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Injustice 2 SPOILER Thread: No Bars Among Us

CryptiK

Member
Needlessly making the comics and Injustice incorrect canon wised sucked. But the game was pretty great. Dat Evil Ending tho.
 

Eidan

Member
Yep, let's just get it out of the way.

What the hell is canon in Injustice? If I can recall the background of the story as told in the comics, I'd think the game's writers could as well.
 

DrBo42

Member
Needlessly making the comics and Injustice incorrect canon wised sucked. But the game was pretty great. Dat Evil Ending tho.

I kinda preferred it to the good ending. A little more impact from how haunting that last frame is. Would have been nice to see what happened to the cast after and the relationships between them.
 

CryptiK

Member
What exactly did they ignore from the comics aside from the Arkham thing?
Doctor Fate in the comics brought Ollie and Canary from another earth for Batman, suddenly in the story hes like hey you shouldnt have come and joined Batman you were safe where you were.
 

DrBo42

Member
Hopefully the evil ending is the canon one.

Would make a more interesting sequel.

Would be interesting but practically impossible to implement if Superman actually got to extract Kryptonians from Braniacs...bottles? Is that the term they use for his city tech in the comics?

Anyway with Batman under control there's really no one left to coordinate a competent resistance. Unless all the Lantern Corps go balls out. And that seems too much of a grand scale to handle outside of comics.
 

aly

Member
I'm gonna say it here that I think Harley should've died when Diana attacked her. I also still don't get why so many people are cool with her after the role she played you know helping the Joker. Maybe the comic addressed that and I missed it somewhere.
 

Espada

Member
Hopefully the evil ending is the canon one.

Would make a more interesting sequel.

Eh, not really. That ending would just lead to Injustice 3 being a retread of the first game just on a larger scale. I'd much rather have the good ending with Superman out of the picture opening the door to someone else entirely in the next game. It'll be good to get away from the regime framework.

I found it strange that almost no one tried to stop Wonder Woman being the little devil on Superman's shoulders. Superman's right hand lady got off relatively scot free.
 

DrBo42

Member
I'm gonna say it here that I think Harley should've died when Diana attacked her. I also still don't get why so many people are cool with her after the role she played you know helping the Joker. Maybe the comic addressed that and I missed it somewhere.

I agree she should have died. Would have been a greater impact on Kara and better fuel for her motivation to help Batman towards the end.
 

Q8D3vil

Member
Yep, let's just get it out of the way.

What the hell is canon in Injustice? If I can recall the background of the story as told in the comics, I'd think the game's writers could as well.
I read the comics Last week before playing the game:

- Everything related to Black canary and Green Arrow from the comics is canon.
- Nightwing death is canon since Damnian is Nightwing in the story mode. But we dont know if his death by accident is still canon.
- Alfred smacking Superman is canon as well since it get mentioned by batman.

Changes:
- Scarecrow is not dead.
- All the Rogues except Captain Cold are dead (In the comic by the end of year 5 both Golden Glider and Mirror Master were alive while the rest were killed by Bizarro).

There are probably few other changes that i might have forgotten.
 

dcelw540

Junior Member
I felt like the endings were a bit rushed. You don't get a proper conclusion on what happens to all the characters or whatever happens to harley.
 

sinkfla87

Member
Doctor Fate in the comics brought Ollie and Canary from another earth for Batman, suddenly in the story hes like hey you shouldnt have come and joined Batman you were safe where you were.

Wait, what? I thought they kept that story line (because they've explicitly stated that the new comic is a canonical prequel, and is also how Green Arrow is here) but in the game the Lords of Order commanded him to correct fate afterwards as it was a mistake. It was Kent who decided to bring them over, but as he even says in the game the Lords of Order are taking over and he was wrong for saving her. Both Tom Taylor and Boon said the Injustice 2 prequel comic is canon and the story mode didn't change that aspect (although they fucked up Scarecrow).

I don't think this is much as a retcon as it is disjointed story telling. Don't get me wrong, I love the story mode but characters came and went with little explanation, plot points were started but not finished. I honestly though Harley Quinn did die lol.

Edit: also remember that if I2 is anything like I1 comics then the story will continue past the end of this game.
 

Lulubop

Member
Swamp Thing felt like such a huge jobber, and went to waste. Isn't he some sorta cosmic entity in the comics? I understand it might trivialize the conflict, but come on.
 

aly

Member
Swamp thing, Deadshot, Fate and Bane did get hit with some dumb/bad fights that were wasted. I was super obvious this time around too.
 
I just dont believe that evil ending. Its not in his character at all to become someone like that. Hes been the quintessential "good boy" all his life and suddenly, hes gonna be a tyrant?? I dont buy it at all.
 

MrCarter

Member
Swamp Thing felt like such a huge jobber, and went to waste. Isn't he some sorta cosmic entity in the comics? I understand it might trivialize the conflict, but come on.

