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[PLASTICA-MAN]

Coming back about the new trend of display sizes. Do you think that even next year the standard minimal size for the upcoming high-end TVs will be 55 inches too (or even higher this time)? If this will be the case, then no need to wait an entire year to be stuck in the same dilemma again.

 

[Trojita]

Coming back about the new trend of display sizes. Do you think that even next year the standard minimal size for the upcoming high-end TVs will be 55 inches too (or even higher this time)? If this will be the case, then no need to wait an entire year to be stuck in the same dilemma again.

Yes.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Yes.

Then no luck!

 

[Jigolo]

Coming back about the new trend of display sizes. Do you think that even next year the standard minimal size for the upcoming high-end TVs will be 55 inches too (or even higher this time)? If this will be the case, then no need to wait an entire year to be stuck in the same dilemma again.

There will sadly probably never be a flagship, high-end TV smaller than ~50". It's 50" (55" actually) and up. I saw a post on AVS years ago that theorized the next "smaller" OLED size by using the cuts LG does on their panels. I think the poster came out to around 46" using a cut of the 77" panels. I forget it was years ago but the point is even after years it doesn't look like LG Display is even interested in manufacturing smaller sizes.

Like you, I also wish they'd offer high end TVs just about 10" smaller than the current trend. ~45" and the rest of the sizes you already know.

But who knows, that may change for 2018...

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

There will sadly probably never be a flagship, high-end TV smaller than ~50". It's 50" (55" actually) and up. I saw a post on AVS years ago that theorized the next "smaller" OLED size by using the cuts LG does on their panels. I think the poster came out to around 46" using a cut of the 77" panels. I forget it was years ago but the point is even after years it doesn't look like LG Display is even interested in manufacturing smaller sizes.

Like you, I also wish they'd offer high end TVs just about 10" smaller than the current trend. ~45" and the rest of the sizes you already know.

But who knows, that may change for 2018...

The KS8000/9000 were the highest end for Samsung last yearand they offered 49 inches. It is weird that starting from this year both Samsung and Sony dropped that size for their top of the line versions.

 

[molnizzle]

For the 900th time, TVs in stores that run looping demos all day long and don't run compensation cycles are completely different to real world usage. It's really not that hard to understand.

I dunno, man. My "real world usage" can sometimes involve playing the same video game for 6-8 hours a day over long periods of time. The fact that image retention like that is even possible is extremely worrying to me.

Destiny HUD is permanently burnt-in to the lower left corner of my Pansonic ST30. =/

 

[McCHitman]

Long live the CRT!

 

[Kyoufu]

I dunno, man. My "real world usage" can sometimes involve playing the same video game for 6-8 hours a day over long periods of time. The fact that image retention like that is even possible is extremely worrying to me.

Destiny HUD is permanently burnt-in to the lower left corner of my Pansonic ST30. =/

I've played games for way longer than that in one session. No issues.

I even did the MMO test for Unknown Soldier by playing FFXIV for like 180 ish hours over the christmas holidays. No issues. With the amount of gaming I do on mine, there's no way I'd have no issues after 8 months if it had problems in real world usage. Nobody else here or on other forums has had issues either.

And yeah, I played a crapload of Destiny on it too.

 

[molnizzle]

I've played games for way longer than that in one session. No issues.

I even did the MMO test for Unknown Soldier by playing FFXIV for like 180 ish hours over the christmas holidays. No issues. With the amount of gaming I do on mine, there's no way I'd have no issues after 8 months if it had problems in real world usage. Nobody else here or on other forums has had issues either.

And yeah, I played a crapload of Destiny on it too.

Do you use the TV for anything else? Because mine gets used solely for gaming. No actual TV/movie watching.

 

[Kyoufu]

Do you use the TV for anything else? Because mine gets used solely for gaming. No actual TV/movie watching.

Mostly gaming on PS4/PC. Getting a Switch too at some point.

Sometimes binge watching Netflix/Amazon shows if something is interesting enough.

