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Dear White People |OT| Bet You Think The Show Is About You

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Messofanego

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Prodigal Son said:
"i am going back to Kenya"
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"To the left"
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LotusHD

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Blasian Persuasion said:
This reminds me, how they introduced that Asian girl was random as hell. She comes up out of the blue introduces herself and then Troy and Coco come and she eases out of the frame and doesn't show up again until they make it to the movie theater.
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Yea, that was weird.
Also weird that she was seemingly absent when the BSU and co. were all meeting up to discuss what to do about the incident with the police.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Really like the changes to the characters from the movie, most notably the dean, Coco, and Sam.

I actually like Sam less in the show than the movie but think she's a much better character in the show. in both depth/development and personality.
 
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Apath

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Only seen the first two episodes but I've been liking it a lot. I'm waiting for my girlfriend to be here before I continue so we can watch the rest together.
 
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Goodstyle

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Second half was noticeably worse than the first, and that was because of the love triangle stuff. Gabe episode was the worst. Finale was great though.

Sam seems like a horrendous person by the end of the season.
 
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Socivol

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Angelus Errare said:
Really like the changes to the characters from the movie, most notably the dean, Coco, and Sam.

I actually like Sam less in the show than the movie but think she's a much better character in the show. in both depth/development and personality.
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I like that they dropped that storyline about her dad.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Blasian Persuasion said:
Refresh my memory on this.
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Sam's dad was sick and dying, we find out her father is white and she was ashamed of him. Gabe was tired of her "tragic mulatto bullshit" and she realizes she has been pushing away people she loved (Gabe, her dad) because of her "wokeness" so at end of the movie, she embraces being herself (by basically jettisoning all of her "black" nalia to include hair) and her and Gabe walk off holding hands.

I'll remove spoilers

Also, Coco and Joelle are so damn fine D:
 
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NipplesAndToes23

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Angelus Errare said:
Sam's dad was sick and dying, we find out her father is white and she was ashamed of him. Gabe was tired of her "tragic mulatto bullshit" and she realizes she has been pushing away people she loved (Gabe, her dad) because of her "wokeness" so at end of the movie, she embraces being herself (by basically jettisoning all of her "black" nalia to include hair) and her and Gabe walk off holding hands.

I'll remove spoilers

Also, Coco and Joelle are so damn fine D:
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Socivol said:
Sam's dad had some kind of serious illness and her mom kept calling her throughout the movie about it.
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Damn I forgot all about that and I can't even remember it.



Also, Joelle can dress her ass off. I love her outfits.



Deadly Cyclone said:
This show is good. Also, WTF GABE.
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I assume you just watched Chapter VII?
 
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caliph95

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Angelus Errare said:
Sam's dad was sick and dying, we find out her father is white and she was ashamed of him. Gabe was tired of her "tragic mulatto bullshit" and she realizes she has been pushing away people she loved (Gabe, her dad) because of her "wokeness" so at end of the movie, she embraces being herself (by basically jettisoning all of her "black" nalia to include hair) and her and Gabe walk off holding hands.

I'll remove spoilers

Also, Coco and Joelle are so damn fine D:
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The fact i can't remember this at all so how a waste of a stroyline it is and unneeded
 
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TheYanger

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I actually really like the Gabe stuff from that episode. I think it shows that even a 'woke' white person is still a white person.
It might be a mistake that seems a bit egregious for him to make, but like, it perfectly illustrates one of the most obvious divides between races: To a white person if you get into a situation like that, calling the authorities IS what you would do. Obviously GABE should probably no better, but I could buy that maybe he just assumed campus security is low key enough that it can't really escalate in that way (IE: why the fuck DO they have guns?)

Like, it's obvious in hindsight what was wrong with the decision to a white person, but I bet it's something a lot of people in the real world would do without thinking.

EDIT: If it's not obvious, I say all of this as a white guy. It can be hard to reconcile your experience growing up and how someone else's can be different, the crux of all of this stuff from all sides I think sometimes.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Wait why the fuck did I drop spoilers lmao.
Hated the whole Sam/Reggie thing and his quasi-guikt tripping Sam into sleeping with him. But at the same time from prior episodes in convo with Joenelle Sam did insinuate she wanted to be with Reggie at least for a moment so I dunno
 
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Messofanego

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It also works on the divide in how different races view the police. White people (Gabe) trust the police, rarely do they have negative experiences so they expect police to act appropriately when called. Black people don't trust the police on any level and know that it'll go 100 in any situation, and it doesn't help that a lot of police have white supremacists in them. "Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses", you know. Gabe was ignorant on how white police overreacts, even if they're just campus security.
 
