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[Stumpokapow]

Some quotes from other French notables; my very quick translations:

Raffarin (former prime minister, part of UPM/LR--the right party): It's a disappointment for many people in France; but the presence of MLP in the second round is incredibly bad news, and so without hesitation I appeal for everyone who feels the way I do to get behind Macron, and to elect parliamentarians who can counterbalance him. LR who believe in the values of this country should get behind Macron.

Baroin (lieutenant of Fillion, the UPM/LR candidate): In 2002 I lived to see the left erased from the second round, but I never thought I'd live to see the right, and the Gaullist politics that founded this Republic similarly erased. I myself am a Gaullist. MLP's project is chaos for the entire country. Personally, I will vote Macron.

Estrosi (president of regional council of the PACA area, part of the LR): I appeal to all citizens of our country to vote in favour of Macron; he is now the candidate for all Republicans.

Mariton (legislator for LR): I am sad that our ideas will not be represented in the second round. I will vote for Macron in the second round.

Fillion (presidential candidate for LR): Abstention is not in my genes, especially with an extremist party this close to power. The Front National is known for its violence and intolerance, and its platform will lead us to bankruptcy and Europe into chaos. Extremism will only bring sadness and divisions to France. There is no choice but to vote against the extreme right. I will vote for Macron, it is my duty to tell it to you straight.

 

[Magni]

He's a former banker who is anti-labor and against the welfare state.

You forgot the part about how his favorite hobby is clubbing baby seals.

 

[HaloRose]

Breaking news: Le Pen endorses Soros.
It's official: Le Pen had conceded and endorsed Macron.
thank you very much

 

[LordKano]

They got a point though. Look at what happened in the end:
Hamon, Poutou and Arthaud will tell people to vote for Macron, which is further away from their ideas than Mélenchon is.

There's not a single chance in earth Poutou will tell to vote Macron. Hamon already did tho.

 

[Mimosa97]

Some quotes from other French notables; my very quick translations:

Raffarin (former prime minister, part of UPM/LR--the right party): It's a disappointment for many people in France; but the presence of MLP in the second round is incredibly bad news, and so without hesitation I appeal for everyone who feels the way I do to get behind Macron, and to elect parliamentarians who can counterbalance him. LR who believe in the values of this country should get behind Macron.

Baroin (lieutenant of Fillion, the UPM/LR candidate): In 2002 I lived to see the left erased from the second round, but I never thought I'd live to see the right, and the Gaullist politics that founded this Republic similarly erased. I myself am a Gaullist. MLP's project is chaos for the entire country. Personally, I will vote Macron.

Estrosi (president of regional council of the PACA area, part of the LR): I appeal to all citizens of our country to vote in favour of Macron; he is now the candidate for all Republicans.

Mariton (legislator for LR): I am sad that our ideas will not be represented in the second round. I will vote for Macron in the second round.

Fillion (presidential candidate for LR): Abstention is not in my genes, especially with an extremist party this close to power. The Front National is known for its violence and intolerance, and its platform will lead us to bankruptcy and Europe into chaos. Extremism will only bring sadness and divisions to France. There is no choice but to vote against the extreme right. I will vote for Macron, it is my duty to tell it to you straight.

Are you french ?

There's a french mod on GAF ???

 

[Mass_Pincup]

They got a point though. Look at what happened in the end:
Hamon, Poutou and Arthaud will tell people to vote for Macron, which is further away from their ideas than Mélenchon is.

That's a bit rich coming from them when when Hamon asked for Mélenchon to fall back when he was in front they didn't want to do it.

 

[Kilrogg]

Already seeing some people on my Facebook feed either saying they're gonna abstain, that it won't be their fault if Le Pen ends up being elected, or saying that both candidates are fascists.

I'm shaking my head so hard.

 

[Tamanator]

He's a former banker who is anti-labor and against the welfare state.

Le Pen is more to the left on some economic issues than he is.

That's the real irony. Le Pen economically holds primarily socialist/protectionist policies whilst Macron is a free market economic liberal. It's why the left/right divide is never as clear as it seems.