I'm gonna put in at least 1000 hours of Destiny 2 into this TV

 

[Theonik]

Coming back about the new trend of display sizes. Do you think that even next year the standard minimal size for the upcoming high-end TVs will be 55 inches too (or even higher this time)? If this will be the case, then no need to wait an entire year to be stuck in the same dilemma again.

Some type of displays like decent local dimming LCD TVs are not practical to make in smaller sizes and also need to be thicker.

OLED is more of a market thing. I don't see the trend reversing as the market has kind of spoken.

 

[holygeesus]

I dunno, man. My "real world usage" can sometimes involve playing the same video game for 6-8 hours a day over long periods of time. The fact that image retention like that is even possible is extremely worrying to me.

Destiny HUD is permanently burnt-in to the lower left corner of my Pansonic ST30. =/

If you turn your TV off after a gaming session you will be fine. I've had similar length sessions, for nigh on a year of ownership now, and there isn't a mark on my TV.

And that is coming from someone who managed to get burn-in on a Pioneer plasma too.

 

[Kyoufu]

If you turn your TV off after a gaming session you will be fine. I've had similar length sessions, for nigh on a year of ownership now, and there isn't a mark on my TV.

And that is coming from someone who managed to get burn-in on a Pioneer plasma too.

I'm annoyed that UK models don't include the total view time in the menus. I must have 3000 hours on this TV by now. No marks, no retention or anything. It's beautiful.

 

[Smokey]

Jury's still out on the A1E and LGs this year, versus and value wise.

2018 will probably be a better time to jump in I think, with their true next gen panel tech. Still too much premium on 65" OLED sets.

#2018 crew is growing

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Some type of displays like decent local dimming LCD TVs are not practical to make in smaller sizes and also need to be thicker.

OLED is more of a market thing. I don't see the trend reversing as the market has kind of spoken.

The problem is that getting a KS8000/9000 which offer that size was nice last year, but getting it now is completely outdated since the nits are low compared to the new and upcoming TVs and it will mostly not support Dolby Vision and HLG.

 

[HStallion]

I'm trying to hold out till 2018 for a HDMI 2.1 TV but it depends on how well my current nearly 10 year old set holds on.

 

[Trojita]

From the Forbes LG W7 Review

One important and (daft) limitation of the OLED65W7’s audio capabilities, though, is that it will only play Dolby Atmos tracks delivered via Dolby Digital+, not Dolby True HD. Which means, essentially, that it won’t play Atmos tracks off Ultra HD and HD Blu-ray discs. They’ll only work via USB files and streamed content.

Oh man. Is this because of hdmi data protection?

LG also has a new proprietary HDR-related processing system called Active HDR which apparently inserts ‘dynamic’ metadata (scene by scene instructions telling a TV how to show the picture) into HDR signals such as the HDR10 industry standard that don’t carry dynamic metadata already.

Apparently Active HDR was initially designed to be a feature that was on by default and couldn’t be turned off. At the last minute, though, LG decided - wisely, as we’ll see - to let you turn it off. The only problem with this last minute decision is that there’s no Active HDR menu option; to turn it off you actually have to deactivate the Dynamic Contrast setting when watching HDR content! As if the issues around HDR weren’t already complicated enough…

Hmm I wonder how this will work out. I assume this is going on all the 7 series OLED's? Hopefully they fix that menu setting problem.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

From the Forbes LG W7 Review



Oh man. Is this because of hdmi data protection?


Hmm I wonder how this will work out. I assume this is going on all the 7 series OLED's? Hopefully they fix that menu setting problem.

HDR with Dynamic Metadata? How is that? The only way to do it is through HDMI 2.1. Are they emulating it?

 

[Kyoufu]

HDR with Dynamic Metadata? How is that? The only way to do it is through HDMI 2.1. Are they emulating it?

It's basically their own fake metadata. I.. don't expect to use it ever.

 

[Madness]

The KS8000/9000 were the highest end for Samsung last yearand they offered 49 inches. It is weird that starting from this year both Samsung and Sony dropped that size for their top of the line versions.

Sony is giving you a television at 49" ten times better than last year. I mean again, you are getting a 49" set that gives you 120hz panel, FALD and greater black levels, almost 900 nits of brightness etc. Compared to the 49" X800D of last year, it destroys it. Plus you still have the option of buying the KS8000 at 49".

