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[FStubbs]

Ritter got started as a model. There may be unattractive models but people were willing to pay her money to wear clothes and walk around.

Huh. I thought she was John Ritter's daughter or something.

 

[Skellig Gra]

That doesn't address Asian American actors though. The two Asian characters were played by Foreign Asian stars.

And the Hispanic guy was born in Mexico I know. At the very least it shows you can make a successful movie with a diverse cast.

 

[TheGameshark]

I mean, she's not ugly, but Krysten Ritter isn't exactly a babe, either.

lol what the fuck

 

[lightskintwin]

And the Hispanic guy was born in Mexico I know. At the very least it shows you can make a successful movie with a diverse cast.

LOL But what does that have to do with this thread specifically about Asian Americans? I mean because the Black character in Rogue One was actually an African American actor in Forrest Whitaker.

 

[Kin5290]

That doesn't address Asian American actors though. The two Asian characters were played by Foreign Asian stars.

The cast of Rogue One were also completely

Spoiler

disposable

, so Disney doesn't get that much credit for making it diverse.

 

[kswiston]

LOL But what does that have to do with this thread specifically about Asian Americans? I mean because the Black character in Rogue One was actually an African American actor in Forrest Whitaker.

If we are focusing on Americans, he was one of the only Americans with more than one or two lines in that movie period. Ben Mendelsohn is Australian, Madds is Danish, Felicity Jones and Riz Ahmed are English. It was basically just Whitaker, Alan Tudyk, and some of the legacy characters from the Original Trilogy.

 

[Timbuktu]

That doesn't address Asian American actors though. The two Asian characters were played by Foreign Asian stars.

To be fair Donnie Yen was American until 2009. (I.e when he started making big bucks after Ip Man)

 

[Veedot]

Don't worry, he'll be getting work in another image comic adaptation.

Spoiler

Chew

Not even that, The writer of Chew John Layman says the show is dead.

https://twitter.com/themightylayman/status/847530135322451969

 

[Koozek]

Bobby Lee had really sad story about his type of stuff on fighter and the kid podcast.

https://youtu.be/Vn-vyWkc6w4

The whole podcast is worth watching some real shit goes down some funny shit goes down. But, Bobby Lee really did go through a ton of shit in Hollywood. His Steven Yeun story was sad.

starts talking about it 56 mins in.

Man, this is great. Dude's funny, interesting stories. Know him from the the Netflix show Love. Thanks for the link.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Ritter isn't attractive...


😃😆🤣😂😮

 

[PixelatedBookake]

There are definitely Asian-American stars out there to give roles too, so maybe a drama not unlike Empire that focuses on Asian-Americans getting into the film industry might be the right move. It could get a variety of actors from various backgrounds and manage to make a compelling story based on that. Given a good director and script I feel it would do great on streaming services.

 

[guek]

Why not? Blaxploitation films started out as independent films created by Blacks focusing on Black narratives with Black leads. There's nothing stopping the younger generation of Asian Americans saying "Fuck Hollywood" and working amongst themselves to create their own independent films focusing on themselves and proving there's a market for it that Hollywood is missing out on.

Would you say the same thing to women? "Do it yourselves" isn't always a practical solution.

The short answer is population size. African Americans have virtually never been less than 10% of the population with the low point being 9.7% in 1930. Asians only made up 5.6% of the population in the last census but even that is incredibly misleading. "Asian" is a broad umbrella term that encompasses multiple ethnicities. We're using the term Asian because it's easier, but it ignores how the community is fractured in ways African Americans are not.

That also leads into the fact that racial issues are not interchangeable between races, and I'm pretty tired of people either downplaying problems Asian communities face or suggesting they just do what black people have done in the past. Even if we ignore the fact that African Americans still have a representation issue in pop culture, African Americans face a slew of inequality problems unique to that demographic, as do Asians. You're also ignoring the world we live in and modern distribution models. Southern Californian Asians actually have made projects catering to Asian Americans, but the grassroots dissemination of cultural products in the 1970s is not applicable today. There is a glut of entertainment options, and unlike in 1970, poverty is no longer a major barrier that separates entertainment options. Even if it were, Asians do not face the kinds of systemic poverty and oppression that blacks did in 1970 which blacksploitation films responded to. Stuff like Master of None is way more nuanced in its discussion of racial barriers than say Shaft, primarily because the issues of race and representation have become increasingly complicated with time. That's why no one worth listening to responded to the #oscarssowhite controversy with "black people should go make their own oscars" or "black people should go make more blacksploitation films." Such an answer would be inherently offensive to African Americans, just as it is when those "solutions" are lobbed at Asians. Even stuff like Fresh of the Boat or Master of None required corporate backing, usually by a board of directors that consists of a bunch of old white dudes. You might as well say Asians should combat their lack of representation with Asian American produced YoutTube films which, surprise, already exist.

