Gunslinger
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Spider-Man Homecoming - Official Trailer #2
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For real, like what is this nonsense?? I'm generally really lax when it comes to spoilers for final trailers but this is just bad. Then again my experience mostly deals with games, not movies.
The Artisan
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the spiderman 2 and 3 trailers gave away way too much also. in spiderman 2's trailer it ended with harrry going "let's see who's behind the mask" and we see in the movie it wasn't a fakeout. so the trailer spoiled that harry knows who spiderman is.
then in the spiderman 3 trailer the whole part with him getting the suit and then getting rid of it, ended with eddie getting the symbiote. so the trailer spoiled all of that happening as well.
DerZuhälter;232908970 said:
That doesn't make sense. You say you feel burned out by the huge city/world destroying scale which has been pretty much in every superhero movie and other movies, yet you don't feel excited about this trailer/movie because this doesn't go the same route as it is scaled down?
The Artisan
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is that the argument for all the Tony Stark?
well daredevil, luke cage, jessica jones, and iron fist aka all the goddamn defenders are in Pete's city too.
Also, most of the time Tony doesn't even operate there. Only when there's Avengers stuff involved otherwise he's in Cali
I know people think myself and others complain too much about the Tony Stark element to this film, so I'm not going too much into it.* But yeah, this trailer was just a massive, massive turn-off to me.
As much as I enjoyed Civil War, the idea of Tony literally making Peter's Spiderman outfit. I think a superheroes superhero outfit is always an innately personal, character specific thing...so to have someone else literally design his outfit for him felt like it was taking away a lot of its power. It would be a lot like Superman's iconic red and blue outfit turning out to be a highly technical, gadget heavy costume that was invented for Clark Kent by Batman or something. I get that this movie is going to revolve around Spider-Man learning to be more independent, as evidenced by the evident costume change in the third act....but it frustrates me that this version of Spiderman's beginnings as a fully fledged hero owe so much to a completely different superhero. There's literally a scene in this trailer where Tony decides to take his own Spiderman outfit away from him like a naughty child! It's just not a version of the character I can respond to, even if this film is serving as something of an origin-story. The character just doesn't seem to have any kind of sense of personal agency, with Iron-Man seeming to get shoe-horned into various action sequences, having to babysit Peter while installing him with many of the lessons that'll eventually make him so important as a hero.
I mean, to give the MCU Spiderman a general over-view. Peter has had....
...his iconic Spider-Man outfit designed for him by Tony.
....his iconic Spider-Signal invented for him by Tony.
....his "web-wings" invented for him by Tony, in addition to his spider-tracer, gadgets that he himself invented in the comics as a credit to his high intelligence.
.....has now had his popular catchphrase ("Friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man) invented by Tony.
All in addition to...
....the Shocker stealing his iconic shock gauntlets from Stark Industries (now probably a Tony invention)
....the Vulture's primary motivation to become The Vulture literally now revolving around Tony's actions, as opposed to Peters.
And probably even more besides.
I just find it all a bit lame. I get that Sony wants to push the Tony Stark/MCU connection as a means of getting this film to stand out from all the other Spidey films...but Peter just feels way too subserviant...as opposed to the fiercely independent that made him such an interesting and fairly unique superhero in the first place. He was a guy who almost entirely defined themselves as a loner, with one of his first appearances revolving around his getting rejected by the Fantastic Four. He wasn't travelling around in limos, getting all his fancy gadgets from billionaire superheroes....he was working all this stuff out for himself. Sort of as a metaphor for a teenager slowly transitioning into the markedly more murky territory of adulthood and the responsibility that comes with it...a subtext which Raimi's version really engaged with to great success, I felt...seemingly unlike this version.
I'm definitely still going to see the film, that's just my personal take on the whole thing. It just annoys me and really gels with my idea of what Spiderman should be. Like I said, it seems that by the end of the movie...Peter will have learnt to stand much more on his own two feet, I just don't like that the character's beginnings as a hero have become so ubiquitous with Tony and his wonderful world of Iron suits.
