MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Do I need to get UHD Blu-ray discs or are all Blu ray discs are the same?
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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vpance
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I would feel better about jumping into UHD Bluray if something like Planet Earth came out every 2 months or something. Most movies bore the shit out of me these days. Could not finish the latest Star Trek.
When BD first came out I bought maybe a dozen or so titles, then started renting via Zip. After that died I stopped watching altogether and mostly watched movies via paid cable and Netflix. Much worse quality but I just started to care less.
When I see HQ 4K content now I'm impressed way more than I was with BD, but I fear that will wear off soon.
When BD first came out I bought maybe a dozen or so titles, then started renting via Zip. After that died I stopped watching altogether and mostly watched movies via paid cable and Netflix. Much worse quality but I just started to care less.
When I see HQ 4K content now I'm impressed way more than I was with BD, but I fear that will wear off soon.
They are not all the same.
UHD Blu-Ray discs can play only on UHD Blu-Ray Players like the Xbox One S or the Samsung UBDK8500.
Normal Blu-Ray discs can play on either normal Blu-Ray Players or UHD Players.
All UHD Blu-Ray players can upscale normal Blu-Ray discs to 4k.
Some normal Blu-Ray players can also upscale normal Blu-Ray discs to 4k.
Upscaling quality will depend on the player.
Thebeardofknowledge
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It will be the same UHD drive. Buy a standalone.
absolutely. I want to pull the trigger soon and need a deciding factor on Sony vs. LG.
theifofdreams
Member
This is where I'm at as well, lol.
I'd say pretty feverishly, the 65"s seem to be getting pretty hard to find in the US. It would take two weeks for delivery to my local BB. 55" seem more available.
Can you give me some objective proof or is just your feelings. Your responses so far have been nothing but fanboy drivel. I would take the Xbox One over the Phillips UHD blu-ray in a heartbeat. Especially going forward. You think OS updates don't matter? You forget how many blu-ray discs that were newer would struggle on your blu-ray player until it was updated even post BD 2.0 profile. The Xbox One S is objectively a good player, the cheapest option and the one that will be updated the most going forward. If you want a standalone buy a standalone. If you can't afford the increase in price, buy the Xbox One S and then take note of the hyperbole of some posters.
I am literally telling you, I worked Best Buy home theatre for over 2+ years, I was heavily involved in AVSForum during the format wars of blu-ray and HD-DVD and have been involved in several tech threads on GAF even. The player is a good player, especially at the price. Like I have said, I noticed little to no discernible quality beyond my Xbox one S and my cousin's husbands Oppo beyond Xbox One S being slightly louder. What will make a bigger difference is the television you use and how you calibrate. Use facts not feelings.
Scorpio should be a purchase for the games and increased power. They did say it will use a better scaler, but so far nothing I have read about the drive so I won't pull tales from my ass and give you definitive statements that won't exist. I would probably recommend a standalone at that point depending on price.
http://4k.com/gaming/review-microso...ing_wp_cron=1491899216.2548859119415283203125
http://m.highdefdigest.com/news/sho...r-but-the-4k-video-streaming-needs-help/33836
It isn't the dogshit player some would have you think.
Theonik
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It's not very good. When it first came out it was kinda outpricing decent UHD players at the expense of features and performance. It has since caught up somewhat it terms of features but it also lost its price advantage in the meantime. Scorpio is going to be the same software and drive most likely so won't be better. Assuming it hits at $499 as is likely you will be better off with a dedicated player. Unless of course you want the Scorpio for games.
I do want the Scorpio for games, but will only buy one if it's priced at $400.
I've pretty much always used a game console for movie playback, but I've also never owned a television as superb as the B6. It's difficult for me to justify $200 on a standalone player if I plan to potentially be grabbing a console with the feature built in.
All of this being said, I really want some demo worthy movie material as soon as possible.
DOT DASH DOT
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When an 4K Blu player can't work out how to display the very thing that makes 4K Blu's special (HDR) it then becomes impossible to endorse such a product! And that's without some lovely error codes thrown in the mix too, I could handle the error codes.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Gawd your post is fucking embarrassing. Fanboy drivel over a UHD drive ? Get real kid.
1. Go read literally any forum thread or review for the UHD player and you will see all the widespread issues.You got members here and in this very thread detailing there issues and everyone just shits on them with the same excuses. "Must be user error" "it's your tv" " it's your receiver" blah blah blah.