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Infinite

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Angelus Errare said:
Wait why the fuck did I drop spoilers lmao.
Hated the whole Sam/Reggie thing and his quasi-guikt tripping Sam into sleeping with him. But at the same time from prior episodes in convo with Joenelle Sam did insinuate she wanted to be with Reggie at least for a moment so I dunno
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Honestly
I think that's simply what Sam wanted in that moment. Not sure if Reggie is to blame for guilting her or it was just her feeling guilty. Personally I feel it's more of the latter than the former and it makes Sam look pretty shitty.
 
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Opto

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HiiiLife said:
Why not?
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she was very no bullshit and since she gravitated to Reggie and the episode five crew, I don't think she'd be into gabe that much


About campus police
having guns
: sometimes campus police are actual police of the municipality or town, so that's why they carry. Even if they're not proper police, they're the response to the threat of campus shootings. Prospective students' parents will ask about security and it looks bad if the school says their security will just call the cops.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Infinite said:
Honestly
I think that's simply what Sam wanted in that moment. Not sure if Reggie is to blame for guilting her or it was just her feeling guilty. Personally I feel it's more of the latter than the former and it makes Sam look pretty shitty.
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I mean
Sam comes out shitty regardless tbh. She knew she was in a relationship with Gabe and did it anyway. Whether he guilt tripped her or it's what she wanted, she still comes out looking terrible.

In other news, Coco is just :browWipe:
 
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NipplesAndToes23

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Coco too boujie for me. Like I said when I was watching Atlanta, when there's black, boujie, and a black boujie party is hard for me to watch. My mind was somewhere else half the time in episode IX.
 
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NipplesAndToes23

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Since some of y'all still remembered what happened in the movie I have a question. Did Coco realize she was going to a blackface party? Like googling that shit or looking for clips leads nowhere.
 
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caliph95

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Blasian Persuasion said:
Since some of y'all still remembered what happened in the movie I have a question. Did Coco realize she was going to a blackface party? Like googling that shit or looking for clips leads nowhere.
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No she didn't, IIRC she ws shocked when she realize the kind of party in was and joined with the black students protesting
 
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Aurongel

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Opto said:
she was very no bullshit and since she gravitated to Reggie and the episode five crew, I don't think she'd be into gabe that much


About campus police
having guns
: sometimes campus police are actual police of the municipality or town, so that's why they carry. Even if they're not proper police, they're the response to the threat of campus shootings. Prospective students' parents will ask about security and it looks bad if the school says their security will just call the cops.
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University police at state schools are real ass armed cops. That's where much of that stereotype (rightfully...) originates from.
 
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caliph95

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Blasian Persuasion said:
Was she protesting because she was talking into Sam's camera she was said that she's going to protest.
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IIRC she got so offended she started attacking the party and her "friends" in the moment not actually attacking but she was having none of it and the protest happened during the party though not protest more like trashing the place
 
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Angelus Errare

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Movie Coco and show Coco are damn near two separate people. It's crazy how different they are when you really think about it save analyse the characters.
 
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NipplesAndToes23

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Angelus Errare said:
Movie Coco and show Coco are damn near two separate people. It's crazy how different they are when you really think about it save analyse the characters.
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They are. When I was looking up clips I forgot about those videos she recorded of herself off her phone as an ancillary to Sam's radio show. The actress in this I think is better. How she delivers "Oh, you think this is funny bitch?" is just right, so right.
I also love that little scene where she's getting a sew-in in another girl's room. It's very brief, but it just resonates with me personally because I was in someone else's room doing the same thing before and it's a particularly black moment. Also, I think that girl who sewing it in was blasian. She looked blasian.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Blasian Persuasion said:
They are. When I was looking up clips I forgot about those videos she recorded of herself off her phone as an ancillary to Sam's radio show. The actress in this I think is better. How she delivers "Oh, you think this is funny bitch?" is just right, so right.
I also love that little scene where she's getting a sew-in in another girl's room. It's very brief, but it just resonates with me personally because I was in someone else's room doing the same thing before and it's a particularly black moment.
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Movie Coco wanted to be white/hated being black TV show Coco was just ambitious and slightly boujee
 
