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Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT2| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)

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The Kree

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The Stark hate is strong

Spend 8 years begging for Spider-Man to be in the MCU.

Spend the next 8 complaining about it.

We knew this would happen because during all of phase 2 everybody kept asking "Where are the rest of the Avengers?"

There is no pleasing people.
 
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Danthrax

Batteries the CRISIS!
This thread has been drowning in pics of Spider-Man.

Jonah would be happy.

No he wouldn't. "You can get pictures of Spider-Man on the Internet instead of my paper? OUTRAGEOUS!"


FUCKING NOOOOOOOOO!

Dude, that part made me smile. Funny way to work that in.



No, Iron Man 3 was Iron Man 4. Avengers was Iron Man 3. Age of Ultron was Iron Man 5. We're about to get Iron Man 6, yo.
 
No he wouldn't. "You can get pictures of Spider-Man on the Internet instead of my paper? OUTRAGEOUS!"




Dude, that part made me smile. Funny way to work that in.




No, Iron Man 3 was Iron Man 4. Avengers was Iron Man 3. Age of Ultron was Iron Man 5. We're about to get Iron Man 6, yo.

Iron Man 7, You forget Iron Man 6 :Civil War
 

Danthrax

Batteries the CRISIS!
Iron Man 7, You forget Iron Man 6 :Civil War

good call, good call

so we've got:

Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Marvel's The Avengers: Iron Man 3
Iron Man 4: The Quest for Peace
Iron Man 5: Age of Ultron
Iron Man 6: Civil War
Iron Man 7: Homecoming
Iron Man 8: Infinity War

this is getting Fast and Furiousesque.
 

fallengorn

Bitches love smiley faces
I know it's pretty trivial, but I wish they kept the Cap thing out of the trailer. It'd be a nice surprise while watching the movie.
 
I don't know that breaking the Accords, which is a UN Treaty, makes him a wanted fugitive in the typical sense. Especially since breaking the Accords just means that a person was being a hero without permission.
 

SpaceWolf

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I don't know that breaking the Accords, which is a UN Treaty, makes him a wanted fugitive in the typical sense. Especially since breaking the Accords just means that a person was being a hero without permission.

Rogers helped the number one suspect in a terrorist attack escape by beating the shit out of a SWAT team that came to find him, and then single-handedly lead the mass-breakout of his crew from a government facility.

He's a fugitive.
 
Rogers helped the number one suspect in a terrorist attack escape by beating the shit out of a SWAT team that came to find him, and then single-handedly lead the mass-breakout of his crew from a government facility.

He's a fugitive.


So you watched a different movie than I did?
 
But his description is pretty apt. That's what happened.

I can't remember but didn't he get his team safely to Wakanda?

Cap didn't assist the escape of Bucky. He tried to bring him in without a loss of life instead of capturing him at the cost of dozens of SWAT team lives.

And he broke his team out of an illegal black site facility where they were incarcerated without trial.

The only gray areas in the movie are Tony's beliefs vs. Cap's beliefs. Everything that General Ross did post-bombing was incredibly dangerous or illegal.
 

SpaceWolf

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Cap didn't assist the escape of Bucky. He tried to bring him in without a loss of life instead of capturing him at the cost of dozens of SWAT team lives.

And he broke his team out of an illegal black site facility where they were incarcerated without trial.

The only gray areas in the movie are Tony's beliefs vs. Cap's beliefs. Everything that General Ross did post-bombing was incredibly dangerous or illegal.

Steve did assist in the escape of Bucky....by helping to beat up members of the SWAT team who came for him. That's the definition of helping him to escape. Steve not killing the SWAT team doesn't make what he did any less illegal. It's still illegal. He still beat the shit out of a SWAT team, regardless of whether or not he felt what he was doing was right.

Cap's team weren't being detained illegally, either, I believe. After the accords were signed, their imprisonment was legally justified, hence the military being the ones who were holding them.

So you watched a different movie than I did?

I'm starting to get the feeling you must have been watching some alternate cut of the film as opposed to the rest of us, yes.
 

Wingfan19

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That trailer showed way too much for my liking. The first trailer was better in almost every way. I'm worried what the 3rd trailer is gonna show now. They need to cut way back or do what Wonder Woman did and make the trailer a character one. Movie is still hype as fuck though, can't wait.
 