2. No difference between oppo and Xbox one S ? You obviously didn't learn shit at Best Buy those 2 years but I'm not gonna fault you because 99% of the employees don't know shit anyways. If you wanted me to take you seriously you shouldn't have said you didn't notice anything between the best players on the market and an console with a shit drive and poor execution just throwen in as an afterthought to use as bullet point.
3. are you really patting MS on the back for updates when it took them over 6 months To update shit that should have been there Day 1 ? And bitstream , atmos and DTS: X seems to be broken mess for a lot of people. Also I would bet money Xbox never gets a DV update.
4. You need a fucking app to play movies... A FUCKING APP which is a straight up joke.
no one with a straight face should be telling anyone that the Xbox one S is a "good" player or to get it over a standalone because it's passable video & audio wise at best. If you have properly calibrated tv and home theater you're throwing $200-$300 down the drain by buying an Xbox one S as a UHD player.
nillapuddin
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Okay, I'm on super mega high alert then.
Like previously suggested I hope I didn't miss my golden chance when it was 2500~ on slickdeals last month
I'd be very interested. I'm in no rush to get a UHD player, but with the inclusion of SACD support it's an attractive all-in-one. I've been keeping a PS3 connected solely for those discs, so if this serves both needs it would be a nice option.
Great contributions to the thread. For some reason you also seem to ignore the hundreds and hundreds of posts and posters who say they have great video or a great experience with the Xbox One S player. You are just pulling tales from your ass. You don't even own the player and you are dead set on letting others buy it for some reason. Yes I would pat MS on the back for updates when those standalones especially from Phillips are ghost towns going forward. You just watch.
And yes I didn't notice much if any difference with MY OWN FUCKING eyes using my own Mad Max UHD disc that I brought to my cousin's husbands house on the same KS8000 model television I have. You are pulling your own speculations and feelings from your ass. I am giving anecdotal experience but actual experience nonetheless. But you do you.
I can litetally give highlight 50 posts for the Samsung or Phillips of skipping issues, poor playback, build quality from amazon or avsforum. But it would fall on deaf ears.
The point is, you get a decent UHD olayer for sub $199, nothing more needs to be said.
About to pull the trigger on a LG E7 OLED55E7P. Feel like I've done my research and it ticks all the boxes I care about. I've got a somewhat strange setup, so 55' is the largest I can go, and the integrated sound bar in that model works well for my needs (separate sound bar or audio solution just wouldn't work well for my situation).
Anything I'm forgetting? TV seems to have great input lag times for gaming... and if I'm understanding correctly those input lag measurements apply when using 4k and HDR - which I'd be doing with a PS4 Pro.
Anything I'm forgetting? TV seems to have great input lag times for gaming... and if I'm understanding correctly those input lag measurements apply when using 4k and HDR - which I'd be doing with a PS4 Pro.
This is a terrible and likely bannable post. Learn how to discuss things with people without spewing insults and garbage like this.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Shoot me a pm I will be waiting for those 50 impressions
I don't know what I read, but I have a feeling you were in a very emotional and condescending head space when your wrote it. You were way out of line here.
The Xbox One S is more than just a UHD Blu-Ray player, and you know that. I'm telling you with a straight face, it's a good player. Is it as good as a dedicated, high end UHD player? Of course not, but it also does a hell of a lot more than those player can do, at the same price or less.
Thebeardofknowledge
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You're probably right but two members started off there post talking shit and others dogpiling DOT DASH DOT and it pissed me off.
So my bad
dragos495
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go for it! congrats on the decision! you will have an amazing tv!
nah dude, the users who also gave their opinion on the one s, myself included, were being respectful and helpful. you were not! listen to the guys above and calm down. if you feel "pissed off" again, go take a cold shower.
I've been on the OLED 2018 train for a while, however as of late, I'm really drawn to Sony's high end offerings - Z9D and XBR65X930E.
XBR65X930E is $3,299.99
OLED65C7P is $4,499.99
XBR65Z9D is $5,499.99
I swore I wouldn't buy another LCD, but that's because I'm on a shitty edge lit 2011 Samsung. The above aren't edge lit, save for the X930E, which is some kind of hybrid. I think it's a combination of some of the brightness issues I'm reading about OLED in comparison to the top LCD sets, and Sony's X1 Extreme processor. With 4k content being vary scarce it seems to me that processing and the handling of sub 4k content is crucial. By all accounts, Sony's processor is damn good.
