Was I the only one that thought this when 17 stared down that kamehameha
Alone and training in a place with no special conditions like King Ka's or the time chamber?
Yes.
oh shit, Uub's back? or is he not canon?
He's been canon for decades lol. He's around but just too young at the moment. We'll almost assuredly see more of him once some time passes.
Did we know 17 started a family prior to this episode?
Did we know 17 started a family prior to this episode?
I don't longer care about it. This retarded episode ruined the arc for me and possibility the show as well.
I don't know what the fuck were they thinking.It breaks every single arc after the Cell one.
it's what convinced 18, I guess he figured he'd give it a shot.Why goku out here lying about prize money lol
Why goku out here lying about prize money lol
so 17's not convinced yet, Vegeta hasn't been convinced yet, we haven't even seen Tien or Roshi yet, and there's still gotta be the Gohan/Piccolo episode(s)...
so it's looking like there will be 30+ episodes between the defeat of Zamasu and the start of this tournament. jeez.
it's what convinced 18, I guess he figured he'd give it a shot.
easier than saying "everything gets erased by some child god if we lose"
Tien was able to stay, somewhat, relevant the whole series doing just that.Piccolo and Goku got a lot stronger between the end of Dragon Ball and the start of Z with regular training. At least in terms of techniques. Everyone had a huge leap between Radditz and the arrival of the other Saiyans while doing regular training as well and they were on Earth.
I like this version of 17's personality a lot more than the OG Z version.
Cool episode. The fight was fairly fluid, though the models were kinda hit & miss for a bit.
I'm honestly shocked they flat out mentioned Uub in this episode.
I think we might really be seeing a timeskip.
I think it's best we'll split this arc up in "The tournament recruitment arc" and the actual tournament. It's fine by me though, I like these recruitment episodes.
I really don't see the problem with SSBlue getting trivialized. Vegeta thought SSJ1 was hot shit at the start of the Cell arc before 18 destroyed his dignity. This just reinforces the theory that Goku is getting a new form this arc.
I really don't see the problem with SSBlue getting trivialized. Vegeta thought SSJ1 was hot shit at the start of the Cell arc before 18 destroyed his dignity. This just reinforces the theory that Goku is getting a new form this arc.
Good episode butI'm really surprised by 17's strength, it's absolutely shocking. SSG isn't special at all, saiyan transformations are overrated, that's one problem with Super. I mean they did it right with Frieza turning gold and Rose Goku Black, that's special, but man it is what it is. I gotta adapt to that.
Yeah SSBlue has been pretty lame overall if even 17 surpassed it. Like what the hell lol. Supers power jumps and scaling are ridiculous but hey lets see how it goes.
I really don't see the problem with SSBlue getting trivialized. Vegeta thought SSJ1 was hot shit at the start of the Cell arc before 18 destroyed his dignity. This just reinforces the theory that Goku is getting a new form this arc.
I'm honestly pretty happy with power levels and forms mattering less in Super. They were always the least fun part of DBZ.
Anywho, this was a fun episode, and people fighting at sundown is my jam.
I really don't see the problem with SSBlue getting trivialized. Vegeta thought SSJ1 was hot shit at the start of the Cell arc before 18 destroyed his dignity. This just reinforces the theory that Goku is getting a new form this arc.
Those gains pale in comparison to 17's. They are not even comparable.
I'm honestly shocked they flat out mentioned Uub in this episode.
I think we might really be seeing a timeskip.
The deepest lore, indeed.
Man if they keep up some of this crap in Super it may get rated worse than GT by me.
17 in no way should be even close to SSJ2 levels and I could care less what any 17 fans think. At least GT is consistent.
Insane power levels have been more damaging than beneficial to the world of Dragon Ball. It's good non-Saiyans can be important. I hope 17 has no transformation at all. I'm glad he can hang with Goku
It is weird how uneventful SSJG and SSJBlue ended up being, but an arc where 17, 18, Krillin, Tien and Piccolo can be relevant is more important to me than an arc where SSJ Blue set Goku and Vegeta miles upon miles ahead of all characters except for the Big Bad of the arc
Insane power levels have been more damaging than beneficial to the world of Dragon Ball. It's good non-Saiyans can be important. I hope 17 has no transformation at all. I'm glad he can hang with Goku
It is weird how uneventful SSJG and SSJBlue ended up being, but an arc where 17, 18, Krillin, Tien and Piccolo can be relevant is more important to me than an arc where SSJ Blue set Goku and Vegeta miles upon miles ahead of all characters except for the Big Bad of the arc
It's been fairly substantiated and has only been made a joke during this arc. Trunks wasn't able to even touch Vegeta when he was SSB, the Gods of Destruction and Kais were literally shitting themselves that Goku had that power. The only people up until now that have been able to withstand it are extremely powerful foes. Hit for example has been an assassin that kills for over a thousand years, even if not as strong knows how to fight. Black was the same being as Goku.Blue never really felt like (to me anyway) a well defined scale to begin with, due to how nebulous its introduction was in the first place.
The problem is it's completely unbelievable at this point that those characters could ever get that strong. Introducing new characters is something they have always done in order to keep it going.
Just like in Super outside of Golden Frieza we've had pretty much all new characters as far as fighters. It's basically been how it's gone forever and there is no reason for them to change it up now. They have the tools to make the old characters relevant without needing them to be all-powerful but going the opposite route doesn't make the show more interesting. It does the opposite and damages it.
The best example being that even though Krillin being substantially weaker than Gohan beat him with a technique since the rules didn't need you to physically destroy your opponent, rather knock them off the stage making it objective based. Going that route would have been far far more interesting and instead it just makes it a chore and painful to watch. Even GT didn't make that mistake.