Danthrax

Batteries the CRISIS!
Rogers helped the number one suspect in a terrorist attack escape by beating the shit out of a SWAT team that came to find him, and then single-handedly lead the mass-breakout of his crew from a government facility.

He's a fugitive.

So you watched a different movie than I did?

Ah, here's how we get to 20,000 posts, LoL

BTW, anyone who hasn't watched these should watch them with regard to the Civil War debate: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtJkDqZzoOFYbqwOIFn2Lng/videos
 

jph139

Member
Cap didn't assist the escape of Bucky. He tried to bring him in without a loss of life instead of capturing him at the cost of dozens of SWAT team lives.

I mean, he's a private American citizen acting (without authorization) to interfere with police action in a foreign state, and said interference resulted in a fugitive terrorist escaping from justice, if only temporarily.

Spin it however you want, it's SUPER illegal, and Stark throwing his weight around is the only reason he wasn't immediately thrown in prison for it.

And he broke his team out of an illegal black site facility where they were incarcerated without trial.

The only gray areas in the movie are Tony's beliefs vs. Cap's beliefs. Everything that General Ross did post-bombing was incredibly dangerous or illegal.

Definitely a legal grey area, but I imagine Ross could try and argue that Team Cap was composed of unlawful combatants and thus devoid of POW rights. Even if he lost the case, it'd be tough to pin him down and it would definitely take a while. And we can't really say how long they were being held, so it's pure conjecture on our part. I'd agree it seems like longer than would be legal, though they're definitely flight risks... Wilson in particular... ha ha...

I mean, the US government has indefinitely detained people in Guantanamo Bay for years, so even if it was illegal, the UN would absolutely be turning a blind eye to it.
 

fallengorn

Bitches love smiley faces
Rogers helped the number one suspect in a terrorist attack escape by beating the shit out of a SWAT team that came to find him, and then single-handedly lead the mass-breakout of his crew from a government facility.

He's a fugitive.

He's a man without a country. He's a nomad. #itsallvneck
 

Cth

Member
And Banner's in the science room, despite Harlem and South Africa rampages.

Besides, with it being the old costume, it was likely "filmed" long ago and still in use in schools since Avengers 1's events.
 
Steve did assist in the escape of Bucky....by helping to beat up members of the SWAT team who came for him. That's the definition of helping him to escape. Steve not killing the SWAT team doesn't make what he did any less illegal. It's still illegal. He still beat the shit out of a SWAT team, regardless of whether or not he felt what he was doing was right.

Cap's team weren't being detained illegally, either, I believe. After the accords were signed, their imprisonment was legally justified, hence the military being the ones who were holding them.

I'm starting to get the feeling you must have been watching some alternate cut of the film as opposed to the rest of us, yes.

Steve literally tells RDJ he wants to be the one to bring Bucky in and he never lets Bucky get away from him, so your definition of escape is a bit wonky.

The team was detained after Bucky was captured. After the airport, they're imprisoned, without trial, which violates Human Rights (and thanks to no Xmen, they're all humans). The Accords can not retroactively supersede previous UN law.

I mean, he's a private American citizen acting (without authorization) to interfere with police action in a foreign state, and said interference resulted in a fugitive terrorist escaping from justice, if only temporarily.

Spin it however you want, it's SUPER illegal, and Stark throwing his weight around is the only reason he wasn't immediately thrown in prison for it.

It's no more illegal than the previous Avengers operations internationally. I will admit I'm a bit murky in memory on whether or not the Accords are technically active at that time. Is it that they're signed and go active at a certain time or did they still require a final vote/ceremony?

Definitely a legal grey area, but I imagine Ross could try and argue that Team Cap was composed of unlawful combatants and thus devoid of POW rights. Even if he lost the case, it'd be tough to pin him down and it would definitely take a while. And we can't really say how long they were being held, so it's pure conjecture on our part. I'd agree it seems like longer than would be legal, though they're definitely flight risks... Wilson in particular... ha ha...

I mean, the US government has indefinitely detained people in Guantanamo Bay for years, so even if it was illegal, the UN would absolutely be turning a blind eye to it.

Unlawful combatants is a pretty big stretch. It's also different from Guantanamo in that the Black Site and General Ross' authority comes directly from the UN, so at that point the UN would be violating its own laws with regards to Human Rights. It's not a hands are tied due to technicality issue or a murky politics issue. It would be the UN blatantly ignoring it's own laws because reasons.

Ah, here's how we get to 20,000 pages, LoL

Just doing my part! ;p
 
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