And why are the 65'' versions of these TVs so much more than their 55'' counterparts, especially OLED
XBR55X930E is $2,299.99
OLED55C7P is $2,999.99
Z9D doesn't even bring its talents any lower than 65''
XBR65X930E is $3,299.99
OLED65C7P is $4,499.99
XBR65Z9D is $5,499.99
I swore I wouldn't buy another LCD, but that's because I'm on a shitty edge lit 2011 Samsung. The above aren't edge lit, save for the X930E, which is some kind of hybrid. I think it's a combination of some of the brightness issues I'm reading about OLED in comparison to the top LCD sets, and Sony's X1 Extreme processor. With 4k content being vary scarce it seems to me that processing and the handling of sub 4k content is crucial. By all accounts, Sony's processor is damn good.
And why are the 65'' versions of these TVs so much more than their 55'' counterparts, especially OLED
XBR55X930E is $2,299.99
OLED55C7P is $2,999.99
Z9D doesn't even bring its talents any lower than 65''
65's are nowhere to be found (at least, in my searching, locally here in Boston). Amazon seems to want to suggest 3rd party sellers, none of which tickle my trustworthy nose enough to take a gamble on.
I ultimately went Sony X900E for a week, then upgraded again to the X930E. Great TV's. Still a little sore about not finding a B6 in that timeframe though. Next TV in a few years will be OLED, for sure.
The crazy tech behind the "slim backlight drive+" in the Sony X930E is very good. Very very good. I am constantly looking for problems with this set and the only minor gripe I have found so far is a little blooming during the opening "Columbia Pictures" logo and again at the end credits while watching "Secret Life of Pets". I haven't played around with settings too much so there's still some final calibration left to complete. I'm expecting some minor tweaks might completely resolve the blooming I did see ...
Overall though, a very good alternative to the pricier OLEDS, particularly if you can snag it on sale for less than $3K (which should be coming in the next few weeks).
Another gripe regarding HDTV's overall - why is it that most all sets come with 4 HDMI ports, of which only 2 are fully 4K/UHD/HDR capable? And then, one of those ports happens to be the only HDMI port supporting ARC? I've found myself hunting viable HDMI switches because I need to plug 3 game consoles into one HDMI port, which is proving to be even more difficult with all the new tech and bandwidth requirements of HDR. Exhausting.
vpance
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Panel supply? Particularly for OLEDs which will supposedly improve next year, but generally that 65" premium is going to stick around.
Checked out the X930E some more at BB the other day. It really does a good job at dimming for an edge lit panel.
vpance
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OPPO UDP-203 vs Panasonic DMP-UB900: Picture Quality Comparison
Winner: UB900
This is Digital Foundry level scrutiny, but even in YT you can easily see the difference. Like the video says if you're going to pay that much these kinds of differences are noteworthy.
Winner: UB900
This is Digital Foundry level scrutiny, but even in YT you can easily see the difference. Like the video says if you're going to pay that much these kinds of differences are noteworthy.
Gorocketcat
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I'm a 2016 E6 owner, and have been loving it. Absolutely loving it. OLED changed how I watch and appreciate TV/Movies/Games.
I'd been trying to avoid the 2017...but the C7 has a nice fast 21 ms input lag. On paper, my 34 ms E6 seems slow and laggy by comparison. Damn. Now I'm wondering if it's worth upgrading, since 95% of what I do with it is games via consoles and pc.
I'd been trying to avoid the 2017...but the C7 has a nice fast 21 ms input lag. On paper, my 34 ms E6 seems slow and laggy by comparison. Damn. Now I'm wondering if it's worth upgrading, since 95% of what I do with it is games via consoles and pc.
I completely agree. I don't come to GAF for this kind of nonsense. Disgusting post.
Why do you say the bolded?
Z_Y
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You should eat a Snickers before posting on GAF, kid.
OT:
Saw this TV at Sam's and can't find any info about it all.
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-75UJ657A-4k-uhd-tv
Size and price ($2500) is perfect. Just would like to see some reviews. Don't know if this supports HDR though. Seeing some conflicting info on this model.
I now know when it feels like if non gaming enthusiasts watch a Digital Foundry video. Couldn't tell the difference in anything he was showing on the patterns lol.
Spartancarver
Member
Thanks for starting your post off with this, was a nice indication for me to not waste my time reading the rest of it.
Yappadappadu
Member
LOL, I know how you feel.
I have been playing Uncharted 4 MP on a E6 for a while and get the impression that I DO notice the difference in input lag compared to my old Sony LCD TV which has about the same 21 ms input lag that I could get with an 2017 OLED. Same goes for Nier: Automata on PC.
Will hook my PS4 Pro/PC back to the Sony TV and see how it goes.
