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Splinter, are you actually saying that

1) the entire scum team was bussing worthy
2) the scummy thing to do was to not switch votes last minute and jump on a poorly conceived mislynch?

Maybe you should take a walk, bro. You sound fucking crazy right now.
 

*Splinter

Member
Does anyone who isn't obviously scum have any trouble with the logic in my argument?

Also can someone link the vote count? I closed the wrong tab and can't find it again.
 

franconp

Member
Sorry to quote the same post three times, but I also just realised that this:


Doesn't in any way answer the post it is responding to:






Ok? And?

I was answering to your argument why I didn't moved my vote.

Just saying. You are trying to make a narrative that make a lot of asumptions
 

*Splinter

Member
At the risk of talking endlessly in circles...


I was answering to your argument why I didn't moved my vote.

Just saying. You are trying to make a narrative that make a lot of asumptions
You were explaining why you didn't move the vote that you wouldn't have moved even if said explanation didn't apply.
 

franconp

Member
At the risk of talking endlessly in circles...



You were explaining why you didn't move the vote that you wouldn't have moved even if said explanation didn't apply.

Because I'm tired of that logic that someone is scum because they don't move their votes near the deadline. Even more when I had to explain why I don't move them five times. I have said it myself, to Kawl, to Faddy and to Swamped. I'm tired about that already.

I voted for whom I scumread. I made an argument for the vote. I still want to vote him. If you find my logic faulty I invite you to point where is the mistake.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
Does anyone who isn't obviously scum have any trouble with the logic in my argument?

Also can someone link the vote count? I closed the wrong tab and can't find it again.

I follow the logic you are presenting yes.

I come to a slightly different conclusion though. This makes me more concerned regarding CCS who sat outside of the lynch that day. I think scum may have been paralyzed on where they were voting early out of fear of standing out due to the timing of a switch. But I don't think they were all parked on TWE tbh.

TWE/Fran/CCS

That gives a wider spread of votes which I think scum tries to get if possible.
 
Does anyone who isn't obviously scum have any trouble with the logic in my argument?

Also can someone link the vote count? I closed the wrong tab and can't find it again.
What logic?

It was scummy not to join your mislynch on a town power role? You are going to lose us the game.

The good news is we all seem to be pretty agreed on worthy at least. If it is not too scummy to want to actually lynch some scum today, can we think of a better candidate than worthy for today?

I argued gorlak earlier but have talked myself into thinking he's town again. I'm thinking kawl, worthy, ccs. Using the same logic i would want kawl gone first, but I'm not convinced about him. I think worthy is the best target today.
 

*Splinter

Member
Because I'm tired of that logic that someone is scum because they don't move their votes near the deadline. Even more when I had to explain why I don't move them five times. I have said it myself, to Kawl, to Faddy and to Swamped. I'm tired about that already.

I voted for whom I scumread. I made an argument for the vote. I still want to vote him. If you find my logic faulty I invite you to point where is the mistake.
Your reaction to my argument tells me more than the votes alone ever could.


For the chucklefucks who will only skimread what just happened, here is a recap:

I make an argument based on the day 5 votes that the remaining scum are Worthy, Fran, and FEP.

*Important Note*: if even one of these is town, scum will happily push my argument along since it leads to a scum win.

-Fran argues with me as if I had presented a 100% slam dunk case where every scum would be caught out and no town could have been mistakenly implicated.
-FEP calls me crazy and acts like the logic is hard to follow.

Based on this, I'm willing to bet that one of the following is true:

1. Fran and FEP are both town.
2. The remaining scum are exactly Worthy, Fran, and FEP.

Can you tell which way I'm leaning?
 

*Splinter

Member
I follow the logic you are presenting yes.

I come to a slightly different conclusion though. This makes me more concerned regarding CCS who sat outside of the lynch that day. I think scum may have been paralyzed on where they were voting early out of fear of standing out due to the timing of a switch. But I don't think they were all parked on TWE tbh.

TWE/Fran/CCS

That gives a wider spread of votes which I think scum tries to get if possible.
Something like this is also possible, of course. I also hadn't gotten around to looking at your vote which IIRC was just a tie-breaker and therefore might not conform to the same logic.

But see the post I just made for what I'm really thinking.
 
Also, this question is for everyone but splinter and kawl.

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Look at the votes. We can see from blarg and dragonz that scum have been participating in the lynches. Blarg was on crab d1 and 2 when he was a contender and the lynch. Similarly, dragonz was on acohrs 3 and 4 when he was a contender on the lynch.

