List from that pilot she just signed on for!

 

[TheOddOne]

Did they really have 64 pages for that? What fucking assholes. lol

Slides are just the worst.

 

[tearsintherain]

Their predictions:
Emerald City: Canned
Once Upon a Time: Mixed -- but apparently if it's renewed they will fire the whole cast

RIP Emerald City if it gets canned, while it was mostly goofy and dark and weird it was absolutely beautiful to look at

Hard not to believe OUAT getting some sort of bump from Beauty and the Beast and the inevitable Disney rush, plus it seems like a safe show to test out new Disney princess ideas and/or theme park tie ins.

Its a pretty terrible show though at this point, a reboot would work wonders now that they have a better idea of how to set up longer term arcs.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Really? I knew Rick & Morty had been crushing it when it was airing originals but I had no idea Adult Swim could pull in those sorts of numbers, especially on a Saturday night.

People never talk about it, but Adult Swim's Toonami block actually gets really good ratings. Last week Samurai Jack earned nearly 1.6 million viewers and last fall Dragon Ball Z was averaging around 1.3-1.4 million viewers per episode!

 

[AngmarsKing701]

How dare you claim No Tomorrow and Frequency are cancelled? Netflix is saving them.

They are not officially canceled. They did not get extra episode pickups so everyone assumes they're either dead or will be shopped around.

 

[Sober]

Didn't Peyton List sign up for a new pilot?

If Frequency isn't dead that is signalling hard that it will be.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Watching the OC, looking at that time shows had 27-episode seasons.

Here is an example of TV in the mid-1950s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Video_and_His_Video_Rangers

- Primetime
- Aired 6 nights a week
- 40+ weeks a year
- 1,537 episodes produced in 6 years

Despite its popularity, throughout its run the production was hampered by a very low budget. Until 1953, Captain Video's live adventures occupied only 20 minutes of each day's 30-minute program time. About 10 minutes into each episode, a Video Ranger "communications officer" showed about seven minutes of old cowboy movies described by the officer, Ranger Rogers, as the adventures of Captain Video's "undercover agents" on Earth.

The reason is that the westerns originally had been purchased by DuMont to be shown in their entirety, hosted by Captain Video, but the format was flip-flopped to become a show about Captain Video occasionally interrupted by clips from the old westerns. Despite the incongruity of mixing the two genres, it was done so the cash-strapped channel would not waste the money spent acquiring the broadcast rights to the westerns.

Even for its time, when early television productions often were thrown-together affairs, the quality of the show often is considered crude or low-budget,[6] owing much to the fact that the show was done live and DuMont had a meager budget to work with

In the early days of the series, the show featured often incoherent scripts, along with jarring plot shifts to old cowboy movies. This led to derision of the show by the critics of the day, although it always was wildly popular with kids and many adult.

Few special effects were evident until the team of Russell and Haberstroh was hired in September 1952. For the rest of the program's episodes, they provided effective model and effects work, prefilmed in 16 mm format and cut into the live broadcast as needed.

The actors were paid so little they actually made more money from appearing in character at supermarket openings, county fairs and the like than they did from their salaries. The original star Richard Coogan left the show in 1950 partially because the show's producers refused to cut in the cast members for a percentage of the licensing dollars from the sale of Captain Video merchandise. Bram Nossen, who played Dr. Pauli, dropped out in 195, after suffering a nervous breakdown from having to appear on TV six days a week, was replaced by Hal Conklin, and in 1954 Stephen Elliott assumed the role. The jarring change in actors who looked nothing like each other was explained by saying that the villainous Dr. Pauli had undergone plastic surgery to outwit Captain Video.

yuuuup

 

[Bluth54]

Really surprised at Flash's numbers. I expected higher based off the buzz from the internet.

The Flash gets really good ratings for the CW, I think it might actually be the highest rated show on the network.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

The Flash gets really good ratings for the CW, I think it might actually be the highest rated show on the network.

It is.

 

[Joni]

Yeah, they're gonna have to recast Peyton List from that pilot she just signed on for!

Didn't Peyton List sign up for a new pilot?

If Frequency isn't dead that is signalling hard that it will be.

But they prepared. She signed on in second position so Frequency still gets first call.

List's casting is in second position to the Warner Bros TV-produced Frequency.

They are not officially canceled. They did not get extra episode pickups so everyone assumes they're either dead or will be shopped around.

They are dead because of the ratings, but The CW not giving extra episodes isn't really an indicator anymore. They have been shown to be perfectly fine with 13-episode seasons. With the current season they have been having, it was completely impossible to give extensions anyway.

Here is an example of TV in the mid-1950s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Video_and_His_Video_Rangers

- Primetime
- Aired 6 nights a week
- 40+ weeks a year
- 1,537 episodes produced in 6 years

yuuuup

Sounds amazing. They should bring this back.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Hard not to believe OUAT getting some sort of bump from Beauty and the Beast and the inevitable Disney rush, plus it seems like a safe show to test out new Disney princess ideas and/or theme park tie ins.

Once Upon A Time has milked just about anything it can 100x over already.
Including Captain Hook as super budget Jack Sparrow.