 

[lightskintwin]

If we are focusing on Americans, he was one of the only Americans with more than one or two lines in that movie period. Ben Mendelsohn is Australian, Madds is Danish, Felicity Jones and Riz Ahmed are English. It was basically just Whitaker, Alan Tudyk, and some of the legacy characters from the Original Trilogy.

My bigger point is Asian Americans wouldn't even be up for consideration due to their lack of visibility and representation in American media, so it's much easier to grasp foreign Asian stars to fill those diversity gaps, thus a reflection of the problem.

Would you say the same thing to women? "Do it yourselves" isn't always a practical solution.

The short answer is population size. African Americans have virtually never been less than 10% of the population with the low point being 9.7% in 1930. Asians only made up 5.6% of the population in the last census but even that is incredibly misleading. "Asian" is a broad umbrella term that encompasses multiple ethnicities. We're using the term Asian because it's easier, but it ignores how the community is fractured in ways African Americans are not.

That also leads into the fact that racial issues are not interchangeable between races, and I'm pretty tired of people either downplaying problems Asian communities face or suggesting they just do what black people have done in the past. Even if we ignore the fact that African Americans still have a representation issue in pop culture, African Americans face a slew of inequality problems unique to that demographic, as do Asians. You're also ignoring the world we live in and modern distribution models. Southern Californian Asians actually have made projects catering to Asian Americans, but the grassroots dissemination of cultural products in the 1970s is not applicable today. There is a glut of entertainment options, and unlike in 1970, poverty is no longer a major barrier that separates entertainment options. Even if it were, Asians do not face the kinds of systemic poverty and oppression that blacks did in 1970 which blacksploitation films responded to. Stuff like Master of None is way more nuanced in its discussion of racial barriers than say Shaft, primarily because the issues of race and representation have become increasingly complicated with time. That's why no one worth listening to responded to the #oscarssowhite controversy with "black people should go make their own oscars" or "black people should go make more blacksploitation films." Such an answer would be inherently offensive to African Americans, just as it is when those "solutions" are lobbed at Asians. Even stuff like Fresh of the Boat or Master of None required corporate backing, usually by a board of directors that consists of a bunch of old white dudes. You might as well say Asians should combat their lack of representation with Asian American produced YoutTube films which, surprise, already exist.

My point is it has to start somewhere at some time, because Hollywood is going to be slow to change without any precedent showing there's a legitimate market out there and even then it's interest is going to mild. You're making it more than what I actually said.

Change could happen now if the current successful Asian American/Western producers and directors cast more Asian Americans as leads in their films, yet alone cast them in any roles in their films.

 

[LakeEarth]

lol what the fuck

When discussing the new Thor trailer, someone on GAF called the 47-year old song Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin "dumb pop music". GAF can no longer surprise me anymore.

 

[Goliath]

Representation matters! I definitely sympathize with their plights. It is invaluable as a child to grow up and have someone who looks or grew up like you to look up to. However they are also a very small minority in the U.S. Still no excuse to not be represented but much larger minorities in the U.S. are under represented and poorly represented (Latinos). Diversity is good and hopefully the success of Moana, Rougue One, the new Star Wars and other movies with minority leads convinces movie studios to invest in a diverse cast.

 

[guek]

My bigger point is Asian Americans wouldn't even be up for consideration due to their lack of visibility and representation in American media, so it's much easier to grasp foreign Asian stars to fill those diversity gaps, thus a reflection of the problem.



My point is it has to start somewhere at some time, because Hollywood is going to be slow to change without any precedent showing there's a legitimate market out there and even then it's interest is going to mild. You're making it more than what I actually said.