I think the fact you need 49" so bad shows why they no longer care about the size. You will buy whatever they offer because you cannot go higher, and those who would prefer 49" but can fit higher will just pick 55" and call it a day. I honestly think soon even 55" will be small and 60", 65", 75" become the new mainstream sizes. Especially with designs like the wallpaper OLED.

 

[RoboPlato]

It's basically their own fake metadata. I.. don't expect to use it ever.

I'm hoping that dynamic metadata can be put in via firmware for a lot of 2017 displays. It'll make a huge difference for mainstream HDR adoption.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Sony is giving you a television at 49" ten times better than last year. I mean again, you are getting a 49" set that gives you 120hz panel, FALD and greater black levels, almost 900 nits of brightness etc. Compared to the 49" X800D of last year, it destroys it. Plus you still have the option of buying the KS8000 at 49".

I think the fact you need 49" so bad shows why they no longer care about the size. You will buy whatever they offer because you cannot go higher, and those who would prefer 49" but can fit higher will just pick 55" and call it a day. I honestly think soon even 55" will be small and 60", 65", 75" become the new mainstream sizes. Especially with designs like the wallpaper OLED.

I will check the input lag, nits and the possibility of supporting Dolby Vision for the set you mentioned, then I will decide.

For me, 49 inches is the best size/price. Going bigger means more expensive, not just the matter of space.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I'm hoping that dynamic metadata can be put in via firmware for a lot of 2017 displays. It'll make a huge difference for mainstream HDR adoption.

I don't rely much on firmware updates. It is like expecting old TVs to support HDR10 via firmware updates while the change has to be through hardware. HDM 2.1 is supposed to Dynamic Metadata to HDR.

 

[dragos495]

I dunno, man. My "real world usage" can sometimes involve playing the same video game for 6-8 hours a day over long periods of time. The fact that image retention like that is even possible is extremely worrying to me.

Destiny HUD is permanently burnt-in to the lower left corner of my Pansonic ST30. =/

nah.

i use my 65" c6 oled as a pc monitor. thats for about 10h a day. the taskbar is always on the screen, with the start button, icons and the clock always showing.

when i game, i switch my input to the ps4 and play destiny for hours and hours.

i dont worry AT ALL about burn in. i see the image retention. like when playing a 4k uhd disc on my one s and the white blu ray icon from the app stays on the screen for like 10 seconds, i see a smudge in that place on the following gray screen. it goes away immediatly though.

 

[Taggen86]

The digital foundry settings for the b6 oled is finally here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXx9DSuY3hs

Game mode
oled 48
contrast 78
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 50
tint o
color temp W45 (closest to warm 2/Rec 709)
Gamma medium

HDR game
Oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color temp W45
color gamut normal
dynamic contrast off

ISF expert Dark room
oled 30
contrast 80
brightness 50
color 50
gamma 2.2
color gamut normal
aspect ratio 16.9 just scan

HDR standard
oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color gamut normal
gamma 2.2

They are very similar to my settings btw and makes sense overall. However, I do find their oled light too low in SDR gaming. But the only reason they do so is because SDR is mastered at 100 nits. so while it my not be in line with your (and my) preferences, it is more correct. I will probably stay at 60 oled light for SDR.

 

[Theonik]

I will check the input lag, nits and the possibility of supporting Dolby Vision for the set you mentioned, then I will decide.

For me, 49 inches is the best size/price. Going bigger means more expensive, not just the matter of space.

The XE90 is not capable of DV and since it lacks the X1 Extreme processor lacks the necessary power to support dynamic metadata/DV.

It will also have significantly worse image processing than the XE93 due to the same disadvantage.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Sony is giving you a television at 49" ten times better than last year. I mean again, you are getting a 49" set that gives you 120hz panel, FALD and greater black levels, almost 900 nits of brightness etc. Compared to the 49" X800D of last year, it destroys it. Plus you still have the option of buying the KS8000 at 49".

