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Dave Chappelle - Collection 1 |OT| Netflix Standup Special - It's a Celebration
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Second special, about midway through.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Who is losing their shit? We're criticizing him. I think characterizing our reaction as if we were treating him as if he had just murdered a trans person on stage might suggest a lot more about your emotional reaction than anyone else's.
By the way, it's transgender, not transgendered.
Bill Squabber
Member
Yeah the LGBT jokes were both not funny and transphobic. I don't think Chappelle is homophobic but some of the material was definitely transphobic ("She's still a man in a dress"). He also kept saying "tranny" way too casually.
I also expect better than some weak ass jokes like: Gay superhero is never recognized because gay men love fashion.
Hopefully Chappelle evolves. He's at his best when he points out the absurdity of bigotry.
I also expect better than some weak ass jokes like: Gay superhero is never recognized because gay men love fashion.
Hopefully Chappelle evolves. He's at his best when he points out the absurdity of bigotry.
pizzaparty
Member
The whole joke is centered around refusing to acknowledge a trans person's gender for no reason other than personal ignorance. Also, engaging with a joke critically and understanding its context isn't "losing your shit."
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Losing their shit = this nonstop bitching about his special, and equating the laughing at the jokes with being transphobic, attacking evillore, accussing him of making nasty youtube comments that you could have easily checked if it was him beforehand.
Thanks for the grammer correction, totally doesn't make you look like a child or salty.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I corrected your use of a term that is generally considered offensive by trans people, I did not correct your grammar. 'Transgendered' to trans people is generally regarded in the same way as 'homosexualed' or 'blacked' would be regarded by their respective communities. You may not be the best person to lecture people on how best to advance their message if a very innocuous terminology correction caused you to react the way you did.
Given that you cited me, I also apologized for the comment and deleted the post. Like I said, you seem to be having a stronger reaction than anyone I've seen in this thread so far.
pizzaparty
Member
Transgendered implies that being trans is something that is done to a person, and not something a person is. It's not about grammar, but being respectful!
So according to you trans people should just shut up and take it. Got it.
Also it's not a question of grammar, it's a fundamental difference in meaning that is very important to trans people. But keep throwing up that bigotry I guess.
metalslimer
Member
Many of the people "bitching" have said they loved the set...
What's sparked this long argument is people refusing tof accept their favorite comedians might be ignorant on an issue. Ironic given the he rapes but he saves joke.
What's sparked this long argument is people refusing tof accept their favorite comedians might be ignorant on an issue. Ironic given the he rapes but he saves joke.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's not grammar, but about using the correct spelling of the noun. It'd be like saying Gayed or Lesbianed people.
Interesting ain't it
Homosexualed and Blacked aren't real terms, nor would they trigger a snarky response. If I'm having the strongest response in this thread then you're blind, you've been complaining in this thread all day, along with the others who quoted me. After I post this message I'm out of this conversation, and will continue to have a nice night.
You're splitting hairs. If someone truly feels offended by being called Transgendered I feel sorry for them. It is a Potatoe Potatoe situation, not one meant to cause offense.
Not every slight is worth a fight, objecting this hard to jokes, either intentionally offensive or born from ignorance. I''m not telling you to take it, I'm telling you to grow thicker skin and learn to differentiate between hate speech and jokes. Keep throwing up that bigotry? I wasn't aware a liberal like me who votes straight democrat is a bigot. I'm an allie in this struggle, if you think ptherwise then God help us all.
I hope everyone in here has a great night.
old manatee
Banned
I don't think he's coming from a hateful place, but I do think he has a blindspot in this instance.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Why is it so difficult to rationalize that jokes can hurt people too, lol.
It's not like those who are offended by Dave's jokes are calling for him to be banned or censored or that he's not allowed to perform anymore or stuff like that.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiit, I am Muslim and as such my folks have become the butt of many crude 'jokes' and stereotypes in various media, heck even here in GAF, that often offended me, but it's not like the fact that I am offended equals me screaming to my lungs that people should be banned left or right for doing that in here.
It's not like those who are offended by Dave's jokes are calling for him to be banned or censored or that he's not allowed to perform anymore or stuff like that.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiit, I am Muslim and as such my folks have become the butt of many crude 'jokes' and stereotypes in various media, heck even here in GAF, that often offended me, but it's not like the fact that I am offended equals me screaming to my lungs that people should be banned left or right for doing that in here.
MyleMan1010
Member
Dave hits every race, gender, religion and sexual orientation. Comedy is like math as in it is universal and allows us to all come together. Dave hits blacks as hard as anyone else. (the real reason he left his show and went away. His "own people" turned on him because of his popularity) He even points out how the gay community is the most critical of him right now and yet recognizes the "T's" tough road to acceptance. It's jokes people. He addresses this very thing in the first special. Dave loves all people the same. I honestly believe that. And I would bet the majority of his audience feels that way. Those who try to find faults and offense need to get over themselves as Dave puts it. Any demographic has an equal opportunity to be offended by that special. Yet it seems as if one group is disproportionate in the outrage.