 

[morningbus]

The Flash gets really good ratings for the CW, I think it might actually be the highest rated show on the network.

Oh, I know that. It's been on a downward trend lately, though. Before a few weeks ago it had never gone fractional in the ratings.

In the final, adjusted scorecard it went up to a 1.0 from its .9 in the fast nationals. Still, I expected a bit more with the reaction the show was getting from Twitter at the time.

 

[Bluth54]

Oh, I know that. It's been on a downward trend lately, though. Before a few weeks ago it had never gone fractional in the ratings.

In the final, adjusted scorecard it went up to a 1.0 from its .9 in the fast nationals. Still, I expected a bit more with the reaction the show was getting from Twitter at the time.

Starting this season the CW puts all of their shows up for free on their website and app shortly after the episode airs (I'm not sure exactly how quickly, but the episode of Arrow that first aired about 8 hours ago is up for free on their site already) so I don't think it's super surprising that the live ratings are on a somewhat downward trend.

 

[Rhaknar]

The Originals is another "one day after it airs in America" Netflix CW joint here it seems, ep 1 is up now.

Unfortunately TVD is still stuck in S5.

 

[berzeli]

Here is an example of TV in the mid-1950s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Video_and_His_Video_Rangers

- Primetime
- Aired 6 nights a week
- 40+ weeks a year
- 1,537 episodes produced in 6 years

yuuuup

Oh my god.
This is the trash I live for.

*Please let there be episodes on archive.org*
fake edit: there is!

Holy shit, it's Public Domain. Who wants to help me kickstart a revival of it?


actual edit:
Not even 10 minutes in and there are already space Romans and what seems like a tortured analogy about Treaty of Versailles.
Thank you for bringing this delight to my attention stump!

2nd actual edit:
There are also comic books, which you can read online. This is just the best.

 

[Penguin]

Empire's return kind of came out of nowhere for me, but seems to keep decently

 

[Cornballer]

- CBS Renews 5 Freshman & 11 Returning Series, Including ‘MacGyver’, ‘Superior Donuts’, ‘Life In Pieces’ & ‘Hawaii Five-0’

CBS has given early renewals to 16 returning series for the 2017-2018 season: 5 comedies (returning Life In Pieces and Mom, freshmen Kevin Can Wait, Man With a Plan and midseason entry Superior Donuts); 8 dramas (returning NCIS: Los Angeles, NCIS: New Orleans, Hawaii Five-0, Blue Bloods, Scorpion and Madam Secretary, and freshmen Bull and MacGyver); 1 reality series (Survivor); and 2 newsmagazines (60 Minutes, 48 Hours).

They join CBS’ previously renewed top comedy The Big Bang Theory and top drama NCIS for a total of 18 CBS series already picked up for next season.

What is missing from the list? Veteran dramas Elementary and Criminal Minds, comedy 2 Broke Girls and reality stalwart The Amazing Race as well as third-year comedy The Odd Couple, sophomore Code Black and Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders and freshmen The Great Indoors, Pure Genius, as well as midseason entries Doubt and Training Day.

 

[faridmon]

I am happy that Life In Pieces is returning. The only show I care from that network.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I thought Elementary was already on its final season. Maybe I just assumed that based off the scheduling.

Gotta imagine 2 Broke Girls and The Amazing Race survive, right?

 

[Busty]

Empire's return kind of came out of nowhere for me, but seems to keep decently]

Shots Fired has a solid start.

- CBS Renews 5 Freshman & 11 Returning Series, Including ‘MacGyver’, ‘Superior Donuts’, ‘Life In Pieces’ & ‘Hawaii Five-0’

I'm betting that my favourite procedural (Elementary) at the moment is safe when everything is said and done. The show is a huge seller Internationally and has an output deal with Hulu.

 

[Danthrax]

Amazing Race already got banished to Fridays for some odd reason; I can see CBS cancelling it.

 

[Cornballer]

- Deadline: ‘The Knick’ Canceled After 2 Seasons As Cinemax Focuses On Action Dramas

Cinemax has made it official — Steven Soderbergh’s The Knick will not produce more seasons beyond the two that already had aired. Clive Owen, who starred in the first two seasons, had said that he was done, though the network had left the door slightly open for another installment with a new lead actor. Cinemax will now focus completely on its re-callibtated identity as home of high-octane action dramas, most of them international co-productions. Here is the statement by Cinemax’s programming chief Kary Antholis:

“After a critically acclaimed two-season run of THE KNICK on Cinemax, we will not be going forward with additional episodes of the series,” said Kary Antholis, president, HBO Miniseries and Cinemax Programming. “Despite our pride in and affection for the series, as well as our respect for and gratitude towards Steven Soderbergh and his team, we have decided to return Cinemax to its original primetime series fare of high-octane action dramas, many of which will be internationally co-produced.”

 

[Stumpokapow]

Honestly I assumed S2 was the end until the post-finale coverage made it clear they were actively trying to do a third season. So, like, whatever. It was always a weird fit for Cinemax. Still have no idea why HBO didn't pick it up on HBO proper when it was being developed, especially because they were in a bad place in terms of original dramas.

 

[Nategc20]

I have no idea why HBO never picked this up.