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NipplesAndToes23

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Angelus Errare said:
Movie Coco wanted to be white/hated being black TV show Coco was just ambitious and slightly boujee
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Ain't no slightly. That's full blown boujee, but I still see some of the elements of her rejecting her blackness.
The first to come to mind is her going out of her way not to get into Armstrong-Parker. She took a marker and crossed it out. Also one of the reasons why is because she didn't want to go into a place where people would say she's cute for a dark skinned girl, all while ignoring white people say shit like "I never thought I could be into black girls" or "I've never been with a black girl before". There's also that scene with her admitting she wants to be more palatable for white people.
Yeah, none of that blond weaves and blue eye contacts in this though. She is also in a black union on campus so she does have some interests in line with her own people.
 
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Angelus Errare

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Blasian Persuasion said:
Ain't no slightly. That's full blown boujee, but I still see some of the elements of her rejecting her blackness.
The first to come to mind is her going out of her way not to get into Armstrong-Parker. She took a marker and crossed it out. Also one of the reasons why is because she didn't want to go into a place where people would say she's cute for a dark skinned girl, all while ignoring white people say shit like "I never thought I could be into black girls" or "I've never been with a black girl before". There's also that scene with her admitting she wants to be more palatable for white people.
Yeah, none of that blond weaves and blue eye contacts in this though. She is also in a black union on campus so she does have some interests in line with her own people.
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I don't think that's it at all, she clearly cares about being black since she joins a black sorority right off the bat (funny fact, the sorority Alpha Delta Rho isn't real but I'd homage to Different World, it was Whitney's sorority. In DWP their colors seen to be Pink/Green which are the AKAs color ADR was Green/White). She pretty much laid her position on the table with the Reggie incident. She believes in moderating her blackness while Sam is the opposite end of the spectrum. Which given Coco's ambitions and her come up her worldview makes sense, but I don't see it as her actually hating bring black since she basically curved white dudes throughout the show only using them as a status symbol or to get into events. She basically uses everyone really.

The not wanting Armstrong thing was slightly weird since she went straight to Alpha Delta Rho didn't even look at white sororities, feels like they put that in there to give a reason how her and Sam met/roomed together.

And yea she's hella boujee but…I still love her idc idc. Joenelle too!
 
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Infinite

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Coco is all about her own self preservation when it comes to navigating white spaces. She doesn't care for rocking the boat like Sam does and her way of spitting whiteness is to be successful.
 
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LotusHD

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Infinite said:
Sorry to bump but I found this article about the show criticizing and I wanna hear you guys take.

https://theringer.com/dear-white-people-netflix-tv-show-2017-473a56842803
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Hilariously enough, Miley Cyrus actually has faced recent criticism for comments she made during an interview, where she basically says she's now over the whole hip-hop scene, something a lot of us saw coming:

“I…love that new Kendrick [Lamar] song [“Humble”]: ‘Show me somethin’ natural like ass with some stretch marks,’” Cyrus told Billboard. “I love that because it’s not ‘Come sit on my dick, suck on my cock.’ I can’t listen to that anymore. That’s what pushed me out of the hip-hop scene a little. It was too much ‘Lamborghini, got my Rolex, got a girl on my cock’—I am so not that.”
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/07/miley-cyrus-gross-racial-tourism

Lmao, Miley's interview appears to have happened the same day as the link you posted got published. That's actually pretty hilarious.

That aside, there is definitely merit to other criticisms, such as the dialogue feeling outdated at times. Like the hashtag stuff (especially the hashtag stuff) or how seemingly pressed they are over the word woke, etc., I can see how someone would hear what's being spoken, and jokingly wonder what year it is, or feel that people don't really talk like that. But as the author notes, it's pretty hard to talk about these type of things and manage to always make it sound natural. Regardless, I loved this show.

The article also asks who this show is for, but the answer is obvious: everyone. The black community may have already had these discussions regarding topics like colorism and such, but it is still appreciated to capture such a diversity of topics and black characters with different backgrounds in a show. Everyone should be able to appreciate that.
 