 

[Magni]

Are you french ?

There's a french mod on GAF ???

I thought Stump was Belgian? But maybe I'm wrong

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

 

[whyamihere]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

LOL

 

[jWILL253]

If Le Pen wins this, the citizens of the West need to take a good, long look in the mirror.

Three separate countries going full self-destruct mode. Not okay.

 

[Kilrogg]

I thought Stump was Belgian? But maybe I'm wrong

I always thought he was Canadian?

So which is it? lol

 

[Gurgelhals]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

For that matter, the front page of the Huffingtonpost is a similar shitshow at the moment...

 

[EmiPrime]

They got a point though. Look at what happened in the end:
Hamon, Poutou and Arthaud will tell people to vote for Macron, which is further away from their ideas than Mélenchon is.

I disagree. Hamon isn't a Putin sympathiser and isn't for blackmailing the EU and potentially destroying it like Mélenchon is.

It's a false equivalency anyway. Stepping aside in the first round and endorsing someone in the second round are two very different things.

 

[Magni]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

CNN is such a steaming pile of shit. The only reason their reputation isn't total trash is because the US is because Fox News exists.

 

[Jisgsaw]

Who are those people dancing on France 2 ?

 

[GhostTrick]

I thought Stump was Belgian? But maybe I'm wrong

He's Canadian iirc.

I disagree. Hamon isn't a Putin sympathiser and isn't for blackmailing the EU and potentially destroying it like Mélenchon is.

It's a false equivalency anyway. Stepping aside in the first round and endorsing someone in the second round are two very different things.

Calling Mélenchon a Putin sympathiser is far fetched. As for the Blackmailing, how can you hope to win a deal if you claim that in the end, you will accept ?

 

[Jb]

4 people dancing in the FN HQ surrounded by half a dozen cameras.
Can it get any creepier?

 

[KingSnake]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

The English speaking media is so shitty right now if you're from continental Europe. US media like to make a shit show from everything and UK media has a fetish about dismantling of EU.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Estrosi (president of regional council of the PACA area, part of the LR): I appeal to all citizens of our country to vote in favour of Macron; he is now the candidate for all Republicans.

For the first time in the history of the universe, I agree with that scumbag. I feel dirty.

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

Lol, of course. They all desperately wanted another Trump.

 

[WeAreMirage]

...then why make an account on here in the first place?

I like this forum overall. I don't like it being so intolerant to people who are not that liberal or not left wing voters but that's ok.

Some time ago a user created a thread about about how intolerant gaf is to those who think diferent. A lot of people agreed...

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

They are not the brightest are they? Like those 2 on France 2 who railed against Hamon voters with the "vote utile" schtick (that is traditionally used against people like Mélenchon!) and threatened to abstain in the second round.

That was so cringy.
Having most of my friends voting Melenchon, and having voted Hamon myself, my fb feed look like hell right now.

 

[Xando]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

Of course they did.

American media has a clear agenda if you look at coverage of elections since Trump(Austria,Netherlands and now France).

 

[Mimosa97]

I thought Stump was Belgian? But maybe I'm wrong

Erf.

I thought we had finally made it fam

Oh well Walloons are our brothers anyway

 

[chromatic9]

Easy win for Macron.

Bit of a kicker for the real left wing and those who were adamant Le Pen would get smashed in the first round.

 

[ty_hot]

So now its between a extreme-right and a liberal-right candidates?

This is exactly the worst combination for a 2nd round, the only one that can lead to Le Pen winning.

And even if she doesnt win, a liberal as a president, against the welfare state... I'm sorry for the French people.

 

[Kilrogg]

Some quotes from other French notables; my very quick translations:

Raffarin (former prime minister, part of UPM/LR--the right party): It's a disappointment for many people in France; but the presence of MLP in the second round is incredibly bad news, and so without hesitation I appeal for everyone who feels the way I do to get behind Macron, and to elect parliamentarians who can counterbalance him. LR who believe in the values of this country should get behind Macron.