D1: Squid lynch
No flipped scum
2 voters still alive: Kawl and Splinter

Do you think there were no scum on squid? If you think there were scum, who between splinter and kawl?

Day 2: Crab lynch
Verelios is the runner up
No flipped scum on him
2 voters still alive: Kawl and CCS

Do you think there were no scum on verelios? Do you think there could be two? Who is more likely, kawl or ccs?

Day 5: Swamped lynch
Splinter Worthy Gorlak Kawl unflipped.

Do you think there were no scum on this apart from probably worthy??
 

franconp

Member
-Fran argues with me as if I had presented a 100% slam dunk case where every scum would be caught out and no town could have been mistakenly implicated.

Maybe because there are 2 options and you are trying to push the most weird one to match your reads instead of the logical one.
 
Your reaction to my argument tells me more than the votes alone ever could.


For the chucklefucks who will only skimread what just happened, here is a recap:

I make an argument based on the day 5 votes that the remaining scum are Worthy, Fran, and FEP.

*Important Note*: if even one of these is town, scum will happily push my argument along since it leads to a scum win.

-Fran argues with me as if I had presented a 100% slam dunk case where every scum would be caught out and no town could have been mistakenly implicated.
-FEP calls me crazy and acts like the logic is hard to follow.

Based on this, I'm willing to bet that one of the following is true:

1. Fran and FEP are both town.
2. The remaining scum are exactly Worthy, Fran, and FEP.

Can you tell which way I'm leaning?



Lol.
 

*Splinter

Member
Splinter, are you actually saying that

1) the entire scum team was bussing worthy
2) the scummy thing to do was to not switch votes last minute and jump on a poorly conceived mislynch?

Maybe you should take a walk, bro. You sound fucking crazy right now.

I was answering to your argument why I didn't moved my vote.

Just saying. You are trying to make a narrative that make a lot of asumptions

Because I'm tired of that logic that someone is scum because they don't move their votes near the deadline. Even more when I had to explain why I don't move them five times. I have said it myself, to Kawl, to Faddy and to Swamped. I'm tired about that already.

I voted for whom I scumread. I made an argument for the vote. I still want to vote him. If you find my logic faulty I invite you to point where is the mistake.

What logic?

It was scummy not to join your mislynch on a town power role? You are going to lose us the game.

The good news is we all seem to be pretty agreed on worthy at least. If it is not too scummy to want to actually lynch some scum today, can we think of a better candidate than worthy for today?

I argued gorlak earlier but have talked myself into thinking he's town again. I'm thinking kawl, worthy, ccs. Using the same logic i would want kawl gone first, but I'm not convinced about him. I think worthy is the best target today.

Also, this question is for everyone but splinter and kawl.

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Look at the votes. We can see from blarg and dragonz that scum have been participating in the lynches. Blarg was on crab d1 and 2 when he was a contender and the lynch. Similarly, dragonz was on acohrs 3 and 4 when he was a contender on the lynch.

D1: Squid lynch
No flipped scum
2 voters still alive: Kawl and Splinter

Do you think there were no scum on squid? If you think there were scum, who between splinter and kawl?

Day 2: Crab lynch
Verelios is the runner up
No flipped scum on him
2 voters still alive: Kawl and CCS

Do you think there were no scum on verelios? Do you think there could be two? Who is more likely, kawl or ccs?

Day 5: Swamped lynch
Splinter Worthy Gorlak Kawl unflipped.

Do you think there were no scum on this apart from probably worthy??

Maybe because there are 2 options and you are trying to push the most weird one to match your reads instead of the logical one.

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That lol should have been directed at me. Was too busy bolding shit to read properly.

There is a logic there, sure. It's terrible, but it's there. The "logic" that got you there is still utter nonsense though.
 
Splinter, read my posts. Respond to them.

You seem pretty happy with yourself but I do think you are totem and you are going to lose us the game.

Why do you think only me and fran are arguing? Because you caught us not moving off likely scum into a mislynch?? Worthy is still aching to lynch fran. Why?

Why isn't he arguing with you? Because there is at least one town and scum is perfectly happy to let you talk yourself into this and anyone else who will listen.
 

*Splinter

Member
I just figured out why Burb is still alive.

Today Worthy presumably gets lynched and flips scum. I guess the "plan" was that Fran gets a whole lot of town trust for this, he's been bussing him all game, after all. But scum don't want to be the most trusted player in the game, or their survival becomes suspicious. Therefore leave Burb alive for an extra day or two, Fran becomes too trusted to be lynched but can justify not being NK'd for as long as Burb is alive at least.