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NipplesAndToes23

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Angelus Errare said:
I don't think that's it at all, she clearly cares about being black since she joins a black sorority right off the bat (funny fact, the sorority Alpha Delta Rho isn't real but It's a homage to Different World, it was Whitney's sorority. In DWP their colors seen to be Pink/Green which are the AKAs color ADR was Green/White). She pretty much laid her position on the table with the Reggie incident. She believes in moderating her blackness while Sam is the opposite end of the spectrum. Which given Coco's ambitions and her come up her worldview makes sense, but I don't see it as her actually hating bring black since she basically curved white dudes throughout the show only using them as a status symbol or to get into events. She basically uses everyone really.

The not wanting Armstrong thing was slightly weird since she went straight to Alpha Delta Rho didn't even look at white sororities, feels like they put that in there to give a reason how her and Sam met/roomed together.

And yea she's hella boujee but…I still love her idc idc. Joenelle too!
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This reminds me of a question I meant to ask earlier, but it feels cemented now that you mentioned this. Does Dear White People take place in the Different World universe? In episode 4 when Sam AP House is like their own mini Hillman college I thought she was just referencing the show, but I didn't realize the fake AKAs were the same fake AKAs from A Different World. It is then, it is. Yvette Lee Bowser who was a showrunner on A Different World and this adds to the theory.
 
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Blackhead

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Angelus Errare said:
I don't think that's it at all, she clearly cares about being black since she joins a black sorority right off the bat (funny fact, the sorority Alpha Delta Rho isn't real but I'd homage to Different World, it was Whitney's sorority. In DWP their colors seen to be Pink/Green which are the AKAs color ADR was Green/White). She pretty much laid her position on the table with the Reggie incident. She believes in moderating her blackness while Sam is the opposite end of the spectrum. Which given Coco's ambitions and her come up her worldview makes sense, but I don't see it as her actually hating bring black since she basically curved white dudes throughout the show only using them as a status symbol or to get into events. She basically uses everyone really.

The not wanting Armstrong thing was slightly weird since she went straight to Alpha Delta Rho didn't even look at white sororities, feels like they put that in there to give a reason how her and Sam met/roomed together.

And yea she's hella boujee but…I still love her idc idc. Joenelle too!
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Well she went to Alpha Delta Rho because she had a crush on Troy who appeared to only be talking to sorority girls.

She only met and roomed with Sam because the housing system but her in the black house against her wishes. It seemed on her housing application she listed as her preferences all other residences except that one (but her 'black' name probably got her sorted where else)

And Coco is 'bougie' but she was raised in Chicago projects and has a white father figure/foster parent/mentor? Lots of contradictions there...
 
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Infinite

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Blackhead said:
Well she went to Alpha Delta Rho because she had a crush on Troy who appeared to only be talking to sorority girls.

She only met and roomed with Sam because the housing system but her in the black house against her wishes. It seemed on her housing application she listed as her preferences all other residences except that one (but her 'black' name probably got her sorted where else)

And Coco is 'bougie' but she was raised in Chicago projects and has a white father figure/foster parent/mentor? Lots of contradictions there...
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I agree with that. I think the best analysis of her is that she care about her own self preservation.
 
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Deepwater

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Blasian Persuasion said:
This reminds me of a question I meant to ask earlier, but it feels cemented now that you mentioned this. Does Dear White People take place in the Different World universe? In episode 4 when Sam AP House is like their own mini Hillman college I thought she was just referencing the show, but I didn't realize the fake AKAs were the same fake AKAs from A Different World. It is then, it is. Yvette Lee Bowser who was a showrunner on A Different World and this adds to the theory.
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I don't think it's in the same universe, but just a reference to the show.
 
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Dreez

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Reggie episode was great... Barry Jenkins did that.

"I know y'all shit... annnnd my shit!!!" *looks at Troy* lmaoooo
 
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LionPride

Banned
Blasian Persuasion said:
They are. When I was looking up clips I forgot about those videos she recorded of herself off her phone as an ancillary to Sam's radio show. The actress in this I think is better. How she delivers "Oh, you think this is funny bitch?" is just right, so right.
I also love that little scene where she's getting a sew-in in another girl's room. It's very brief, but it just resonates with me personally because I was in someone else's room doing the same thing before and it's a particularly black moment. Also, I think that girl who sewing it in was blasian. She looked blasian.
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I think Teyonah Parris is a better actor than the woman who played CoCo here, we just had more time with this CoCo
 
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