The way he randomly appeared towards the end swearing allegiance to Braniac was hilarious. It was so random.
 

Tidalwave

Member
I just dont believe that evil ending. Its not in his character at all to become someone like that. Hes been the quintessential "good boy" all his life and suddenly, hes gonna be a tyrant?? I dont buy it at all.
Did you play the first one? It's not like it's random and out of nowhere.
 
I actually loved it but didn't like how Superman ended up despite not caring much for Superman in general,
Seemed like a "redemption" angle was coming but took a hard nope turn.

Honestly Superman should have died and just have Wonder Woman the villain of 3.
God Wonder Woman fucking sucks in Injustice.
 
Did you play the first one? It's not like it's random and out of nowhere.

I didnt, but i mean, i know the overall story and unless he was actually raised differently this time around, i just dont see how he can become evil just cause Lois dies. People die, people dont become evil cause of it. Unless i missed something big.

I just dont believe that someone whos been that good all their lives can just become evil because of one action. People who become evil imo already have that angry side in them. Like Batman. Batman i could believe it. But superman? That goody 2 shoes? I dont buy it at all. Real stretch.
 

DrBo42

Member
I just dont believe that evil ending. Its not in his character at all to become someone like that. Hes been the quintessential "good boy" all his life and suddenly, hes gonna be a tyrant?? I dont buy it at all.

Did you play the first one? It's not like it's random and out of nowhere.

Yeah the first game is the essential context for this. After what happened to Lois and the events of the first game his rant towards the end makes sense. How he always had to hold back and living with the constant fear of what he could do if he didn't exercise discretion. The events pushing him to where he no longer holds back at all make perfect sense for his character and ultimately where he ends up here with a power as tempting as Braniac's tech.
 
I didnt, but i mean, i know the overall story and unless he was actually raised differently this time around, i just dont see how he can become evil just cause Lois dies. People die, people dont become evil cause of it. Unless i missed something big.

He straight up murdered Captain Marvel in Injustice 1.
 

Order

Member
I didnt, but i mean, i know the overall story and unless he was actually raised differently this time around, i just dont see how he can become evil just cause Lois dies. People die, people dont become evil cause of it. Unless i missed something big.
Superman was a huuuuge piece of shit in the first game. This one dialed it back up until the end.

I feel like both endings were a bit rushed. In Batman's ending the entire stolen city thing seemed to be dropped immediately after Batman and Superman started fighting.
 

Khezu

Member
Doctor Fate in the comics brought Ollie and Canary from another earth for Batman, suddenly in the story hes like hey you shouldnt have come and joined Batman you were safe where you were.

I dont' think the Dr Fate stuff is an intentional retcon so much as poor communication between the game and comic writer.
 

DrBo42

Member
I didnt, but i mean, i know the overall story and unless he was actually raised differently this time around, i just dont see how he can become evil just cause Lois dies. People die, people dont become evil cause of it. Unless i missed something big.

I just dont believe that someone whos been that good all their lives can just become evil because of one action. People who become evil imo already have that angry side in them. Like Batman. Batman i could believe it. But superman? That goody 2 shoes? I dont buy it at all. Real stretch.

Well he was tricked into killing Lois himself, and his unborn child Lois was carrying... And Metropolis gets nuked as a bonus. The grief of something like that can completely change someone. Especially when it's something you or one of your pals could have nullified by taking these murderers out of the game permanently.
 

MAtgS

Member
1 of these days I want Batman's "thou shall not kill" to really, REALLY blow up in his face. Between injustice & the Arkham games, it's been really goddamn tiresome how much this 1 aspect of the character keeps getting hammered on ad nauseum. The entire earth could get destroyed by Brainiac coming back later & he'd still say he was in the right.
 
Yeah the first game is the essential context for this. After what happened to Lois and the events of the first game his rant towards the end makes sense. How he always had to hold back and living with the constant fear of what he could do if he didn't exercise discretion. The events pushing him to where he no longer holds back at all make perfect sense for his character and ultimately where he ends up here with a power as tempting as Braniac's tech.

He straight up murdered Captain Marvel in Injustice 1.

Superman was a huuuuge piece of shit in the first game. This one dialed it back up until the end.

I feel like both endings were a bit rushed. In Batman's ending the entire stolen city thing seemed to be dropped immediately after Batman and Superman started fighting.

Holding back is one thing. It doesn't necessarily lead to anger or becoming a tyrant. Like i said, i can believe that a character like batman can become evil because hes been angry his whole life. That type of character to me is easier to get to become evil because they have that dark side in them already showing.

Superman has never had that unless you shove a red kryptonite in his face.

edit: Like, batman gets both of his parent killed right in front of him as a child, sees that shit, gets scarred for life as hes sees that, becomes super angry his whole life then is raised by his butler of all people and he turns out to be the guy thats the most logical that refuses to kill anyone and the most in control of his emotions?