FEP: I seriously have to get to sleep. I'll look over your posts again in the morning.

Just as a courtesy.
 

franconp

Member
I just figured out why Burb is still alive.

Today Worthy presumably gets lynched and flips scum. I guess the "plan" was that Fran gets a whole lot of town trust for this, he's been bussing him all game, after all. But scum don't want to be the most trusted player in the game, or their survival becomes suspicious. Therefore leave Burb alive for an extra day or two, Fran becomes too trusted to be lynched but can justify not being NK'd for as long as Burb is alive at least.


FEP: I seriously have to get to sleep. I'll look over your posts again in the morning.

Just as a courtesy.

You are forgeting about Stan who was cleared with Dragonz flip.

And I'm the one with the crazy theories.
 
If I could convince myself splinter was scum this would be less frustrating. But re-reading, I really feel he is town.

I'm basically convinced kawl and worthy are both scum. I think worthy should be the lynch today. I think kawl should tomorrow.

The last scum is probably either fran or ccs. Still lean ccs. Either way, I think the last one will crack.

I don't think either fran or I are a better candidate today than worthy even if you do think we're both scum so I'm not going to waste any more time defending myself until tomorrow.


What are the thoughts on Kawl? What are thoughts on squid's lynch day 1?
 

*Splinter

Member
What logic?

It was scummy not to join your mislynch on a town power role?[1] You are going to lose us the game.

The good news is we all seem to be pretty agreed on worthy at least. If it is not too scummy to want to actually lynch some scum today, can we think of a better candidate than worthy for today?

I argued gorlak earlier but have talked myself into thinking he's town again.[2] I'm thinking kawl, worthy, ccs. Using the same logic i would want kawl gone first,[3] but I'm not convinced about him. I think worthy is the best target today.
1. Yes, I've explained why, the idea isn't nearly as outlandish as you would like to suggest.

2. Why did you think he was scum? Why do you think he is town?

3. I don't understand this bit, which "same logic" are you referring to that makes you prefer a Kawl lynch?

Also, this question is for everyone but splinter and kawl.[4]

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Look at the votes. We can see from blarg and dragonz that scum have been participating in the lynches. Blarg was on crab d1 and 2 when he was a contender and the lynch. Similarly, dragonz was on acohrs 3 and 4 when he was a contender on the lynch.

D1: Squid lynch
No flipped scum
2 voters still alive: Kawl and Splinter

Do you think there were no scum on squid?[5] If you think there were scum, who between splinter and kawl?

Day 2: Crab lynch
Verelios is the runner up
No flipped scum on him
2 voters still alive: Kawl and CCS

Do you think there were no scum on verelios? Do you think there could be two? Who is more likely, kawl or ccs?

Day 5: Swamped lynch
Splinter Worthy Gorlak Kawl unflipped.

Do you think there were no scum on this apart from probably worthy??
4. Why don't I get to answer?

5. Before today I would have said "probably not, but it's far from guaranteed. No scum on a lynch happens all the time, especially on a mislynch".
Today I say "yes".

Splinter, read my posts. Respond to them.

You seem pretty happy with yourself but I do think you are totem and you are going to lose us the game.[9]

Why do you think only me and fran are arguing? Because you caught us not moving off likely scum into a mislynch?? Worthy is still aching to lynch fran. Why?[6]

Why isn't he arguing with you? Because there is at least one town and scum is perfectly happy to let you talk yourself into this and anyone else who will listen.[7]
6. Lol why not? If they've been bussing each other for this long, why stop now? Hell, Worthy didn't even realise I was implicating him until later.

7. This is literally a regurgitation of the argument I just made against you. Quit stealing my material. And in case it needs to be repeated: the difference between Worthy and you two is Worthy didn't realise he was being accused.

If I could convince myself splinter was scum this would be less frustrating. But re-reading, I really feel he is town.

I'm basically convinced kawl and worthy are both scum. I think worthy should be the lynch today. I think kawl should tomorrow.

The last scum is probably either fran or ccs. Still lean ccs. Either way, I think the last one will crack.

I don't think either fran or I are a better candidate today than worthy even if you do think we're both scum so I'm not going to waste any more time defending myself until tomorrow.[8]


What are the thoughts on Kawl? What are thoughts on squid's lynch day 1?
8. Fucking LOL at this. We're in mylo, running out of time and trying to pin down the remaining scum team.

