I really dont think that they did this because they want to differiate between the Xenomorphs.
They just have better technology and makeup now to make it look more like a organic body
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Alien: Covenant - The Prologue footage
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I really dont think that they did this because they want to differiate between the Xenomorphs.
They just have better technology and makeup now to make it look more like a organic body
Bobby Roberts
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The Alien didn't look like it used to look because of technological deficiencies. It was a very specific, conscious decision.
If it looks like all the mechanical aspects of it have been removed from its physiology, that's probably being done for a reason. Or at least I hope it's being done for a reason.
Thats why I do, too, but at this point and with the spoiler s
urrounding the origin of the Xeno morp
Semi-Offtopic:
Thats what Space-Jockeys used to look like at some point:
No, the bio-mechanical aspect was done because that was Giger's style. Once he was no longer designing for these movies, the mech aspects we're dropped in favor of a more biological, Pumpkinheadesque look.
Yes, and like I said, it was not done to derivate or have some kind of more organical Xenomorphs around. Nobody just gave a shit.
bonesmccoy
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Aw, heck. The prologue teasers have won me over. I'll see this in theatres.
For Alien Resurrection is was somewhat explained away since the creatures were now mixed with human DNA.
Garcia el Gringo
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It's odd to phrase expanded universe mythology as fact when Scott's Alien prequel films are the topic, even if Fox wanted fans to consider that comic canon back in the day (Did they seriously? That wasn't just a "what if?"). It's not even clear if Scott meaningfully acknowledges Cameron's Aliens.
You could show a close up of the Space Jockey's face from Alien, where it really looks like an elephantine being's bare face fossilized rather than a helmet, to make nearly the same point with something that can't be waved away in reference to mainline Alien atm:
Not that I feel that the Space Jockey/Engineer relation is as rigid as some people surmise based off of Prometheus, even if the hypothetical revelation is small like there being a hierarchy including larger Engineers to explain the size disparity.
TheJollyCorner
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What do you base this on?
Just to clarify, I dont take the EU as a fact, I just posted it because I thought it looked silly but in the end maybe a bit better then just random pale dudes.
I have the Making off book here, got it as a present but still have to read it, but I think I am gonna look into it over the next days, maybe there is really something, but I dont think that I am gonna find something.
There would have been anecdotes. Also its exactly the same kind of eggs. Would make no sense.
I have the Making off book here, got it as a present but still have to read it, but I think I am gonna look into it over the next days, maybe there is really something, but I dont think that I am gonna find something.
I'm going with "they just don't care, and the SFX guys wanted something cool."
Either that or they wanted to make their own Xeno rather than just copy the original and figured no one would care.
I would be shocked, shocked, if Scott actually had a solid story reason for the difference other than "reasons."
I think those are the most likely explanations. The big alien, however, looks like an ultramorph from the early Prometheus concept art (EVIL posted a pic of one on p. 8). Aren't there supposed to be regular Xenomorphs in this movie as well? If so, maybe those could be more biomechanical. Do we have any clear shots of one like the ultramorph and neomorphs?
That Space Jockey, huge, completely extraterrestrial and slightly elephantine was way more fascinating/disturbing than the bald white bodybuilders that got introduced in Prometheus.It's odd to phrase expanded universe mythology as fact when Scott's Alien prequel films are the topic, even if Fox wanted fans to consider that comic canon back in the day (Did they seriously? That wasn't just a "what if?"). It's not even clear if Scott meaningfully acknowledges Cameron's Aliens.
You could show a close up of the Space Jockey's face from Alien, where it really looks like an elephantine being's bare face fossilized rather than a helmet, to make nearly the same point with something that can't be waved away in reference to mainline Alien atm:
Not that I feel that the Space Jockey/Engineer relation is as rigid as some people surmise based off of Prometheus, even if the hypothetical revelation is small like there being a hierarchy including larger Engineers to explain the size disparity.
I sincerely feel it was better when the Space Jockey was just pure speculation and myth.
1000% agreed
The easy out with Prometheus was just to make the engineers and the jockey not be the same thing. Go to planet meet engineers, don't make their ship and suit look like the space jockey. But the jockey being a dude in a suit is one of the things actually kept from the original script.
Agreed. I also liked it better when the Xenos weren't an artificial, a created species. As a kid I was really hooked on the idea what kind of eco-system would evolve a species like that and until today I feel like it would be much scarier to have a univerese in which beasts like them naturally evolve rather than beeing bred as a weapon of some sort.
IMO every single movie (except alien 3?) since the original made the xeno less scary and alien. Covenant might bring a big twist
(xenos are a product of a man-made android playing with e.t.-biotech)
likewise I liked the jockey being a random alien species a lot more than pale space-jesuses that have a straight connection to earth and humanity (the unkown that lurks in the vastness of space vs. we're all one big fucked up family).
Probably EVERONE except me noticed this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svnAD0TApb8
but the hooded figure in the trailer, walking through the wheat, who seems unafraid near the end may to be wearing the same robe/cowl as Elizabeth is in cryosleep. And that in itself is an unusual wardrobe decision given the normal need to have characters be naked or barely dressed in those tropes..
But davids also a psychopath. He probably just
thinks "you know that's a nice cloak" and takes it after he turns her into the first alien queen uses her to incubate his experiments.
I agree with you on the trope part though...
Totes - David is up to no good.
And it looks like there might be two Davids (or is that crazy?) - and it seems very odd to have a mysterious cloaked figure, and freeze a former (credited) strong clever protagonist in a big old cloak.
I think it's definitely David, would be a nice surprise if it wasn't though.
Also why would David need to grow wheat?
bonesmccoy
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The jockey is just an engineer with some shit on his head.
