We have no idea what in the fuck Griffith is really trying to do. I don't think Schrieke's magic is benevolent, it's just not actively malicious like that of the Idea of Evil's. It's nature magic, and I would actually think it'd get stronger rather than weaker from Griffith merging the two worlds, but who knows.
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Berserk |OT| - Big men, bigger swords, OFF THE BOAT - Berserk #344 24/6/2016
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We have no idea what in the fuck Griffith is really trying to do. I don't think Schrieke's magic is benevolent, it's just not actively malicious like that of the Idea of Evil's. It's nature magic, and I would actually think it'd get stronger rather than weaker from Griffith merging the two worlds, but who knows.
JadedWriter
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It does make me wonder why he's merging the worlds. I know it puts the Godhand more in the physical realm, but I'm not even sure if it really furthers whatever goal they even have. I guess if it puts them in this physical world then it just strengthens the evil force that controls them, but why is it just Griffith doing stuff? It's like the Godhand doesn't control the path of the ball, they only slightly nudge it in some random direction.
JadedWriter
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It does seem to explain why Griffith was the only member of the Godhand that went out of his way to keikaku up a way to regain his physical form. I'm pretty sure if Void could he would unless he's happy having a worse nose than Owen Wilson.
Part of the problem is that we don't know the story of the other Godhands. Griffith did it because he wanted his goddamn kingdom, and Falconia is him finally getting it. What did the other Godhands do it for? Have they enacted their motivations onto the world as well? Impossible to tell.
JadedWriter
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Slann just wants to fuck things in every orifice...that's all I got for you regarding Godhand motivation.
JadedWriter
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Slann's rated X Morrigan, how could I not find her attractive?
The Berserk world is also pretty interesting for the fact that the fantasical elements in many fantasy worlds are often fading away and outright disapearing. Fantastical races are either dying out or they're physically leaving the world like the Elves in Lord of the Rings and things like magic after often less effective if not disappearing outright. On top of this a lot of times humanity and the mundane real world take over or could even be the result of the issue in the first place, directly or indirectly.
Berserk the fantasy creatures, the magic and the fantastical are all coming back in a huge and sudden manner. I believe the world is actually returning to an older state where humanity co existed with the fantastic. However who know's if this is part of the plan for the God Hand or just a side effect of whatever it is they're doing by merging the layers of the world together.
Berserk the fantasy creatures, the magic and the fantastical are all coming back in a huge and sudden manner. I believe the world is actually returning to an older state where humanity co existed with the fantastic. However who know's if this is part of the plan for the God Hand or just a side effect of whatever it is they're doing by merging the layers of the world together.
That's actually a huge missing piece of the Berserk world I'd like to see more explored. We have no idea how things were 'back then'. We know Apostles and the Skull knight have been around for a long while, but we've never had the Guts explore the history or art of the world that could hint at what their culture was beyond "standard medieval land".
Kingkiller Chronicles has spoiled me with it's worldbuilding. Now, I want to learn about the fiction of every fictional universe and it annoys me when author's don't pay it any heed.
I would just like to point out that if Femto knew that skull knight would show up at the world tree/shiva thing where they made the rift, then the rest of the god hand had surely known also. I do think they are working together, just in their own different ways. Of course, this stems back to the conviction arc when Griffith was born again and not somebody else. There's still several unanswered questions from that arc that I think might never get around to, but oh well.
And that Gutffleck is amazing, gj guys
And that Gutffleck is amazing, gj guys
Tizoc
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Slann exiated before morrigan tho :x
Candescence
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Brings to mind the Nasuverse (Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai) where it is explicitly said that humanity existed with the fantastic during the "Age of the Gods" (aka the age of ancient myth), and "true magic" (aka the ability to perform literally impossible feats) was far more commonplace. Then King Solomon died, leaving behind the modern system of magic (magic was previously only enabled by the blessing of the gods, while Solomon constructed a system that even the common man could use), and the Age of the Gods declined over time, as mythical entities moved to the "reverse side of the world" over time (those who stayed behind either died out or were slain). The only fantastic elements that seem to be 'commonplace' in the verse at this point are mages and vampires, but both are secretive for very different reasons. The Nasuverse is pretty crapsack in its own ways (oh hey Gaia is going to die eventually and she wants humanity dead and gone when she does, so she's gonna call eldritch beings from other planets to come and exterminate us, etc), but it's more subtle due to the obscene amount of background worldbuilding detail constructed over several works.
I don't think there's been any fantasy story in recent memory or even within the last decade that has done such an abrupt shift from low fantasy to high fantasy without warning - hell, the former is rather trendy these days for whatever reason. But Berserk somehow manages to execute the shift believably without changing the tone of the story, though it does help that there were previously hints of high fantasy in the setting already.
The Omega Man
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We haven't seen Skully since then, he dun goofed so bad that, he lost his kakkoii points and went into hiding, it's been like 3 years since Miura hasn't drawn him again
JadedWriter
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Oh, I know this, it's just the only way I can describe Slann for some odd reason. It's either that or lewd demonic hotness.
Sumio Mondo
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We've certainly had hints at the history of the world though. I think Miura has been really good at showing back stories for a lot of characters, don't think that will change with the God Hand and Neo Band of the Hawk either (who are also shrouded in mystery).
We haven't seen Skully since then, he dun goofed so bad that, he lost his kakkoii points and went into hiding, it's been like 3 years since Miura hasn't drawn him again
Think it should be around this time when he'll show up again, especially with them being on the island and give Guts some sort of prophecy. Would be amazing if he turns up at the same time as Rickert, Silat and crew do though (or if they meet at some other place and Skully tells them where Guts and co are), would make for an interesting meeting - wonder if Skully would recognise Rickert again?
True Savior
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What did you guys liked more, the battle of clangs or the jazz music?