I could get rid of the E6 without taking too much of a loss, but there's still the 3D that I might miss. Yesterday I watched Doctor Strange 3D, and it was nice enough that I'd probably miss it. Still, I game a lot more than watching 3D movies...
vpance
Member
I watched it on my TV but I had to take a second look at some of the scenes to spot the diff. On that one of the office building check the curtains in the windows. The Oppo one looked a bit smudged. It does give DF pixel peeping a run for their money though, yeah
BlitzerRadic
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How is BFI for gaming? Based on previous pricing history, I'm guessing this set is going to get a price drop some time in June and I'm probably going to replace my W900a with a X930E or Q7.
Sony historically has offered a price drop 3 months after release. If they follow the same pattern this year, the X930 should drop slightly in a few weeks time. The X900E enjoyed a $200 price cut for a few weeks (back up to regular price now).
HDTV review pegged the X930E at 24ms in 4K w HDR. I've been playing Ghost Recon Wildlands and Mass Effect multiplayer and can verify it's fast enough I can't notice any discernible lag. 1080p latency is a bit higher due to the additional work the upscaler needs to do but most of my gaming is (will be) PS4 Pro and Scorpio.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Thanks for the clarification!
I still see the $200 discount offered at Best Buy. That's awesome, I'm pretty sold on getting an X900E, X930E, or maybe even X940E (leaning towards this one the most!).
nillapuddin
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GAF I know its crazy, but I rolled the dice on a B6 Refurb from Walmart. There was 1 left in stock and I panicked.
They have a 30 day return policy that covers return shipping, I bought my Vizio from them as a Refurb in 2012 and have had nothing but great times with it.
I also bought my mothers TV through them and although they accidently send the wrong model at first, they covered free shipping both ways and discounted the final unit, so personally they are in my good graces.
My backup plan was that C6 ebay Daily Deal, but I really have to see the curve in person to know how Id feel about it.
Plus, the return on that makes me cover shipping + restocking fee ($500)..
Its definitely more than I wanted to spend, but ya know what, I'll have a few weeks to 100% decide, and more importantly I don't want these units to become impossible to find in the next month. I will gladly go through the return process to save a few hundred bucks.
Wish me luck GAF, TV arrives 5/3/17. Now I will panic check the internet every 5 minutes for the next 6 weeks to confirm to myself I made the wrong decision.
They have a 30 day return policy that covers return shipping, I bought my Vizio from them as a Refurb in 2012 and have had nothing but great times with it.
I also bought my mothers TV through them and although they accidently send the wrong model at first, they covered free shipping both ways and discounted the final unit, so personally they are in my good graces.
My backup plan was that C6 ebay Daily Deal, but I really have to see the curve in person to know how Id feel about it.
Plus, the return on that makes me cover shipping + restocking fee ($500)..
Its definitely more than I wanted to spend, but ya know what, I'll have a few weeks to 100% decide, and more importantly I don't want these units to become impossible to find in the next month. I will gladly go through the return process to save a few hundred bucks.
Wish me luck GAF, TV arrives 5/3/17. Now I will panic check the internet every 5 minutes for the next 6 weeks to confirm to myself I made the wrong decision.
Congrats, you bought a great TV
Been thinking of upgrading my TV to an OLED, specifically the B6 as well. I read on and on about the various input lags in these newer units and didn't even look into the lag on my current 2010 Samsung: 100+ ms on non-game mode and 60-70ms with, a mode which I've only recently discovered after all these years. The B6 would actually be an improvement for me even if the newer models are even better. I think for my budget this unit hits the sweet spot.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I talked about it awhile back, as I got one when it launched.
It's a perfectly good top-shelf Blu-ray player and the 4K UHD playback has the neat trick of having a slider you can adjust to change how the HDR to SDR conversion works if your 4K TV isn't HDR.
AVForums has released their review of Baby ZD9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUMcYbiZ4M
https://www.avforums.com/review/son...-hd-4k-hdr-tv-review.13316#sectionAnchor50382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkUMcYbiZ4M
https://www.avforums.com/review/son...-hd-4k-hdr-tv-review.13316#sectionAnchor50382
I don't know why AVForums use that extremely dull demo video on all their TVs.
Jigolo
Member
While I agree, having another resource reviewing is always good. HDTVtest has really uped their video production while always having a great written review.
He sites I use mainly are rtings, AVS, AV, and HDTVtest. Sometimes flatpanelshd but I appreciate all of them
ThoseDeafMutes
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If people can't be civil discussing Bluray players we will start banning. Jesus.