...And yet you'd have no problem letting townies be "wrong" for a phase as long as you aren't in danger of being lynched? This is the scummiest statement I've seen since "Hi I'm a doctor I block people".


9. Oh I am so totem.

I am totes, fucking, totem.
 

*Splinter

Member
Missed a point:

FEP all of your reads seem to be based on the assumption that there would be at least one scum on every lynch. Only scum would treat this with absolute certainty because only scum have the benefit of knowing exactly when it is or isn't true.



Or in other words

Only a Sith deals in absolutes
 

*Splinter

Member
Found answers to question 2:

Anyway, I'm thinking TWE Gorlak and CCS for our last three and If like to see Gorlak lynched first to be honest. He's the least likely to break imo so the stronger end game scum.

Gorlak spent his time yesterday fishing for other candidates besides dragonz even after she buried herself. Basically concern posts. "Sure dragonz looks bad, but think about this or person..."

Now he's trying to clear people which is fine, we want to do that.... but then we all want to do that right now, scum included.

Scum have been having a laugh this game. They've had to do basically nothing since we've all been building town v town lynches. So scum fucking about and voting each other like dragonz and ccs seems completely in line. In fact it was gorlak himself who accused dragonz a few days ago saying she likes to be cheeky as scum. Maybe he was being a bit cheeky himself.

Anyway, here are the votes in case anyone doesn't have them on hand. img

[...]

D3 we have worthy, ccs, and gorlak all piled on verelios. Seems very unlikely the whole team would pile on one person if they aren't turboing the game finish. Especially in a town v town showdown. Pointless to stack scum. This is actually why I town read Gorlak before. He sits onto verelios at the end of the day. Pointless for scum except to draw attention to themselves. Scumreading gorlak yesterday was mostly because I felt he was looking for reasons to lynch someone besides dragonz. Lynch bomb, etc. Might have just been heightened sensitivity because I was annoyed from something he said when he was asking about my reads.
No posts from Gorlak or FEP between these two I'm quoting, btw.
 

*Splinter

Member
Looks like I never answered Burb's questions:

Did you get roleblocked again, Splinter?
Yes. Which initially made me suspect Kawl, but I believe his claim now so w/e

Hm...

Splinter, exactly what usage would a name cop have? I mean, scum have flipped droplet and Rats so far.
No use, as far as I can tell, unless someone was stupid enough to fake name claim. I guess it's keeping the roleblocker busy though.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Found answers to question 2:

No posts from Gorlak or FEP between these two I'm quoting, btw.

FEP's been pretty flippant in his views. The day before yesterday he townread me. Yesterday it was suddenly definitely scum between Kawl and me. When I tried to get some reasons out of him, he did not respond to that. Today it was definitely me, no word of Kawl at first.

Will focus on him later. Working through Dragonz' past.
 

Gorlak

Banned
(...) No use, as far as I can tell, unless someone was stupid enough to fake name claim. I guess it's keeping the roleblocker busy though.

So you claim blocked again, while Kawl hinted at a protective role. Interesting.

Do you think both of your powers are possible on town's side? We don't know what powers scum have, but I think one of you is lying.
 

*Splinter

Member
So you claim blocked again, while Kawl hinted at a protective role. Interesting.

Do you think both of your powers are possible on town's side? We don't know what powers scum have, but I think one of you is lying.
I don't see why not?

If Kawl is lying, we have an odd night commuter and 1 doctor shot in a 20 something player game. That's a pretty vulnerable town. +1 neutral kill.

Bodyguard isn't a very powerful role either since Kawl dies if he protects someone (I think?).

Ignoring poison doctor/poisoner since they effectively cancel each other out.

Yeah I definitely think a bodyguard would be more balanced than no bodyguard.
 

*Splinter

Member
I also like his reaction to my argument on the last page:

I follow the logic you are presenting yes.

I come to a slightly different conclusion though. This makes me more concerned regarding CCS who sat outside of the lynch that day. I think scum may have been paralyzed on where they were voting early out of fear of standing out due to the timing of a switch. But I don't think they were all parked on TWE tbh.

TWE/Fran/CCS

That gives a wider spread of votes which I think scum tries to get if possible.

Suppose Kawl is scum:

Therefore, one of Worthy/FEP/Fran would be town.

Therefore, following my argument would lead to a scum win.

Therefore, the easiest play for scum-Kawl is just to agree with me. But he doesn't. He agrees with the logic but points out that it's far from foolproof and that his preferred lynch target would also fit the pattern.