But the guy who doesnt remember his parents dying, is raised as a really good person always looking out for people, has both of his adoptive parents there for him most his life, and hes the one that loses his shit and kills people to become a tyrant? Does not compute.

I know they wanna make superman more interesting but man, this is not believable at all.
 
Basically this. I can sort of understand Clark to an extent. But I don't understand WW in Injustice at all. Maybe the comic fleshes it out more?

It certainly does something.
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Hystzen

Member
You can tell they ran out of characters and ideas by last 5 chapters with the fight choices. Bane was basically Baraka and Reptile over used.
 

mas8705

Member
If we do get an Injustice 3, it is obvious that we are going to be using the Batman ending. Don't really know how you can make the plot revolving around Superman brainjacking everyone unless if we see a case where Superman decided for some reason, "Now that everyone is under my control here, I want to go to the other universes and brainjack them too!"

I'm sure you could come up with something, but the ending in Batman's is easier to work with since all you have to do is break Superman out and the cycle restarts itself all over again.
 

sinkfla87

Member
If we do get an Injustice 3, it is obvious that we are going to be using the Batman ending. Don't really know how you can make the plot revolving around Superman brainjacking everyone unless if we see a case where Superman decided for some reason, "Now that everyone is under my control here, I want to go to the other universes and brainjack them too!"

I'm sure you could come up with something, but the ending in Batman's is easier to work with since all you have to do is break Superman out and the cycle restarts itself all over again.

I honestly prefer Superman's ending lol. It'd be nice to come full circle in I3 but this time Bats can't lead the resistance and with Fate dead (he is dead, right? Helm destroyed also) it's going to be hard trying to resurrect characters or give them reasons to come back. Unless you introduce Ra's as the (co)villain, and preferably make Darkseid the lead villain.

Edit: Also, I hope Dinah and Ollie didn't leave their child in the other universe lol.
 

Order

Member
If we do get an Injustice 3, it is obvious that we are going to be using the Batman ending. Don't really know how you can make the plot revolving around Superman brainjacking everyone unless if we see a case where Superman decided for some reason, "Now that everyone is under my control here, I want to go to the other universes and brainjack them too!"

I'm sure you could come up with something, but the ending in Batman's is easier to work with since all you have to do is break Superman out and the cycle restarts itself all over again.
Supes does just that in his arcade ending lol
 
I mentioned this in the other thread, but I disagree with some of the narrative choices made in the end.

I think it would have been more consistent with the rest of the story if Supergirl was the one who had to take on Brainiac, and then had to choose between the Regime and Batman's Team. Instead it just turned into a retread of the last game's conflict.

Supergirl is set up as the protagonist, especially since she's got the strongest arc of the main characters. But she's sidelined at the end so Supes and Bats can beat Brainiac and then punch each other some more.

All that said, I really enjoyed the story overall. I love every scene where someone calls Wonder Woman out on her shit.
 

DrBo42

Member
Holding back is one thing. It doesn't necessarily lead to anger or becoming a tyrant. Like i said, i can believe that a character like batman can become evil because hes been angry his whole life. That type of character to me is easier to get to become evil because they have that dark side in them already showing.

Superman has never had that unless you shove a red kryptonite in his face.

edit: Like, batman gets both of his parent killed right in front of him as a child, sees that shit, gets scarred for life as hes sees that, becomes super angry his whole life then is raised by his butler of all people and he turns out to be the guy thats the most logical that refuses to kill anyone and the most in control of his emotions?

But the guy who doesnt remember his parents dying, is raised as a really good person always looking out for people, has both of his adoptive parents there for him most his life, and hes the one that loses his shit and kills people to become a tyrant? Does not compute.

I know they wanna make superman more interesting but man, this is not believable at all.

I just think you're being way too restrictive in how you think people take tragedy. Superman has always been an alien. He's had these human relationships here but there's always been part of him that's alone. Dude hears people screaming out for help across the planet and has to deal with tuning it out for the sake of not going insane or being crippled by guilt. His most important relationship was taken from him and worse than that, it was him that did it. You can't just say "Superman has always been a good dude, he'd never respond like this."

Personally I think he'd pull a Dr. Manhattan and just peace the fuck out either never come back or return years later after it but there's room for the highly emotional response he has in Injustice.
 

Eidan

Member
I read the comics Last week before playing the game:

- Everything related to Black canary and Green Arrow from the comics is canon.
- Nightwing death is canon since Damnian is Nightwing in the story mode. But we dont know if his death by accident is still canon.
- Alfred smacking Superman is canon as well since it get mentioned by batman.

Changes:
- Scarecrow is not dead.
- All the Rogues except Captain Cold are dead (In the comic by the end of year 5 both Golden Glider and Mirror Master were alive while the rest were killed by Bizarro).