Change could happen now if the current successful Asian American/Western producers and directors cast more Asian Americans as leads in their films, yet alone cast them in any roles in their films.

To be frank, your point is extremely condescending and offensive. If you want to be an ally, actually listen to what is being said, and recognize that the problem may not be as simple as you're making it out to be.

 

[lightskintwin]

To be frank, your point is extremely condescending and offensive. If you want to be an ally, actually listen to what is being said, and recognize that the problem may not be as simple as you're making it out to be.

I apologize if it comes across offensive because that's not my intent, but it's my opinion on how change can actually come about. Feel free to disagree. I understand the complications due to differing histories, culture, and ethnicity among the various groups of Asian Americans; however I'm optimistic the younger generation of "woke" Asian Americans are going to lead this charge.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Bobby Lee had really sad story about his type of stuff on fighter and the kid podcast.

https://youtu.be/Vn-vyWkc6w4

The whole podcast is worth watching some real shit goes down some funny shit goes down. But, Bobby Lee really did go through a ton of shit in Hollywood. His Steven Yeun story was sad.

starts talking about it 56 mins in.

Listening to those two on JRE is bad enough, but Bryan was such an asshole to Bobby, holy shit. You could see Brendan at least trying to hear Bobby out.

 

[guek]

I apologize if it comes across offensive because that's not my intent, but it's my opinion on how change can actually come about. Feel free to disagree. I understand the complications due to differing histories, culture, and ethnicity among the various groups of Asian Americans; however I'm optimistic the younger generation of "woke" Asian Americans are going to lead this charge.

I'm actually very encouraged by people like Aziz Ansari making shows like Master of None, but I'll stress again that Asian Americans really can't make major strides in the modern era of entertainment without corporate backing. Hollywood in particular doesn't give a fuck about Asians apart from pandering to China or filling diversity quotas.

 

[Tom Nook]

Bobby Lee had really sad story about his type of stuff on fighter and the kid podcast.

https://youtu.be/Vn-vyWkc6w4

The whole podcast is worth watching some real shit goes down some funny shit goes down. But, Bobby Lee really did go through a ton of shit in Hollywood. His Steven Yeun story was sad.

starts talking about it 56 mins in.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[lightskintwin]

I'm actually very encouraged by people like Aziz Ansari making shows like Master of None, but I'll stress again that Asian Americans really can't make major strides in the modern era of entertainment without corporate backing. Hollywood in particular doesn't give a fuck about Asians apart from pandering to China or filling diversity quotas.

Can't. It may be very difficult but I don't believe in can't.

Do you know how many low budget independent films are made each year and then rights are bought by corporate distributors?

You're gradually getting Asian American film networks built to support each other and fund films in the future. With the sheer amount of media platforms in need of content and the low barrier in film making, there's no better time than now.

I think you're vastly underestimating the potential for Asian American creators.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

it sounds like sucks to be an Asian American

I think that's the true answer, and what you meant to say.

 

[Bigfoot]

That doesn't address Asian American actors though. The two Asian characters were played by Foreign Asian stars.

Why does that matter tho? They are still Asian actors. The country they are from shouldn't matter when hiring.

It's like Samuel L. Jackson getting upset that British black actors are getting roles.

 

[Zoe]

Why does that matter tho? They are still Asian actors. The country they are from shouldn't matter when hiring.

It's like Samuel L. Jackson getting upset that British black actors are getting roles.

Because the entire point of the thread is the difficulties that Asian Americans face in getting roles.

There's also a difference in audience perception between a foreign actor playing their original nationality and playing an American.

 

[lightskintwin]

Why does that matter tho? They are still Asian actors. The country they are from shouldn't matter when hiring.

It's like Samuel L. Jackson getting upset that British black actors are getting roles.

My point was it doesn't address the lack of roles for Asian American actors, y'know the point of this thread. I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with those two actors being cast, it made sense and they were great in the roles.

 

[shintoki]

This.

Now's the time for an Asian American Shonda Rhimes, Melvin Peebles, Spike Lee, Ava Duvernay, Gina Pryce-Bythewood, John Singleton, F. Gary Gray, Hughes Brothers, Lee Daniels, etc... who will focus on creating Asian American narratives and/or cast Asian Americans actors. It will give Asian American actors a platform to be visible, help sustain their careers, and put them in positions to be cast in bigger budget mainstream films potentially as leads.