EDIT: *I went too much into it.
As much as I enjoyed Civil War, the idea of Tony literally making Peter's Spiderman outfit. I think a superheroes superhero outfit is always an innately personal, character specific thing...so to have someone else literally design his outfit for him felt like it was taking away a lot of its power. It would be a lot like Superman's iconic red and blue outfit turning out to be a highly technical, gadget heavy costume that was invented for Clark Kent by Batman or something. I get that this movie is going to revolve around Spider-Man learning to be more independent, as evidenced by the evident costume change in the third act....but it frustrates me that this version of Spiderman's beginnings as a fully fledged hero owe so much to a completely different superhero. There's literally a scene in this trailer where Tony decides to take his own Spiderman outfit away from him like a naughty child! It's just not a version of the character I can respond to, even if this film is serving as something of an origin-story. The character just doesn't seem to have any kind of sense of personal agency, with Iron-Man seeming to get shoe-horned into various action sequences, having to babysit Peter while installing him with many of the lessons that'll eventually make him so important as a hero.
I mean, to give the MCU Spiderman a general over-view. Peter has had....
...his iconic Spider-Man outfit designed for him by Tony.
....his iconic Spider-Signal invented for him by Tony.
....his "web-wings" invented for him by Tony, in addition to his spider-tracer, gadgets that he himself invented in the comics as a credit to his high intelligence.
.....has now had his popular catchphrase ("Friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man) invented by Tony.
All in addition to...
....the Shocker stealing his iconic shock gauntlets from Stark Industries (now probably a Tony invention)
....the Vulture's primary motivation to become The Vulture literally now revolving around Tony's actions, as opposed to Peters.
And probably even more besides.
I just find it all a bit lame. I get that Sony wants to push the Tony Stark/MCU connection as a means of getting this film to stand out from all the other Spidey films...but Peter just feels way too subserviant...as opposed to the fiercely independent that made him such an interesting and fairly unique superhero in the first place. He was a guy who almost entirely defined themselves as a loner, with one of his first appearances revolving around his getting rejected by the Fantastic Four. He wasn't travelling around in limos, getting all his fancy gadgets from billionaire superheroes....he was working all this stuff out for himself. Sort of as a metaphor for a teenager slowly transitioning into the markedly more murky territory of adulthood and the responsibility that comes with it...a subtext which Raimi's version really engaged with to great success, I felt...seemingly unlike this version.
I'm definitely still going to see the film, that's just my personal take on the whole thing. It just annoys me and really gels with my idea of what Spiderman should be. Like I said, it seems that by the end of the movie...Peter will have learnt to stand much more on his own two feet, I just don't like that the character's beginnings as a hero have become so ubiquitous with Tony and his wonderful world of Iron suits.
EDIT: *I went too much into it.
"Lets murder people on a boat"
kopitarrulez_11
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I didn't think Sony had any hand in this besides the property name
Unless he buys the suit that statement still makes sense.
SamuelSupreme
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Bruh...this is Spiderman....we live in a world where Antman crossed a Billion and you think the first entry of Marvel's biggest property in their Ultra profitable universe wont cross a Billion at a Minimum?
It was always a little weird that classic Aunt May was like 80 years old when Peter was 15.
BronsonLee
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Who starts Damage Control in Marvel comics anyways?
Cause it looks like Stark does here
Cause it looks like Stark does here
killertofu
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Didn't do anything except make me laugh that they're doing the same train scene but now in a boat.
Nah bruh it didn't.
LMAO!!!
Man yeah, why even bother watching movies these days.
SargerusBR
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Is fucking SPIDER-MAN and Iron Man.
FusedAtoms
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Holy shit this looks incredible, the idea of Tony taking away the suit to teach Peter a lesson that he learned throughout his films is really smart. It's about what's under the suit. Gonna be awesome.
