He was talking about the Wyrmhero Blade, which is more of a trophy than the actual strongest weapon of the game.
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Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age - 2017 Spring Trailer
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YankeeDonB
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I don't find it difficult to interpret. I just find it tiresome how it keeps tripping over itself and robbing dialogue of any kind of engaging flow. And it's not like it adds an interesting sub-rosa layer of meaning. Shakespeare this ain't. It's just stylistic window dressing.
That said, I'll still take FF XII's localization over P5's, for sure!
Man Called Aerodynamics
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I absolutely love that the trailer begins with the sound of Ashe breathing. So true to the game.
KyanMehwulfe
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Everytime I see cutscenes from this game it's a pleasure... the dialogue is like silk that never wears.
Judge Bergan and Marquis Ondore in particular I think I'll never tire of watching their words dance.
A lot of the parallel development of Ashe and Vaan's similar delusions of grander as coping mechanism are portrayed by just quickened breaths or gritted teeth.
The cutscene directors did wonders with emotion nuance.
Ashe and Vaan in particular at the Ridorana Cataract is probably one of the most important, but it serves so much of the charm of the story, too, like the Balthier 'ah' above or the way Vaan is caught staring at Fran but then darts his eyes ... and those eyes dart and then hold once he gains his composure.
It's really well done and I think the game doesn't get enough credit for its cutscene directing. Even the way the game often uses Vaan, Penelo, and Larsa as background symbolism. Engaged in jokes or play in the background, they serve as a symbol of 'what they're fighting for' against the foreground of Basch and Ashe discussing that precise thing -- what they're fighting for. The same symbolism is used with Ashe and Balthier at Phon Coast.
It sort of helps justify Vaan and Penelo, too, as storytelling vehicles for Ashe's story and her main personal conflict 'what she's fighting for.' And, how she also uses that to delusion to cope with her loss of her husband, the same way Vaan uses his sky pirate delusions of grandeur to cope with the loss of his brother. Which then in turn, when Vaan finally realizes he's been using his delusions of grandeur as a coping mechanism at Ridorana, that's when Ashe realizes it, too. It's Ashe's story but Vaan helps her rather critically through it.
Judge Bergan and Marquis Ondore in particular I think I'll never tire of watching their words dance.
Yeah the game used gasps of breath or darting eyes to pretty great effect.
A lot of the parallel development of Ashe and Vaan's similar delusions of grander as coping mechanism are portrayed by just quickened breaths or gritted teeth.
The cutscene directors did wonders with emotion nuance.
Ashe and Vaan in particular at the Ridorana Cataract is probably one of the most important, but it serves so much of the charm of the story, too, like the Balthier 'ah' above or the way Vaan is caught staring at Fran but then darts his eyes ... and those eyes dart and then hold once he gains his composure.
It's really well done and I think the game doesn't get enough credit for its cutscene directing. Even the way the game often uses Vaan, Penelo, and Larsa as background symbolism. Engaged in jokes or play in the background, they serve as a symbol of 'what they're fighting for' against the foreground of Basch and Ashe discussing that precise thing -- what they're fighting for. The same symbolism is used with Ashe and Balthier at Phon Coast.
It sort of helps justify Vaan and Penelo, too, as storytelling vehicles for Ashe's story and her main personal conflict 'what she's fighting for.' And, how she also uses that to delusion to cope with her loss of her husband, the same way Vaan uses his sky pirate delusions of grandeur to cope with the loss of his brother. Which then in turn, when Vaan finally realizes he's been using his delusions of grandeur as a coping mechanism at Ridorana, that's when Ashe realizes it, too. It's Ashe's story but Vaan helps her rather critically through it.
AlexFlame116
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Just played the demo at GameStop. It was fun! But it took some getting used to. Also I got lost. But that's what makes it special!
I can't wait!
I can't wait!
Oh wow...I never realized that. That symbolism is pretty amazing.
Also, I would say Vaan had a similar sincere conversation with Ashe way earlier in the game, at Jahara. He opens up about how he dreamed of becoming sky pirate because he felt so hopeless and alone after his brother died. From that scene we gain insight into Vaan's thoughts and reason for joining the party
Honestly, I feel like people who fault the game's storyline or cast either didn't pay attention or are parroting what others have said. Claims of Vaan "having no purpose" ring hollow when you actually, you know, play the game. Every character has a purpose, whether big or small.