In a recent interview on Breakfast Club, Tyrese and Ludacris talked about if it wasn't for John Singleton casting both of them in 2 Fast 2 Furious, they wouldn't be part of one of the biggest franchises in the world right now. In Tyrese's case, he also talked about if it wasn't for John Singleton taking a chance and casting him as a lead in his film Baby Boy, he wouldn't be in a position to be cast in any of the films afterwards such as Transformers.



There's a great documentary on that subject that came out 10 years ago and I've linked below if you haven't seen it.

Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People



Preach. I keep saying this. Plus it's not as if there aren't successful Asain American/Western producers and directors. It's just a shame they tend to focus on White narratives and cast White actors.

I think not only is there a good market for Asian American films in America, but that there's potentially a big international market specifically in other Asian countries that could make it very lucrative.



Why not? Blaxploitation films started out as independent films created by Blacks focusing on Black narratives with Black leads. There's nothing stopping the younger generation of Asian Americans saying "Fuck Hollywood" and working amongst themselves to create their own independent films focusing on themselves and proving there's a market for it that Hollywood is missing out on.

The Asian American market has a drastically different set of hurdles needed to overcome.

You're not wrong about the directors behind the chair starting to weave in more actors. Chu's next project is Rich Crazy Asians, the first all Asian cast in a major Hollywood picture film since Joy Luck Club.

But bringing up some issues that exclusively effect Asians. They are the new emerging population. Better to say, Asian Americans don't have much history in this country. They aren't even 5% of the country yet, and were less than 1% 40 years ago. Blacks were 10%+ back in the 70's and Hispanics have grown more than anyone else. A lot of the directors you mentioned also had groundwork to be built upon with directors prior. The current crop of Asian directors are basically the pioneers. They don't have the foundation yet, similar to Hispanic or Black directors, were they are the next generation of Black or Hispanic directors.

The lack of history hurts the pool of stories too. Ava is a good example, where both of her pieces right now dealt with fairly well known historical piece or issues. Asian Americans still being new, don't have historical stories like that to rely on. The Japanese internment camps maybe a sentence in a history book, while stuff like the Civil War or Civil Rights are American History staples, where many of the most popular films comes from. It's definitely easier to get a MLK film made because of the mass appeal and knowledge, in comparison to a Chinese family "immigrating" over here in the early 20th century. Where the material could easily make for a fantastic film, but every studio would question if it's marketable.

I do believe the death of Lee hurt the development of Asians in films too. What he brought over was heavily cultural Asian, but with his death, basically Whites and Blacks took over. They lost out on their Stereotypical, but cultural boom that should of been theirs, where non-Asian actors created theirs careers from it following

Yet it's also like a loaded gun for them too. By being still new, many still identify with being Chinese or Japanese, rather than American. Chu was discussing it that, unlike White or Black actors, where no one gives a shit if Fassbender is playing an Englishman, or Southern Racist, when he is German. There are still issues with casting a Chinese person as a Japanese and so forth. Pretty interesting read here. There is definitely that double standard here that isn't an issue in American films, but more of an issue overseas. It's something that needs to be resolved more inside then out.

China is also a massive double edge sword. Chinese companies are heavily investing in Hollywood movies, they want Chinese Stars, not Asian American. China is also the 2nd biggest movie country and will probably be the biggest. Who are not an open market, but require certain requirements to be meant and also shown to ban movies off idiotic things like casting decisions. I feel like this is going to hurt them more going forward. Because instead of just fighting for equal representation in the US, they also have to fight for it overseas too now. To a Hollywood company, having a Chinese star is just as good as an Asian American star. Actually, it's better since it opens more doors. All Asian American actors have a two front battle moving forward.


On a side note,


While you bring up Singleton for 2F2F, Lin and Morgan were the ones driving the franchise from 3 on. Lin when directing 3, wanted script control, because the initial one given was the typical foreign outlook on Asia. He wanted something that would go against the stereotypes and something more modern. That entire cast is eating now thanks to him and his push for this in the franchise. I think he helped tone down their characters too from 2F2F, to what we have now.