So I think he's town.

It's possible he saw this logic in advance and just avoided it, but I think he's town.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Dragonz - CCS:

In 1213 she townread CCS without any explanation. A day later she starts pushing against him (1777):
(...)CCS is becoming a stronger scum read for me with each post he makes. He contributes to the thread on a regular basis, but yet, has essentially said nothing. This is usual scum behavior in that they try to appear helpful to town without giving away too much. Either way, I don't like it. acorn man is also the same.
(...)
and votes in 1811. CCS returns that vote in 1851.

Another read in 1973:
CCS makes no sense. His reads are flimsy and inconsistent and feel fabricated.(...)

A day later her view holds up, although she throws Acohrs and CCS together here.
Can we please lynch CCS or Acorn today
Seriously, they've managed to skate past two lynches between the both of them. I think looking at the end day votes yesterday will be helpful
Brb
After Acohrs flipped,
(...)
Now that we know Acorn is town I don't really know what to think about CCS. I still slightly lean scum because of the lack of commital on his votes and his weak reasoning, but I feel like looking back on his patterns will be helpful.

And another vote on CCS on D5 (3503), in which he is a blind spot(?) Before she's been talked into changing it by Splinter and TWE (votes TWE).

And than we have the doc claim. CCS doesn't buy it (3710), and later votes her.

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Contrarily to fep I think there is a distinct difference between the interactions Dragonz/Blarg and Dragonz/CCS. The first one was obviously shitpost without any relation to the game and merely to construct a conversation for the sake of it. The part with CCS is fundamentally different.
It's starts with an unreasoned view, only to be revoked at the next instance. I feel this constant push against CCS was done to appear scumhunting without doing so. And I don't think the two would be able to fake their arguing over the course of the whole game, including the sober finish by CCS.

Pair this with his display of bad memory today and general play, I think he's (newbie) town. I will not vote him today.
 

*Splinter

Member
Splinter, the name cop seems kinda useless. And it makes me worried your claim could be fabricated :/.
"Useless" roles exist. Sleepwalkers don't do anything. Town messagers don't do much. VI was full of roles that didn't actually do anything.

It's all for the sake of making night actions happen. Night actions lead to claims, claims which are crucial to forum Mafia.


Eg.

Tracker targets me? I've got some explaining to do, which is especially problematic if I haven't used my other abilities already.

I target Bronx after the roleblocker has flipped? Well then Bronx has some explaining to do when my name check fails.


It doesn't have to do anything itself, just by existing it gets me to act at night, and content is created from there.

Hell, I wouldn't have known I had been blocked the last few nights if I hadn't been trying to use this last ability. Boom. Content. Etc.
 

CCS

Banned
Just woken up. Splinter did go a bit "A Beautiful Mind" on us, but weirdly I think I do actually kinda buy his argument. I was going to vote for TWE anyway, do it goes make much of a difference right now, but I'll have to mull it over.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Apart from one more living player (Splinter) she has conversed with everyone else very sparringly. During my readthrough I did not see any meaningful discussion with fep or Kawl.

One post from TWE catched my attention:
Oh man! I'm sorry WAMD!
He apologizes for using the wrong pronoun. Splinter was the one pointing at his mistake. I believe TWE made the same mistake with swamped in this game beforehand? Anyway this makes me think, would he fake this (as her scum mate he would surely know that Dragonz is a she?) or was he making an honest mistake as town. Uagh... TWE might be the wrong lynch today. I'm keeping this in mind, but for now let's look further at Dragonz.

Fran/Dragonz
I think fran's first interaction directly with Dragonz is in #2805, where he tries to get a clearer picture on acohrs. In response to fran, she explains her view on Splinter's claim and completely puts her trust in the latter:
He didn't fully claim. And he shouldn't.
He saved Faddy from a mislynch, and as Kyan pointed out, now that we know Faddy is town, we can gauge reactions about the flip.
So not much more than the others.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Splinter/Dragonz

From the very start of the game Splinter engages Dragonz (424). #1047 was in response to Splinter (about faddy), In one of the rare occurences where Dragonz acted rather than reacted she throws a question at Splinter (2252)

She gives a more detailed read here (early D3):
His reads are consistent and justified, I feel, but everything else about him triggers my alarm bells. It's mostly a gut read, but there's something about his play that's so...not Splinter that weirds me out. He's usually more aggressive and I remember when he bussed me hard in....I can't remember what game, but I can't help but feel like he's being passive on purpose. It's just not really like him.