Baroin (lieutenant of Fillion, the UPM/LR candidate): In 2002 I lived to see the left erased from the second round, but I never thought I'd live to see the right, and the Gaullist politics that founded this Republic similarly erased. I myself am a Gaullist. MLP's project is chaos for the entire country. Personally, I will vote Macron.

Estrosi (president of regional council of the PACA area, part of the LR): I appeal to all citizens of our country to vote in favour of Macron; he is now the candidate for all Republicans.

Mariton (legislator for LR): I am sad that our ideas will not be represented in the second round. I will vote for Macron in the second round.

Fillion (presidential candidate for LR): Abstention is not in my genes, especially with an extremist party this close to power. The Front National is known for its violence and intolerance, and its platform will lead us to bankruptcy and Europe into chaos. Extremism will only bring sadness and divisions to France. There is no choice but to vote against the extreme right. I will vote for Macron, it is my duty to tell it to you straight.

Good. We need to make sure she doesn't make it.

At the same time, it always pains me to see people who I don't respect endorsing the dude I voted for (who I don't respect much more, but more nonetheles).

 

[yananana]

Jean-Marie Le Pen is talking now on BFM TV.

 

[Staf]

That's the real irony. Le Pen economically holds primarily socialist/protectionist policies whilst Macron is a free market economic liberal. It's why the left/right divide is never as clear as it seems.

Seems like the ideal candidate for me lol.

 

[Alx]

It's quite pitiful to see big heads of the LR completely unable to think out of their left/right opposition...

 

[Tamanator]

He's Canadian iirc.






Calling Mélenchon a Putin sympathiser is far fetched. As for the Blackmailing, how can you hope to win a deal if you claim that in the end, you will accept ?

Far-fetched? He's on the record stating his admiration for Putin. Same with the South American socialist despots. Melenchon in many ways was similar to Le Pen, without the anti-immigration/anti-Islam elements. Both are critical of the EU, and both hold socialist economic policies and are extremely anti-free trade/French Nationalist (leaving NATO etc).

 

[LordKano]

So now its between a extreme-right and a liberal-right candidates?

This is exactly the worst combination for a 2nd round, the only one that can lead to Le Pen winning.

And even if she doesnt win, a liberal as a president, against the welfare state... I'm sorry for the French people.

Please, if you don't know a lot about the French candidates you shouldn't make such definitive statements...

 

[SomedayTheFire]

I like this forum overall. I don't like it being so intolerant to people that are not that liberal or not left wing voters but that's ok.

Some time ago a user created a thread about about how intolerant gaf is to those who think diferent. A lot of people agreed...

If you can back up your arguments it's not. If you don't back them up you're going to have a bad time. Fairly simple distinction there imo.

It's not like Macron is even left wing for God's sake.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Any new numbers?

 

[BiggNife]

So now its between a extreme-right and a liberal-right candidates?

This is exactly the worst combination for a 2nd round, the only one that can lead to Le Pen winning.

And even if she doesnt win, a liberal as a president, against the welfare state... I'm sorry for the French people.

Wouldn't it have been far, far worse if the second round was Le Pen and Fillion? Macron is at least less conservative than Fillion and doesn't have a scandal hurting his reputation.

 

[Shahadan]

Why is Copé still there T_T
No one wants you anywhere, disappear

 

[EmiPrime]

Calling Mélenchon a Putin sympathiser is far fetched. As for the Blackmailing, how can you hope to win a deal if you claim that in the end, you will accept ?

Because either they call your bluff and you look like a massive twat back at home or you destroy everything to spare your own blushes.

Anyway it's irrelevant, Mélenchon isn't in the second round and thank god for that.

 

[Blackquill]

All these people that seems to "voter blanc" because Macron sucks

Don't do this, please

 

[KingSnake]

So now its between a extreme-right and a liberal-right candidates?

This is exactly the worst combination for a 2nd round, the only one that can lead to Le Pen winning.

And even if she doesnt win, a liberal as a president, against the welfare state... I'm sorry for the French people.

Holy ignorance.

 

[Jisgsaw]

So now its between a extreme-right and a liberal-right candidates?