Sorry if everything is a bit messy, lost my original work prior due to an internet refresh.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

yea but then they played that submissive Asian wife trope to the max

wait what!?!?! did you even watch this show? she was not a "submissive asian wife" in the show. she loved her husband yes....but when they told her story, it was FAR from the trope of a submissive asian wife.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Still haven't seen that movie yet, but want to check it out. The problem is Justin Lin moved away from these type of films immediately and went on to make very successful Hollywood studio films (Fast and Furious franchise) that's ironically diverse but didn't really help create Asian American stars or change the system.

um...because of Justin Lin we got Han Seoul-Oh.....

Because hollywood didn't want to make him a star, has nothing to do with Justin Lin. Justin lin did what he could.

 

[lightskintwin]

The Asian American market has a drastically different set of hurdles needed to overcome.

You're not wrong about the directors behind the chair starting to weave in more actors. Chu's next project is Rich Crazy Asians, the first all Asian cast in a major Hollywood picture film since Joy Luck Club.

But bringing up some issues that exclusively effect Asians. They are the new emerging population. Better to say, Asian Americans don't have much history in this country. They aren't even 5% of the country yet, and were less than 1% 40 years ago. Blacks were 10%+ back in the 70's and Hispanics have grown more than anyone else. A lot of the directors you mentioned also had groundwork to be built upon with directors prior. The current crop of Asian directors are basically the pioneers. They don't have the foundation yet, similar to Hispanic or Black directors, were they are the next generation of Black or Hispanic directors.

The lack of history hurts the pool of stories too. Ava is a good example, where both of her pieces right now dealt with fairly well known historical piece or issues. Asian Americans still being new, don't have historical stories like that to rely on. The Japanese internment camps maybe a sentence in a history book, while stuff like the Civil War or Civil Rights are American History staples, where many of the most popular films comes from.

I do believe the death of Lee hurt the development of Asians in films too. What he brought over was heavily cultural Asian, but with his death, basically White and Blacks took over. They lost out on their Stereotypical, but cultural boom that should of been theirs, where non-Asian actors created theirs careers from it following

Yet it's also like a loaded gun for them too. By being still new, many still identify with being Chinese or Japanese, rather than American. Chu was discussing it that, unlike White or Black actors, where no one gives a shit if Fassbender is playing an Englishman, or Southern Racist, when he is German. There are still issues with casting a Chinese person as a Japanese and so forth. Pretty interesting read here. There is definitely that double standard here that isn't an issue in American films, but more of an issue overseas.

China is also a massive double edge sword. Chinese companies are heavily investing in Hollywood movies, they want Chinese Stars, not Asian American. China is also the 2nd biggest movie country and will probably be the biggest. Who are not an open market, but require certain requirements to be meant and also shown to ban movies off idiotic things like casting decisions. I feel like this is going to hurt them more going forward. Because instead of just fighting for equal representation in the US, they also have to fight for it overseas too now. To a Hollywood company, having a Chinese star is just as good as an Asian American star.


On a side note,


While you bring up Singleton for 2F2F, Lin and Morgan were the ones driving the franchise from 3 on. Lin when directing 3, wanted script control, because the initial one given was the typical foreign outlook on Asia. He wanted something that would go against the stereotypes and something more modern. That entire cast is eating now thanks to him and his push for this in the franchise. I think he helped tone down their characters too from 2F2F.


Sorry if everything is a bit messy, lost my original work prior due to an internet refresh.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said, I've always said the biggest hurdle will always be America's history and culture primarily being literally Black and White. That's why I said, despite the changing demographic shifts, I still think it's going to be a while before American media, especially film, really reflects that.

And I definitely agree the death of Lee hurt, however we didn't really even try to create an Asian American martial arts film market, but instead exported out to China for it. Ernie Reyes Jr was doing his thing as kid; but I'm surprised nobody backed him as an adult as a lead in a Hollywood martial arts film at least once.

Obviously Lin was the one that turned that franchise around, but my point was a Black director made a conscious decision to put on two Black actors a long time ago which consequently lead to them being in a position to be part of one of the biggest franchise in the future.

 

[antibolo]

First thing that came to mind when I saw this thread

 

[shintoki]

I pretty much agree with everything you've said, I've always said the biggest hurdle will always be America's history and culture primarily being literally Black and White. That's why I said, despite the changing demographic shifts, I still think it's going to be a while before American media, especially film, really reflects that.