Although he explained it, his late day vote on Crab is also suspicious. I'd read him as null, slight scum.
She refers to a past game and I absolutely do not understand why she'd bring the bolded up. Splinter's reaction:
Price is right? Where I was scum?

I don't remembering tunneling you in a game where I was town?
Yeah that was the one...I got really mad and then I got dumped in real life and asked for a replacement
I really don't understand this. The topic is dropped afterwards. I don't see the reason why you would talk about this as w/w.

Ah, a little more about fran when Splinter asked:
Gut read. Wanted to prod a bit and see how he would react,

She later scumreads Splinter and faults his inactivity, to which he shows up and objects (2870)

After Splinter claimed, she changes her read:
My read of splinter has been based on little to no information on him and his lack of engagement striked me as odd, because (and I know this is going to sound hypocritical) but I expected him to be more active. Now I see why this was the case, but at the time, I didn't know. It was a gut read and yeah, even though in hindsight I was wrong, I still stand by my reads of him at the time.

She seems to believe him, even though Splinter's claim was questionable.
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As we can see Splinter was treated differently than the rest of us the whole game. Maybe a bit similar to CCS with the shade throwing but not in the same extent. All of this makes me lean rather town on Splinter.

But... if it wasn't for this one tiny bit of a shitpost answer right here, Dragonz said she considers Splinter to be the chameleon of gafia and this is his response:

Call me meta focused all you want, but this is what he did in Mini 2! He posted boner pics, when people praised him for his play (while the game was going, he won as a sole scum later). That's right up his alley as scum.
 

Gorlak

Banned
After all the connection to Splinter gives me a townie feeling on him, with the caveat of the last quote. I'll never make a correct call on that one... so it's a very slight, but a town lean nonetheless.
 

Gorlak

Banned
One last thing, we got this readlist from D3 in 2439. She puts Fran in twice (claims the scumread counts) and forgets Burb and Vere. I removed the dead (look at the post to see the full reads)
Scum:
CCS
TWE
FEP
Fran

Null:
Gorlak
Splinter (with slight scum lean)

Town:
Kawl
Fran
I don't know if it's worth to look at this, especially since she forgot two people and put in fran twice, can't say that gives me anything to work with, wanted to bring it here nonetheless. It also shows her focus on CCS again.
 

*Splinter

Member
Lol, tbh Gorlak

I knew at the time that this could be seen as scummy. I just love this pic too much.

I think I've used it before even, not sure if that was in mini or not and I'm not going to trawl through all my past games to find it.

So fair point to raise, but whatever. Can I get a damn reaction to my arguments now? Does it make sense? Am I barking up the wrong tree?

You too Burb. If you think it's not even worth considering you could at least explain why.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Connection to WAMD:

CCS - town
Splinter slightly town
TWE - pronoun?
Fran, FEP, Kawl - nothing

I think we would do good to look at the last three and consider TWE maybe.

Kawl not mentioning his targets right away still bothers me, his claim is also convenient to buy him more time and keep him of the list of potential candidates as Splinter seems to be willing to do e.g.

His overall play was below his usual activity level, the times he was scum he also blamed rl for it. The timing of his claim was also weird.
 

Gorlak

Banned
I don't see why not?

If Kawl is lying, we have an odd night commuter and 1 doctor shot in a 20 something player game. That's a pretty vulnerable town. +1 neutral kill.

Bodyguard isn't a very powerful role either since Kawl dies if he protects someone (I think?).

Ignoring poison doctor/poisoner since they effectively cancel each other out.

Yeah I definitely think a bodyguard would be more balanced than no bodyguard.

The neutral effectively killed two btw.

Hm.. with the tracker gone so early, there would be no other information role for town. And your one shot doc would be rather little, I agree. Especially with the lovers weakening town further. But both of you are not free of suspicion when it comes to claiming and revealing your info.

I also don't get why you'd be blocked over Kawl.
 

*Splinter

Member
I also don't get why you'd be blocked over Kawl.
I don't really understand it either. I even said to Ouro last night that if I'm blocked again then Kawl must be scum.

I guess since they were targetting Stan anyway they were less worried about a doctor (who would be on Burb)? Maybe they don't believe Kawl's claim? Maybe they don't believe my claim?

I just can't fit him in a scum team based on what's happened today.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Since I'm cleared, Kawl has to target me. So if I flip, it means kawl is lying.

If I survive, it means scum will nk someone else, and you are all question marks to me one way or another.
 
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