I think the fact you need 49" so bad shows why they no longer care about the size. You will buy whatever they offer because you cannot go higher, and those who would prefer 49" but can fit higher will just pick 55" and call it a day. I honestly think soon even 55" will be small and 60", 65", 75" become the new mainstream sizes. Especially with designs like the wallpaper OLED.

I haven't had much time with it but it seems good while watching cable TV. I just need to know what settings to use to enable 4k HDR on my PS4. Right now it just says it will do 2k.

 

[Metalstrike]

Forbes' John Archer review of the Samsung Q9:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ew-out-with-the-o-in-with-the-q/#54e8f84523c6

This game mode works for both HDR and SDR content, and serious gamers will be ecstatic to learn that input lag in both modes measured under 15ms during my tests. This is an exceptional result.

I am not a huge fan of Samsung's TVs but that is impressive.

 

[holygeesus]

The digital foundry settings for the b6 oled is finally here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXx9DSuY3hs

Game mode

oled 48
contrast 78
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 50
tint o
color temp W45
Gamma medium


They are very similar to my settings btw and makes sense overall.

Contrast seems way too low to me, especially for gaming, and even more so when combined with the low OLED light.

 

[Art Vandilay]

The digital foundry settings for the b6 oled is finally here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXx9DSuY3hs

Game mode

oled 48
contrast 78
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 50
tint o
color temp W45
Gamma medium

HDR game
Oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color temp W45
color gamut normal
dynamic contrast off

Dark room

oled 30
contrast 80
brightness 50
color 50
gamma 2.2
color gamut normal
aspect ratio 16.9 just scan

HDR standard
oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color gamut normal
gamma 2.2

They are very similar to my settings btw and makes sense overall.

Nice. Been looking forward to this. W45 seems a little intense though. I've had mine at W15.

Guess I'll give these a shot and see how they compare.

 

[LilJoka]

Nice. Been looking forward to this. W45 seems a little intense though. I've had mine at W15.

Guess I'll give these a shot and see how they compare.

The warm ness has some opinion to it, I run mine similar to you. Depends what suits you really.

 

[BumRush]

The warm ness has some opinion to it, I run mine similar to you. Depends what suits you really.

Yup! Warm / Cool is the age old settings debate.

Spoiler

#teamwarm1

 

[Art Vandilay]

The warm ness has some opinion to it, I run mine similar to you. Depends what suits you really.

I think it's odd how he didn't bump up brightness for HDR game at all either. And in regular game mode I think I turned down brightness to 48 or so and jacked contrast up to 92 or something. Maybe I'm doing something wrong though.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

The XE90 is not capable of DV and since it lacks the X1 Extreme processor lacks the necessary power to support dynamic metadata/DV.

It will also have significantly worse image processing than the XE93 due to the same disadvantage.

I bet the KS8000/9000 won't be able to do Dolby Vision too, right? I wonder if the new QLED TVs will be Dolby Vision capable.

 

[LilJoka]

I think it's odd how he didn't bump up brightness for HDR game at all either. And in regular game mode I think I turned down brightness to 48 or so and jacked contrast up to 92 or something. Maybe I'm doing something wrong though.

Brightness 50 is correct for my tv in all the modes.
Contrast over 85ish will start with kill the upper white detail.

 

[vpance]

The XE90 is not capable of DV and since it lacks the X1 Extreme processor lacks the necessary power to support dynamic metadata/DV.

It will also have significantly worse image processing than the XE93 due to the same disadvantage.

The image processing is basically the same quality as XE93. It's just missing DV I think.

 

[TheBoss1]

The XE90 is not capable of DV and since it lacks the X1 Extreme processor lacks the necessary power to support dynamic metadata/DV.

It will also have significantly worse image processing than the XE93 due to the same disadvantage.

Saying it's "significantly worse" is a little extreme. They are using the previous flagship processor that was used prior to the Z9D. Now I'd agree with you if it was any TV below X900E.

The image processing is basically the same quality as XE93. It's just missing DV I think.

Sort of. I would say the X1 Extreme is just an evolution of the X1. I'm sure it can handle DV but Sony or Dolby doesn't want to support it for some reason.