I can't tell people how to feel. But I have a good idea about Daves intention with the jokes. We are all targets of hate and bigotry in everyday life. Yet there are also opportunities to poke fun of and celebrate our differences. Dave may not be the most "in touch" with todays reality. But I think his message is a positive one. I mean he spends plenty of time poking fun at himself as it is. Maybe we need to leave the perils of everyday life now and then and laugh from time to time. Because lord knows there is plenty of negative to go around. I am a Metro Detroit native that was able to find humor in the special. And I have donated thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to the city of Flint through their hard times. You would be surprised by the impact of 90 minutes of laughter.
I can't tell people how to feel. But I have a good idea about Daves intention with the jokes. We are all targets of hate and bigotry in everyday life. Yet there are also opportunities to poke fun of and celebrate our differences. Dave may not be the most "in touch" with todays reality. But I think his message is a positive one. I mean he spends plenty of time poking fun at himself as it is. Maybe we need to leave the perils of everyday life now and then and laugh from time to time. Because lord knows there is plenty of negative to go around. I am a Metro Detroit native that was able to find humor in the special. And I have donated thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to the city of Flint through their hard times. You would be surprised by the impact of 90 minutes of laughter.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Neither is transgendered. It's not an appropriate term, and the fact that you did not use it for the sake of causing offense does not make it okay to use it.
You talk about being an ally, about being a liberal, but a civil, simply correction of terminology resulted in you calling me a child for it. If that is enough to elicit that kind of response, you may want to grow a thicker skin.
pizzaparty
Member
If a group has a preferred term, it's really not much effort to refer to the group by the preferred term, is it?
blame space
Banned
goddamn do i love this place
TenCentCoast
Banned
When it comes to trans people, you are literally climbing Mt. Everest to respect their terms.
The Hermit
Member
The way he used that quote is amazing
metalslimer
Member
Haha even in this very thread you have someone that refuses to accept a very easy change to not call someone transgendered. It's no wonder why some people will go to any lengths to defend the shit when they feel the exact same way.
Found the original producer story unfunny and odd, but loved the way he came back to it at the end. Great special.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Seriously. It's really frustrating to see people touting how good of allies they are, but when the people they claim to be allies of corrects them, they lose their minds. It's honestly a really good example of virtue signalling; wanting to be seen as allies because it looks good on the resume, but not wanting to do ally work.
metalslimer
Member
Yep, I've seen it far too often. People want to say it's just comedy, but they say some of the same shit at least when any of the minority they are shitting on aren't around. I'm specifically talking about people who refuse to acknowledge that anything might be worth criticizing in the set.
You ever notice how the person that's losing the internet argument is the first one to say, "I'm out"?
On-topic: Haven't watched the specials yet, but I'm definitely a little concerned about the stuff I've heard so far. More and more I find it hard to be okay with "just jokes" when they come from, at best, a place of ignorance of social issues.
I'm sure I'll laugh at most of these specials, but I'm not looking forward to certain parts.
On-topic: Haven't watched the specials yet, but I'm definitely a little concerned about the stuff I've heard so far. More and more I find it hard to be okay with "just jokes" when they come from, at best, a place of ignorance of social issues.
I'm sure I'll laugh at most of these specials, but I'm not looking forward to certain parts.
it was brilliant
Vincent Alexander
Member
Intent isn't the end all, be all. A lot of people say offensive things out of ignorance...that doesn't mean it isn't offensive. I never would have known transgender vs. transgendered had I not come in here, and may have used the offensive one. I'm not offended the "delicate snowflakes" in here taught me something. If anything, I'm thankful.
As an ally, you really need to be more open to those you support...like not being so bothered by people helping teach you something simple about your word choice. And I truly don't think anyone is confused about the difference betweem hate speech and jokes.
Uno Venova
Banned
Shame what the thread turned into. Anyway my coworkers loved it and I hope the collection was a success, looking forward to seeing that Netflix says about the interest the special got, if anything.
metalslimer
Member
It takes up much less time in the second one and I found it much better. There are some spots (even disregarding the controversial parts) where the first one just doesn't flow well. The second is pretty much great bit after great bit.
You sound like you would have voted for Obama a third time if you could
Rawr Its Ry
Member
Has the third been filmed already or at a later date?
Why? He had two phenomenal specials with a couple of bad jokes that fell flat
pizzaparty
Member
Maybe he'll be a thoughtful and intelligent person and craft jokes that are more insightful than lol chicks with dicks. Even if he doesn't, no one, as far as I can tell, is saying he can't make lame and lazy transphobic jokes.
His jokes on other topics during the special are well crafted and delivered so it's kind of a bummer to see this stuff fall so flat.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Jokes aren't a shield to just say whatever shit you want with no consequence or criticism.
I don't think Dave hates trans people but I think people are justified to be disappointed in him for throwing around "tranny", cringing at the "tricking men into fucking them" bit and getting annoyed at his reaction to the person in the gallery joke.
metalslimer
Member
Yes I'm sure a comic that went on stage and talked about how dumb niggers were for an hour would sure be received greatly.
Vincent Alexander
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Wabam. Nailed it.Including criticism
Basketball
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metalslimer
Member
dave's jokes were like a minute
Why would you point out the time when I was responding to someone whose point was that comedy is great bascially because you can say anything you want? Even if someone talked about niggers (in general) were dumb for a minute they would be roasted, so we definitely do have some limits we place where things drop from comedy to something else entirely.
Michael F. Assbender
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