Jun Akiyama is the greatest event director at Square Enix and I think people who pay attention to that stuff give him tons of credit. I mean... we're talking about the guy who made Vagrant Story look the way it does.
There's also a huge gulf in direction quality between the realtime cutscenes in FFXII and the CG FMV (done by Visualworks).
No, these criticisms actually DO have grounds. The issues are just not as egregious as some detractors suggest. Especially since people miss many of the nuances that mitigate some of the larger blunders.
Yeah I agree, I love the story and characters in XII, but I don't see much point in Vaan. I don't hate the kid, he's just there. I feel like the themes of loss and ambition are better realised in the other characters. It makes Vaan feel a bit redundant, and at times he is just muscling in on Ashe's story arc. The whole 'you see him too' with
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Not a great trailer, but it still got me hyped. FFXII was so fucking great
badcrumble
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Yeah. He also did fantastic work on Final Fantasy Tactics (which got a lot of storytelling accomplished with VERY blunt tools) and the original Kingdom Hearts.
I'd really love to see him get some more high-profile work on FF or KH again soon. He's brilliant.
You destroy the source of their power and their sole means of influence over history (because Venat, who's basically the Lucifer figure, manipulates you into it). At the end of the game, the false-god Occuria are done for and humanity is free (from them, anyway).
Right?
I don't mind Vaan being in the story but I sure as hell don't want to play as him the entirety of the game Q_Q
badcrumble
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We don't really know what's going to work best in practice, but the early consensus seems to be that crossing Red Mage or Breaker with literally any other class will be tremendously good.
Thats why it needs a real sequel
This is because
we destroyed the sun cryst
Since XII came out, I've played a few games with similar themes, and they always defeat those pesky Gods. I actually like that it doesn't happen that way in XII.
I'm listening to the soundtrack while I work, and I forgot how good it is.
Considering how useful magic will be this time around a combo of (for example)
White Mage - ???
Black Mage - ???
Red Mage - ???
will make the game easy peasy. ??? can be nearly anything as long as you have breaks because as the name says they break the game (they work against optional bosses).
LordKasual
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I wish he'd do literally every game.
12's cutscenes were rewards in ways that no other FF game's cutscenes have been in a long time
It had one, two technically.
Really the biggest unexplored event in Ivalice lore is when The Lucavi betray the Occuria and go to war with them but that would just be another prequel
CrimsonSquall
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I have faith that we will see this one day
Itchy//Tasty
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My headcanon for the town sections was, Vaan was like the mule the others would send around the towns to buy supplies and do errands, while the rest chill out at an inn or something.
badcrumble
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It's not 100% clear that the gods the Lucavi/Espers rebelled against were the Occuria or something else, honestly. But yeah, I'd seriously love to see that, and I'd love to see what's up with the 'scions of light' corresponding to each of the dark scions/Lucavi - especially to find out who the scion of darkness is that corresponds to Ultima, the fallen angel and former scion of light.
Wait, what? It's literally called "Breaker" because it's a broken class?
Best event director. It's crazy he isn't the standard.
I'm not really one for the "the next FF should be like this old FF" line of thought, but I've always felt if there was one that set a strong template for how to handle the series going forward, it was XII.
Agreed, 12 has the best-directed cutscenes in the series. I'm really not a fan of Nozue's stuff.
I'd love it, but I really doubt it.
Think of all the FF games with prequel worthy backstory. So much potential and the only one we ever got was Zack's in Crisis Core
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I don't know about broken, but definitely one of the best classes. Huge (albeit random) damage, all breaks, shields, and good ranged attacks with the hand bombs. I used Monk/Samurai/Breaker as my 3 physical fighters in IZJS, and Breaker was the clear leader in damage dealing ability and overall usefulness.
If there's any FF that deserves a true, full-blown sequel, it's XII. There's so much left to do in Ivalice, so many new places to explore and plot points to cover. Compare that with X, where you literally can't squeeze anything more out of Spira, but they decided to make X-2 anyway.
I'll never understand how Nomura is capable of making secret movies and trailers on Kojima's level, good enough to spawn a culty fanbase for a character who literally never did anything, and yet without Akiyama KH cut scenes have all been substandard sense after 1.
Makes no sense.
Ah, I understand. I really want to make Ashe a Samurai. Perhaps Basch will be my Breaker?