 

[shantyman]

I haven't had much time with it but it seems good while watching cable TV. I just need to know what settings to use to enable 4k HDR on my PS4. Right now it just says it will do 2k.

You have to enable "Enhanced format" for the HDMI port in settings. Only HDMI 2 and 3 support this I believe.

I decided on and a purchased a 55X900E last night. I got it set up and used rtings settings as a jumping off point. My initial impressions are VERY favorable. Just seeing the title screen of Horizon Zero Dawn impressed. Coming from a plasma I was apprehensive but so far so good.

On another note, earlier I posted about seeing one at BB and said the viewing angles seemed bad. I actually am pleased with them now that I have it in the house.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Brightness 50 is correct for my tv in all the modes.
Contrast over 85ish will start with kill the upper white detail.

When I was playing Horizon in HDR it just seemed like bumping the brightness a couple of notches helped out since the picture appeared dim. As to non HDR game mode, I did adjust those settings while in Blighttown so I should probably re-evaluate that.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

The digital foundry settings for the b6 oled is finally here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXx9DSuY3hs

Game mode
oled 48
contrast 78
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 50
tint o
color temp W45
Gamma medium

HDR game
Oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color temp W45
color gamut normal
dynamic contrast off

Dark room
oled 30
contrast 80
brightness 50
color 50
gamma 2.2
color gamut normal
aspect ratio 16.9 just scan

HDR standard
oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color gamut normal
gamma 2.2

They are very similar to my settings btw and makes sense overall. However, I do find their oled light too low in SDR gaming. But the only reason they do so is because SDR is mastered at 100 nits. so while it my not be in line with your (and my) preferences, it is more correct. I will probably stay at 60 oled light for SDR.

Is it possible to save settings profiles or do you have to manually adjust these each time? If it's the latter, I don't think I'll bother switching. I'll just find a setting I'm alright with and stick to it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

#2018 crew is growing

I remember the hilarious dogpile I got when I said I was going to wait until 2018 a number of pages back.

 

[vpance]

I decided on and a purchased a 55X900E last night. I got it set up and used rtings settings as a jumping off point. My initial impressions are VERY favorable. Just seeing the title screen of Horizon Zero Dawn impressed. Coming from a plasma I was apprehensive but so far so good.

On another note, earlier I posted about seeing one at BB and said the viewing angles seemed bad. I actually am pleased with them now that I have it in the house.

Nice, give us some impressions on the HDR in games and movies. Eye popping or just ok?

I remember the hilarious dogpile I got when I said I was going to wait until 2018 a number of pages back.

Sorry to hear that, lol. 2017 improvements aren't insignificant but I'm thinking 2018s will be better bang for the buck. LG is just milking the last gen of these panels for all they're worth.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

You have to enable "Enhanced format" for the HDMI port in settings. Only HDMI 2 and 3 support this I believe.

I decided on and a purchased a 55X900E last night. I got it set up and used rtings settings as a jumping off point. My initial impressions are VERY favorable. Just seeing the title screen of Horizon Zero Dawn impressed. Coming from a plasma I was apprehensive but so far so good.

On another note, earlier I posted about seeing one at BB and said the viewing angles seemed bad. I actually am pleased with them now that I have it in the house.

Any tips for gaming calibration guys?

 

[Paragon]

Yup! Warm / Cool is the age old settings debate.

There is no debate, the standard is D65.
Confusion arises because most displays don't offer a preset which is perfectly calibrated to D65, and often Warm 1 often ends up around 7000K while Warm 2 is closer to 6000K.
I've never known anyone to look at a screen properly calibrated to D65 and say that it doesn't look white. It's actually a slightly blueish white.