There are probably few other changes that i might have forgotten.

With regards to Scarecrow, I got the impression that Crane was still dead, and that this was a new Scarecrow whose identity is still unknown, per this intro.
 

sinkfla87

Member
I mentioned this in the other thread, but I disagree with some of the narrative choices made in the end.

I think it would have been more consistent with the rest of the story if Supergirl was the one who had to take on Brainiac, and then had to choose between the Regime and Batman's Team. Instead it just turned into a retread of the last game's conflict.

Supergirl is set up as the protagonist, especially since she's got the strongest arc of the main characters. But she's sidelined at the end so Supes and Bats can beat Brainiac and then punch each other some more.

All that said, I really enjoyed the story overall. I love every scene where someone calls Wonder Woman out on her shit.

In all honesty, I'm glad they didn't do that because that's exactly what I was expecting. I was also expecting Superman to sacrifice and redeem himself but they didn't do that either, so I'm glad they didn't get overly​ predictable. However, I do agree that the end was kind of a disappointment in that regard, being a retread and all. This is why I prefer Superman's ending haha.
 

Hystzen

Member
Flashes arcade ending could be infinite crisis or flashpoint which prob best way go for I3. It could be a semi reboot really
 
I just think you're being way too restrictive in how you think people take tragedy. Superman has always been an alien. He's had these human relationships here but there's always been part of him that's alone. Dude hears people screaming out for help across the planet and has to deal with tuning it out for the sake of not going insane or being crippled by guilt. His most important relationship was taken from him and worse than that, it was him that did it. You can't just say "Superman has always been a good dude, he'd never respond like this."

Personally I think he'd pull a Dr. Manhattan and just peace the fuck out either never come back or return years later after it but there's room for the highly emotional response he has in Injustice.

Im not saying he wouldnt respond. Of course hed be pissed, but i believe that alien or not, he was still raised as a human by a good family. You cant just erase that if thats all youve known, alien or not. He wouldn't become a tyrant or lose his shit so he can 'control the world'. I dont believe that for a second.

Batman was raised by his god damn butler and witnessed both of his parents get murdered. Hes basically angry 24/7, cant form a relationship with anyone thats not his butler and hes the mentally stable one? lol I just cant.
 

TreIII

Member
I'm getting sick of evil Superman and the constant batwank of this series' story.

Yep.

Like someone said earlier, I had such high hopes that Kara would be the one mainly carrying the plot on her shoulders, and then maybe having to be forced to choose between her family or Batman at the end. But we didn't even get that!
 

arlucool

Member
I don't know if the basis of the plot of Injustice is something NRS personally pitched to WB, but I sure don't like that their two main franchises are sharing too many similarities: Time travel, the multiverses, a once-good power couple turning full demonic evil tyrants, no clear ending but a bunch of cliffhangers who might/might not be fully developed.

That said, I think they're the best storytellers in the fighting genre, for better or worse.
 
The batman boner is still too strong. They should have killed him off in the first game and just established Dick Grayson and Damien fighting over his legacy. Story was decent enough, like the spotlight grodd got and the fact they limited the joker exposure. Just a shame they can't do anything with superman and batman that doesn't go down the same path.
 

DrBo42

Member
Im not saying he wouldnt respond. Of course hed be pissed, but i believe that alien or not, he was still raised as a human by a good family. You cant just erase that if thats all youve known, alien or not. He wouldn't become a tyrant or lose his shit so he can 'control the world'. I dont believe that for a second.

Batman was raised by his god damn butler and witnessed both of his parents get murdered. Hes basically angry 24/7, cant form a relationship with anyone thats not his butler and hes the mentally stable one? lol I just cant.

That's the thing he's not doing it to "control the world." He's doing it as a misguided attempt to create peace and eliminate the possibility of what happened occurring again. The bad guys in these stories often don't set out to be monsters. Again you're coming at it from a very black and white approach. Batman is ruled by anger and fear by the way. Anger about his parents and now the fear of losing the people close to him he's put in the crossfire. He's absolutely able to form relationships but he remains very guarded and protective due to his past.
 
Honestly, I think the story kind of sucked, especially compared to the first. And it's been a long time since I played the first, but was the story in the first one this short?

I didnt, but i mean, i know the overall story and unless he was actually raised differently this time around, i just dont see how he can become evil just cause Lois dies. People die, people dont become evil cause of it. Unless i missed something big.

I just dont believe that someone whos been that good all their lives can just become evil because of one action. People who become evil imo already have that angry side in them. Like Batman. Batman i could believe it. But superman? That goody 2 shoes? I dont buy it at all. Real stretch.

I don't think you're really grasping that it's not just Lois dying, but the entirety of Metropolis being nuked directly afterward lol
 
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