And I definitely agree the death of Lee hurt, however we didn't really even try to create an Asian American martial arts film market, but instead exported out to China for it. Ernie Reyes Jr was doing his thing as kid; but I'm surprised nobody backed him as an adult as a lead in a Hollywood martial arts film at least once.

Obviously Lin was the one that turned that franchise around, but my point was a Black director made a conscious decision to put on two Black actors a long time ago which consequently lead to them being in a position to be part of one of the biggest franchise in the future.

I get it now, Same reason why Lin had Han stay in. Who has been probably the most progressive Asian star in a major film. It's a damn shame they killed him off. But he didn't play up on the stereotypes and he got the girl.

I agree with the other two parts too. Missed the bit about it changing, but it will change, just going to be a while.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

LoL what world am I living in where Jessica Jones is being used as an example of someone who's not strikingly beautiful?? LoL LoL dafuq..

Anyways... this No Small Parts video on James Hong touches on this really well a few different times. I would suggest giving it a watch. Some good perspective in there.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

I get it now, Same reason why Lin had Han stay in. Who has been probably the most progressive Asian star in a major film. It's a damn shame they killed him off. But he didn't play up on the stereotypes and he got the girl.

I agree with the other two parts too. Missed the bit about it changing, but it will change, just going to be a while.

well, my thinking of it is, No one knew Fast and furious would become what it was today...

When they were making Tokyo Drift, They killed off Han because I have a feeling they just thought it was going to be a singular story, not something that would be tied into a bigger story and that the franchise would be turned into Ensemble Heist films ala Oceans Eleven.

After it did go in that direction, they had to kill off Han or it makes no sense based on their story and timeline. If they knew this is where Fast and Furious was going to go, I bet they would have never killed off Han in Tokyo Drift.

with that said, they could always bring him back, they brought back Letti (Spelling?).

 

[lightskintwin]

um...because of Justin Lin we got Han Seoul-Oh.....

Because hollywood didn't want to make him a star, has nothing to do with Justin Lin. Justin lin did what he could.

What up Fixed.

Don't get me wrong, he did good on that; however do you think he's done enough in general? Or he's doing only what he can? Also I'm acknowledging Justin Lin isn't obligated too either, just want to get your opinion on the matter.

 

[Madness]

I like how a lot of you care more about Krysten Ritter's attractiveness and the thread derail than the topic on hand. More outraged that someone says she isn't attractive...

 

[EdibleKnife]

I like how a lot of you care more about Krysten Ritter's attractiveness and the thread derail than the topic on hand. More outraged that someone says she isn't attractive...

It's really irksome.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I dont usually watch modern hollywood drivel. But I did give that Kong Skull Island dross a chance. I noticed there was an Asian nerd there, and a black nerd too. I didn't know what purpose they served but, Asian nerd spotted.

Skull Island had some god damn awful music choices in it too, yeah they're great songs, but in my eyes it just seemed like overplayed & safe songs from the vietnam era.

Also that krysten ritter lady is an attractive woman. When she's not drowning in her own vomit

 

[lightskintwin]

Y'know what's crazy is how immensely popular a lot of Asian American personalities and Youtube content is and nobody taking any chances either casting them or creating a TV show around them. I think it boils down to nobody ever trying to test if there's a market for it and people hesitating to be the first.

 

[antibolo]

I like how a lot of you care more about Krysten Ritter's attractiveness and the thread derail than the topic on hand. More outraged that someone says she isn't attractive...

That's a pretty silly accusation. Of course a troll post will attract replies. That's the reality of any topic on this forum.

 

[Buckle]

Steven Yuen still breaks my heart.

Yep.

Spoiler

Stupid fucking decision to follow the comics on that one.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Y'know what's crazy is how immensely popular a lot of Asian American personalities and Youtube content is and nobody taking any chances either casting them or creating a TV show around them. I think it boils down to nobody ever trying to test if there's a market for it and people hesitating to be the first.

In terms of Hollywood conceptions, or preconceptions. They don't have the "physique" like you're not going to get someone built on par with Chris Pratt. Unfortunately I believe that there is also a racist bias around the idea of "the eyes being a window to the soul" and that the kind of physical difference in eye shape between Asians and Whites, is different with the white mans eyes being preferred due to being more "open".