Wasn't that always hinted at? What with the eggs all lined up nice and neat on the ship, the force-field keeping them in stasis. Ash talking about them being the 'perfect' organism.
Wasn't that always hinted at? What with the eggs all lined up nice and neat on the ship, the force-field keeping them in stasis. Ash talking about them being the 'perfect' organism.
Exactly.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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just for fun i speculate the wheat is there for a shot where a hand goes through them to achieve maximum cinematic effect
Straight Edge
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I assumed wheat naturally grew on the planet along with all the other plant life.
Maybe he wakes Shaw after
he drops the goo, lets her live a while and then does some nasty shit to her
adamsappel
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b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Bobby Roberts
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Early reactions should start hitting by the end of this week, I'd imagine.
Now where have we seen that before?
Oh my god
No, they l it out as "human" and incredibly unlikely to be natural in this trailer, and it has plainly been planted, and appears to be waiting (there's no other animals).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svnAD0TApb8
Bobby Roberts
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they also went back to it (sort of) in drafts of Alien: Resurrection. The Newborn was supposed to get taken out by a giant combine/thresher thing on Earth.
Basically, I would not be surprised if David really planted wheat because the movie needs there to be a wheat field so that a chase sequence between aliens and people can happen in said wheat field.
Basically, I would not be surprised if David really planted wheat because the movie needs there to be a wheat field so that a chase sequence between aliens and people can happen in said wheat field.
Garcia el Gringo
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I didn't realize that Shaw was wearing an altered Engineer's robe in The Crossing until I saw someone point it out the day after it dropped. I just thought it was some funky sweater she copped from Prometheus. My analysis machine is busted.
And there's no way to know about the shot of the cloaked figure walking towards the Citadel among the Pompeii-esque bodies, as that person/droid is facing away, but the wheat field one seems to be (in depth reveal from Empire's preview that isn't part of Fox's wider marketing)
And there's no way to know about the shot of the cloaked figure walking towards the Citadel among the Pompeii-esque bodies, as that person/droid is facing away, but the wheat field one seems to be (in depth reveal from Empire's preview that isn't part of Fox's wider marketing)
long-haired David, based off of his unobscured appearance revealed through the magazine where he also wears the Engineer robe (not gonna post scans). At some point in the film David has shoulder length hair with brown roots. In the trailer, you can make out his face a bit and see the blonde ends of his hair blowing out of the hood in the wheat field scene.
This is the timeline that makes most sense to me with the hologram recording of Shaw singing Take Me Home, Country Roads if she's as distressed as one might interpret from how she sounds. Shaw seemed a ways off from that in The Crossing.
Also if David's
hair can actually grow, as the scan implies, ten years did not pass on the trip to paradise because he still has short blonde hair when he is bombing the shit out of civilians. Highly likely the 10 year gap is passed mostly on planet and not in transit (he doesn't cryo sleep so his hair would grow during transit).
TheJollyCorner
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What if the Engineers....
...........................................brought wheat to us?!?!?!
...........................................brought wheat to us?!?!?!
TheOfficeMut
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I haven't seen any more clips or read anything else on this movie since the first trailer dropped. Now I'm in this thread reading a bunch of posts and I'm confused as shit, so naturally I watch the video in the OP, then I watch another video posted a bit above me, and I still have no idea what is going on in this movie. I think not reading a plot summary but rather a bunch of posts on this forum is what's really fucked me up.
I'm stupid.
I'm stupid.
NealMcCauley
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Pretty sure Shaw/Asshole boyfriend in Prometheus thought the Engineers were the ones who taught early humans agriculture. Them introducing a crop to visited planets doesn't sound too far fetched.
Straight Edge
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It's their home world and they are genetically identical to humans so they would need food sources.
TheJollyCorner
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Bobby Roberts
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I figure it's because there is no way that civilization cares for bread, because bread makes you fat, and those guys don't have any.
Their fucking eyebrows have six-packs.
Their fucking eyebrows have six-packs.
NealMcCauley
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Maybe they're gluten intolerant but don't force their diets on other civilizations.
Bobby Roberts
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Soundtrack is hitting youtube in dribs and drabs.
Here's the track entitled "Planet 4" - which is relying pretty heavily on Goldsmith's motifs for the first film.
edit: and here's "The Covenant," which seems to riff on Goldsmith, (the ALIEN theme pops up) but goes its own way ultimately.
Here's the track entitled "Planet 4" - which is relying pretty heavily on Goldsmith's motifs for the first film.
edit: and here's "The Covenant," which seems to riff on Goldsmith, (the ALIEN theme pops up) but goes its own way ultimately.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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I didn't know Jed Kurzel was doing the soundtrack. I thought his work in Macbeth was phenomenon.
TheJollyCorner
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Thanks for these.
Sound great. I thought Marc Streitenfeld did a decent job with Prometheus, but I really like Kurzel and I'm glad to hear the heavy Goldsmith sound in these two songs. Looking forward to the entire OST.
Best cosplay I ever saw was an Engineer at comic con. Dude was a beast made of meat and steroids and he looked PERFECT.... except he had to wear white flip flops. They were almost invisible but it kinda broke the illusion, He even had the noose prosthetic.
Edit. Found him, I think.
That chick on the right looks thirsty for wheat products.
There's been a few, it seems.
Jack Scofield
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I guess I don't have an eye for detail like some of you guys. At quick glance, the alien in this trailer looks like a traditional alien. It still looks biomechanical with a bunch of weird tubes. But maybe I just haven't seen a good comparison. It's a little lame that they went back to plantigrade legs, though. The digitigrade design of the alien in Alien Isolation was the best-designed version of the creature.
Bread makes you fat?!?
Bread makes you fat?!?
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