#2018 crew is growing

The A1E is looking like an amazing OLED - especially in comparisons against other models.
I can't wait until they are shipping a model like that but with HDMI 2.1 features; Game Mode VRR and 120Hz.
I've waited this long now, another year or two isn't going to hurt. I'm probably going to end up buying a G-Sync monitor this year though. Either that 27" HDR model or a 144Hz Ultrawide. If only there were 144Hz HDR ultrawides coming this year.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

The digital foundry settings for the b6 oled is finally here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXx9DSuY3hs

Game mode
oled 48
contrast 78
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 50
tint o
color temp W45 (closest to warm 2/Rec 709)
Gamma medium

HDR game
Oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color temp W45
color gamut normal
dynamic contrast off

ISF expert Dark room
oled 30
contrast 80
brightness 50
color 50
gamma 2.2
color gamut normal
aspect ratio 16.9 just scan

HDR standard
oled 100
contrast 100
brightness 50
sharpness 10
color 55
color gamut normal
gamma 2.2

They are very similar to my settings btw and makes sense overall. However, I do find their oled light too low in SDR gaming. But the only reason they do so is because SDR is mastered at 100 nits. so while it my not be in line with your (and my) preferences, it is more correct. I will probably stay at 60 oled light for SDR.

pretty much use the same settings except for brightness. at 50 you loose a ton of shadow detail. I had to turn mine up to 53 during my calibration and it's perfect. Did the same with HDR mode.

 

[Metalingus5150]

Nice, give us some impressions on the HDR in games and movies. Eye popping or just ok?



Sorry to hear that, lol. 2017 improvements aren't insignificant but I'm thinking 2018s will be better bang for the buck. LG is just milking the last gen of these panels for all they're worth.

So the panels next year are going to be a new generation of panel?

 

[Trojita]

The A1E is looking like an amazing OLED - especially in comparisons against other models.
I can't wait until they are shipping a model like that but with HDMI 2.1 features; Game Mode VRR and 120Hz.
I've waited this long now, another year or two isn't going to hurt. I'm probably going to end up buying a G-Sync monitor this year though. Either that 27" HDR model or a 144Hz Ultrawide. If only there were 144Hz HDR ultrawides coming this year.

You'd also need to have the game system you have or are buying to support HDMI 2.1 and VRR

For PC (which I find this to be most important for), that your PC Graphics card maker will support this. Nvidia loves the money they get from G-Sync licensing.

I don't really feel like buying another receiver, so fuck that.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

You'd also need to have the game system you have or are buying to support HDMI 2.1 and VRR

For PC (which I find this to be most important for), that your PC Graphics card maker will support this. Nvidia loves the money they get from G-Sync licensing.

I don't really feel like buying another receiver, so fuck that.

This is a good point. people are not realizing, that even if a few of the 2018 TVs support VRR, Nvidia won't support anything that isn't GSync. Even if they eventually decide to do so, it will probably take them years to give in, once it has been standardized, not in 2018 when like 3 high end TVs will include the feature. Also, who said that console will support this feature? People are getting ahead of themselves.

 

[vpance]

So the panels next year are going to be a new generation of panel?

That's the ongoing rumor. LG will expand their OLED production capacity so prices should theoretically get better too..

2018 will be the “tick” year for LG. This is where we are likely to see redesigned new OLED panels. Perhaps capable of HFR (High Frame Rate)? Maybe, said LG. At IFA in September 2016, LG demonstrated HFR-capable OLED prototypes but these will not arrive until 2018 “at the earliest”, according to LG. If we had to guess, based on our talks with Neil, Nandhu, and several other LG representatives, we would say that HFR in 2018 seems very likely. HDMI 2.1 has laid the groundwork. Motion reproduction in the 2017 TVs is left more or less unchanged.

 

[Paragon]

You'd also need to have the game system you have or are buying to support HDMI 2.1 and VRR
For PC (which I find this to be most important for), that your PC Graphics card maker will support this. Nvidia loves the money they get from G-Sync licensing.
I don't really feel like buying another receiver, so fuck that.

I'll be upgrading my graphics card anyway if I'm buying a 4K 120Hz TV.
As for the receiver, I assume you could just use one HDMI connection from the GPU for audio and another for video to the TV? Most GPUs have four outputs now.
At least I hope that's the case, because I'm still only using HDMI to my TV and a sound card/DAC for audio right now, but was planning on upgrading for Atmos support.

We don't know if Game Mode VRR is an optional part of the spec yet, like Adpative-Sync is for DisplayPort. I certainly hope it's not.
I'd also hope that even if it is optional, NVIDIA does not consider televisions and projectors to be competing with their monitors.