For women, there's that eye thing, and also they don't suit what is considered "hot in hollywood" The Asian boobs aren't big enough nor are the curves dare I assume.

So for example, there isn't an Asian actress out there thats anywhere close to bankable as Emma Watson or Scarlett Jo. Or on par in Hollywoods idea of Camera Beauty.

So naturally, they'll all be characterized as lesser looking and will predominantly find themselves in the "odd ball" character class. I think it's getting better though.

 

[lightskintwin]

In terms of Hollywood conceptions, or preconceptions. They don't have the "physique" like you're not going to get someone built on par with Chris Pratt. Unfortunately I believe that there is also a racist bias around the idea of "the eyes being a window to the soul" and that the kind of physical difference in eye shape between Asians and Whites, is different with the white mans eyes being preferred due to being more "open".

For women, there's that eye thing, and also they don't suit what is considered "hot in hollywood" The Asian boobs aren't big enough nor are the curves dare I assume.

So for example, there isn't an Asian actress out there thats anywhere close to bankable as Emma Watson or Scarlett Jo. Or on par in Hollywoods idea of Camera Beauty.

So naturally, they'll all be characterized as lesser looking and will predominantly find themselves in the "odd ball" character class. I think it's getting better though.

I mean I think there's more to it than that. Because Issa Rae was discovered on her Youtube with lesser views, her show got picked up by HBO and she went on to be nominated for a Golden Globe. The reason I believe is because there's a proven market for Black or "Urban" media, therefore it's less risk. This hasn't really happened yet in TV or films for Asian American media with Fresh Off the Boat being an outlier.

No to mention, I don't want to generalize but I believe there's a significant percentage of White and Black men that think Asian women are hot.

 

[- J - D -]

And then you have the likes of Ken Jeong embarassing himself and Asian Americans for a laugh. They just can't get a win.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I like how a lot of you care more about Krysten Ritter's attractiveness and the thread derail than the topic on hand. More outraged that someone says she isn't attractive...

It's kind of related. The fact that some people present Kristen Ritter being cast as the lead in a television show as some kind of "diversity" is probably why real, meaningful diversity is so hard to come by.

 

[boiled goose]

yea but then they played that submissive Asian wife trope to the max

They played the submissive wife and sexist husband trope. The characters became well developed, but they weren't trope breaking.

 

[The Artisan]

I think that's the true answer, and what you meant to say.

yeah you're probly right.

edit: I guess subconsciously what I meant to say is saying "Asian American" is throwing so many people of different races into one umbrella. there are asian people the way people are commonly known, there are middle eastern people and the middle east is located in asia, there's arab people, there's south asians whom i refer to as brown people, you know?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I mean I think there's more to it than that. Because Issa Rae was discovered on her Youtube with lesser views, her show got picked up by HBO and she went on to be nominated for a Golden Globe. The reason I believe is because there's a proven market for Black or "Urban" media, therefore it's less risk. This hasn't really happened yet in TV or films for Asian American media with Fresh Off the Boat being an outlier.

No to mention, I don't want to generalize but I believe there's a significant percentage of White and Black men that think Asian women are hot.

Yeah you can be hot, but are you Hollywood Camera Pretty. Like I asserted, there are zero Asian female actresses that are even slightly close the star level of any big name white actress. Is that a product of systemic racism, or is it the product of aesthetic preference of film makers? Or are they both the same.

I don't know whether Hollywood has think tanks, or methods of data analysis that show what actresses are middle of the road bankable to all audiences.

But my guess is white hotness overpowers all, it's become so systemic it's almost accepted in normalcy in most cultures...

 

[Doran902]

The sad truth about entertainment is that selling tickets will always trump talent or representation.

 

[pHand]

I really liked that The Good Place had such a diverse cast. I wish more shows did that (and if possible with more diversity among leads for that matter).

"Everyone thinks I'm Taiwanese. I'm Filipino. That's racist. Heaven is so racist." Jianyu is a national treasure.

And NBC must have a rule that there must be at least one Filipino on each of their sitcoms.

 

[Gully State]

The sad truth about entertainment is that selling tickets will always trump talent or representation.

But there's proof that diverse casts sell tickets