JadedWriter
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Guts' inner beast being the size of a puppy with Beast Wars era textures.
We haven't seen Skully since then, he dun goofed so bad that, he lost his kakkoii points and went into hiding, it's been like 3 years since Miura hasn't drawn him again
Can you lose something you have an infinite amount of?
Berserk is my go to destination for jazz music now.
True Savior
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I still can't wrap my head around the sax-choice. I just can't.
I can't wait for the polka music during The troll scenes.
True Savior
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The bar is set. Nothing is impossible.
But why am I surprised? They used a guitar shredding when Griffith was reborn in S1.
That part is actually faithful to the manga. The Berserk Armor really empowered the Darkness Pupper and made it unto a full Darkness Doggo.
JadedWriter
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I really need to reread the damn manga.
I had completely forgotten that part too
we should do some form of community re-read when this arc is finished (hah).It's setting up the porn music for Slan. It gotta be.
True Savior
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Most parts of the anime series are actually (very) faithful to the manga. They skip a lot of stuff, but usually everything put on the show is straight from Miura panels. It's just they forgot all the inbetweens. The page you posted, there's a sombre tone in it. A darkness emerging from that fire. Guts conflicts being materialized. Music, dialogue, expression, nothing in the show reinforces whatever the fuck is happening there. It looks like a puppy, ugly as sin, magically appears and a bunch of baloney is said. There's a shit music on the background with a choir and that's it. They seem more worried about replicating the tail wagging than whatever the scene is about.
Onto the next page.
A significant problem with this anime is how fast paced it is, so even when it's being faithful to the manga like with this scene, it rushes through it with such incredible speed that you really do not have much of an opportunity to digest things before other stuff starts happening. Take Guts assault on Casca - there's no buildup to it unlike in the manga. All of the strain and hardship that Guts has to endure from travelling with Casca is removed, and the scene is done and over in the span of a few seconds, so in the context of the anime his assault is presented as a brief moment of shock and then it's just sort of like "well, that happened". This is something that happens a lot in this anime, by the way. No matter how important or horrifying or emotional a scene is supposed to be, the anime never focuses on it for an extended period of time. There's very little sense that any of the characters are actually experiencing these things. Why should I care, then?
I think it's because they're just not that confident that they'll get another season, and with the limited amount of episodes they've been given to work with they're trying to fit in as much as possible. I really can't blame them for making the best of the situation, and if this anime creates new fans and brings in more readers, then all the better.
Sadly, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. Berserk, at it's core, is about the emotional atmosphere and the growth of Guts's character. If they weren't confident in that, than they shouldn't have agreed to take on the project in the first place. But I guess they needed work, and Young Press wanted a quick and cheap advertisement for the manga, so this is what we got.
JadedWriter
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Sad part is that Guts in this current anime really isn't even much of a character.
darkwing-buck
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Finally caught up I have a multitude of questions, first off when does 349 drop?
Do you guys think Casca's mind will be saved?
Also, what do you guys think Griffith's endgame is?
Lastly, how bad was the boat arc for y'all? I started reading this 6 weeks ago and it's been a hell of a ride. I can't imagine waiting years for another chapter.
I have a multitude of questions, first off when does 349 drop?Do you guys think Casca's mind will be saved?
Also, what do you guys think Griffith's endgame is?
Lastly, how bad was the boat arc for y'all? I started reading this 6 weeks ago and it's been a hell of a ride. I can't imagine waiting years for another chapter.
Finally caught up
Do you guys think Casca's mind will be saved?
Also, what do you guys think Griffith's endgame is?
Lastly, how bad was the boat arc for y'all? I started reading this 6 weeks ago and it's been a hell of a ride. I can't imagine waiting years for another chapter.
April 28 or 29 if I remember right. Some time during that week.
Yes. She has the most potential to turn the story on its head right now. What she might say, what she might do, whether Guts will go after Griffith again, the behelit...etc.
Just like Guts said, Griffith's means to achieve his goals are his endgame. If the other God Hand members are establishing their domains in the physical world too, they might start to clash together so Griffith might be setting his eyes on that.
I caught up in Sept/October last year so I don't know
This was my first hiatus and it was a grueling wait.darkwing-buck
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April 28 or 29 if I remember right. Some time during that week.
Yes. She has the most potential to turn the story on its head right now. What she might say, what she might do, whether Guts will go after Griffith again, the behelit...etc.
Just like Guts said, Griffith's means to achieve his goals are his endgame. If the other God Hand members are establishing their domains in the physical world too, they might start to clash together so Griffith might be setting his eyes on that.
I caught up in Sept/October last year so I don't know
Do you think Casca might still hate Guts after what he almost did to her?
My thoughts are if the beast of darkness appears in Casca's dream than I'd say she would have some memory of what Guts did and she would still harbor some fear or hatred towards him. Can't wait for the next chapter ~_~
Just caught up with the last two chapters. Really enjoyed the latest one, finally seems like we're getting close to some resolution on Casca. I really hope she gets her mind back because old Casca is infinitely better than dopey Casca. And I think it would be cool for Guts to be travelling with someone from the Band of Hawk days again.
Next week, the 28th
cryptosporidium
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu I thought it was out tomorrow
It usually leaks in korea a day or two earlier so spoilers will get out before raws do, let alone a translation. Realistically we'll know about and/or see the episode Wednesday in the US.
Tizoc
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Gracias
Kyleripman
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Almost caught up. Enjoying the sea god arc (I find the whole boat storyline a little more compelling than Ganishka tbh) but this pirate captain is a little too goofy.
RadioHeadAche
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Has anyone listened to Sullkast? Is it worth my time? Admittedly, I don't know much about that forum.
That's kinda on the low side, no? Is it 9 two page spreads?
Single pages