This is exactly the worst combination for a 2nd round, the only one that can lead to Le Pen winning.

And even if she doesnt win, a liberal as a president, against the welfare state... I'm sorry for the French people.

Macron will have the little issue of having no majority in the parliament, so we'll be fine.
And that is if it were even true he is against the wellfare state.

 

[distantmantra]

I like this forum overall. I don't like it being so intolerant to people who are not that liberal or not left wing voters but that's ok.

Some time ago a user created a thread about about how intolerant gaf is to those who think diferent. A lot of people agreed...

Then share your views with us. As others have said as long as you're not espousing racist or bigoted views you'll survive. People may not like your beliefs and that's their right, but you still get to stay.

I will say that if you're afraid to share your beliefs, doesn't that say something about yourself? That maybe you're not totally comfortable with them?

 

[Stumpokapow]

I'm Canadian (although I don't live there right now).


Hamon (presidential candidate for Parti Socialiste, the left party): The Left is not dead. I know you are not waiting for a reboot or reformation from me, an old world politician. You told me you expect a rebirth. Tonight it will be painful, but tomorrow will be fertile for growth. But before that, we need to be conscious of the importance of the moment: I appeal to you to fight as strongly as possible the Front National, to fight the extreme right, by voting for Macron, even if he is not part of the left and will not represent the left tomorrow.

Cazeneuve (prime minister, PS): I solemnly appeal you to vote for Macron in the second round to beat FN, to help stop the disasterous project of Marine Le Pen to divide the French and regress France.

Ayrault (foreign affairs minister, PS): A clear choice: All the left, all the republicans must mobilize to vote for Macron, for France, for the Republic, and for Europe.

Valls (past prime minister, PS): Like in the first round, I will vote for Macron on May 7th. All must consider the gravity of the situation and come together, for France.

Duflot (Hamon deputy, PS): I will vote without hesitation for Macron. He will not win based on his platform, but on a message that needs to be said to all of our country together. We are at a very painful and very dangerous crossroads.

 

[Tamanator]

So now its between a extreme-right and a liberal-right candidates?

This is exactly the worst combination for a 2nd round, the only one that can lead to Le Pen winning.

And even if she doesnt win, a liberal as a president, against the welfare state... I'm sorry for the French people.

And it's most likely that the centre-right will control the legislature and thus the prime minstership. So overall the left will most likely be shut out of government.

 

[Mimosa97]

Anti-Macron and Lepen protests have already started in Rennes. If these idiots stay at home and don't vote in the second round we might end up with Marine as president. Sigh.

https://twitter.com/bleuarmorique/status/856228136303964160

 

[Xando]

Holy ignorance.

It's interesting how Macron is seen as center right on Gaf but generally is seen as center left here in germany.

 

[GhostTrick]

All these people that seems to "voter blanc" because Macron sucks

Don't do this, please

Eh, I'm actually thinking this way. Even though I think I'll fallback on Macron, what's about to come in the next 5 years isn't pretty.

 

[Magni]

Another common point between Clinton and Macron: hatred from both sides for opposite reasons:

Clinton was either a crazy liberal or a closet-conservative depending on who you listened to; and now Macron is either François Hollande #2, or an ultraliberal set out to destroy the welfare state.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

Far-fetched? He's on the record stating his admiration for Putin. Same with the South American socialist despots. Melenchon in many ways was similar to Le Pen, without the anti-immigration/anti-Islam elements. Both are critical of the EU, and both hold socialist economic policies and are extremely anti-free trade/French Nationalist (leaving NATO etc).

He had his fair share of islamophobic comment aswell, negating the own existence of islamophobia to begin with, playing dumb as always.

And yeah, Burkini being an offensive of salafism in France. LOL.

About immigration, he also said a lot of nasty stuff like his comment about french colonialism. Of course, it's not the same ideological "software", it's not nationalism but he certainly took some aspects of it.

 

[RPGCrazied]

In case anyone was wondering, CNN stopped even covering the election immediately after Le Pen spoke.

They destroyed themselves during our election. I don't see how anyone can watch them anymore. Cooper be damned.