To be fair, this was also years before XII even came out.
They really should use Ivalice for another game of some sort though.
Yeah, it's a really weird. Toriyama is an even better comparison. Guy got to direct a mainline FF + sequels, while we hardly even hear from Akiyama.
And yet, Akiyama is better at everything Toriyama does lol
Probably the closest thing to a sequel/expansion for Ivalice is coming later this year in FFXIV, although we got no idea just how extensive it is going to be. Matsuno is directing 3 story raids based on returning to Ivalice and the director of the game Yoshida hinted it was likely more then a simple homage (but also seemed to hint that it might take more from FFT then FFXII
). If that gets decent press and FFXII remaster gets decent sales it might convince SE to give Matsuno another shot at making another Ivalice game proper.shark sandwich
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I did exactly this. But to be honest I was really disappointed with Samurai. She was pretty good at doing melee damage (but not as good as Breaker), and pretty much useless at everything else. Shades of Black <<< Hand Bombs for ranged damage. And she has little to offer in terms of support abilities or tanking.
Maybe in Zodiac Age you can pair Samurai with a job that gives her some more utility.
Personally I'm planning to main:
Time Mage/Monk: time magic, high speed, light or heavy armor, some white magic, physical breaks, ranged and melee weapons
Knight/Archer: high speed, magic breaks, light or heavy armor, some white magic, shields, melee and ranged weapons, all item lores
Red Mage/Black Mage: oil, ardor, fire-boosting staff
Also thinking of doing White Mage/Hunter to make a drain-based tank.
This stuff almost makes my head spin. @.@
I haven't played this game since launch and I've never played the IZJS version st all.
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My favorite part of RPGs is toying with character and party builds and coming up with borderline game-breaking combos
But just about any combo will be viable so you can certainly go with whatever sounds the coolest.If you want to optimize jobs then Basch actually makes the worst Breaker because of his low VIT stat (Breaker weapons use VIT in damage calculations). Now does this really matter? Not really because the damage difference won't be game changing. But just a tip if you want to min/max a bit.
The Last One
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It makes me mad that bows use STR as status. The game needs a DEX status.
Yeah, it's always felt weird. And the fact that Fran and Balthier are the worst (arguably) at bows and guns due to an inherent animation delay. Penelo shoots faster, as does anyone else.
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I previously said that Samurai was a disappointment in IZJS. But I'm thinking Samurai + Monk could be the most powerful combo in Zodiac Age.
Katanas are based on both magic and physical attack. Samurai gets 14 magic lores but only 8 battle lores. Monk gets a whopping 16 battle lores. So he would greatly increase Samurai's damage potential.
Meanwhile Monk can unlock all the best White magic, but has zero magic lores and wears light armor. With all of Samurai's magic lores + mystic armor, he can be almost as good as dedicated white Mage in terms of healing ability.
Katanas are based on both magic and physical attack. Samurai gets 14 magic lores but only 8 battle lores. Monk gets a whopping 16 battle lores. So he would greatly increase Samurai's damage potential.
Meanwhile Monk can unlock all the best White magic, but has zero magic lores and wears light armor. With all of Samurai's magic lores + mystic armor, he can be almost as good as dedicated white Mage in terms of healing ability.
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To be fair I did not do the harder optional hunts, but my IZJS team had samurai Ashe and she did a ton of damage. Very good character.
Unknown Soldier
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The original English dialogue was poorly recorded and that can never be fixed at this point without finding everyone and re-recording it.
I'll just use the JP dialogue anyways, it's how I originally played through the game back in the day as an imported title. Without being able to read a word of Japanese. I still don't know how I finished the entire game that way to this day.
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I had Ashe as Samurai and Basch as Breaker. Basch was doing more damage, plus had better defense, more HP, great evasion thanks to shields, and much better ranged damage (with hand bombs vs samurai's shades of black). Plus all the breaks of course.
I chose monk/Samurai/breaker as my 3 physical fighters, and breaker was easily the best IMO.
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I had Basche as knight. I'll give Breaker a chance for zodiac age.
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Breaker is pretty badass. I'm trying to think of what to pair it with. Maybe Time Mage for easier 3x swiftness, poach, steal, time magic + green magic. Or maybe Hunter if you want to use ninja swords with genji equipment (they have even better combo rates than Katanas in IZJS IIRC).