Mighty Chin
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Superheroes doing superheroy things now with color.
Fixed that for you.
Sony is in charge of the marketing and they cut the trailers for this movie.
Sho_Nuff82
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This is a bad trailer, despite showing quite a few action-packed moments. I don't need every damn story beat squeezed into 3 minutes.
Iron Man saving the day might have actually been a nice surprise...oh well. The actual scene will have zero tension now when I watch it. When the Avengers trailer showed Hulk saving Stark, it was completely out of context - had they shown the previous Iron Man black hole scene, you basically ruin one of the climaxes of the film.
Less is more, Hollywood.
I think the implication is that Tooms/Vulture, Shocker, and Tinkerer are floor engineers or machinists at Stark Enterprises or an affiliated company, get tired of being overworked & underpaid for making Tony's various doodads, and decide to go into business for themselves as supervillains by stealing a bit of the tech.
Iron Man saving the day might have actually been a nice surprise...oh well. The actual scene will have zero tension now when I watch it. When the Avengers trailer showed Hulk saving Stark, it was completely out of context - had they shown the previous Iron Man black hole scene, you basically ruin one of the climaxes of the film.
Less is more, Hollywood.
I think the implication is that Tooms/Vulture, Shocker, and Tinkerer are floor engineers or machinists at Stark Enterprises or an affiliated company, get tired of being overworked & underpaid for making Tony's various doodads, and decide to go into business for themselves as supervillains by stealing a bit of the tech.
Gordon Shumway
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If this movie sucks Sony will get the blame.
If this movie is good, Sony won't get any credit.
I'm sure the movie will be alright, but the trailer didn't do anything for me. I like Holland as Peter though.
Uh, when did that happen?
I think the whole "teenage hijinks" angle might be what stops this from hitting a billion. I'll probably be wrong though.
None of these trailers have been all that great. Now I know why.
Uh, when did that happen?
I think the whole "teenage hijinks" angle might be what stops this from hitting a billion. I'll probably be wrong though.
It all makes sense now.
None of these trailers have been all that great. Now I know why.
megashock5
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I wish it was more about Peter and less about Tony, but I did have a thought...
How long do they have Holland locked up?
It was the line about Tony wanting Peter to be better than him that intrigued me. So far Iron Man has been the lead of the MCU, but how much longer is RDJ going to continue in the role? I wonder if they're setting up a passing of the torch to make Spidey front and center and retire Iron Man (at least for a while) once Downey is done.
As a huge Spidey fan, I'm there day one. I do appreciate that his demeanor seems right from what we've seen so far.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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I mean, turning people into dinosaurs is a rather noble pursuit. I side with Sauron on this.
I don't think the plot will be as important as the character interactions in this specific film. It's a superhero film. We can already guess the basic plot beats.
I want to see how Peter interacts with kids at school, with his Aunt, etc. One of the strengths of the Ultimate Spider-Man comic stuff (and one of the weaknesses of the Amazing Spider-man films) is that Peter's schoolmates actually had some character development. In the films where he is still in school, they will develop his love interest and whoever is going to turn heel, and leave the rest of the supporting spider-cast as extras.
Huge Spider-Man fan here. I would take pride in being one of the biggest on GAF.
And I don't think you realize how god damn big Guardians of the Galaxy is now. It's going to make more money than this movie.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Well, we all know the whole story of the movie now. WTH kind of marketing is this lol
Unspeakable Evil
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I look forward to the porn parody.
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BronsonLee
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Yeah, I really like how Tony's arc involves him applying lessons he had to learn the hard way. It also is still pretty in character for him to constantly meddle (Hawkeye in Civil War mentions this).
It's also smart to have him pop in to help out, though him having to directly intervene could and should be a thing because Tony normally doesn't handle that sort of thing.
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Also remember Osborn literally had a cure for cancer and only kept it so he can kill deadpool
AcademicSaucer
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Robert Downey Jr. Is Uncle Ben
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