Himynameischris
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I thought the way Enterprise handled the Borg was fine IF they had to include them but I'd much rather they didn't include them at all.
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Star Trek Discovery - official trailer in OP, 15 episodes ordered, premieres 9/24
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s_mirage
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From my perspective, the Borg Queen ruined The Borg. The problem I have is that what made the Borg scary was that they were more a force of nature than anything else. They had no leader, no government, just a hive mind dedicated to achieving the sole objective of integrating every other life form within its collective, and the harder you fight them, the faster they adapt to counter you. To paraphrase Kyle Reese: they can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are assimilated!
The Queen was an excellent one-shot movie villain, but she humanised the Borg and shouldn't have been used again. Voyager completed their ruination by making the queen a recurring character and turning them into villains of the week. They went from an inhuman, unstoppable force to space zombies with a leader.
It is, I was just answering the question. Prime or Kelvin, Vulcan will still exist.
I don't actually mind where this series is set. A Kelvin universe would tee up a bit more space shooty shooty due to the larger militarisation as seen in Star Trek 2: 2: The kind of Wrath of Khan.
But I think its been fairly securely dumped in the Prime timeline and so we get what we get. I'm ok with the look and everything being more Kelvin though. Traditional trek fans alone clearly aren't enough to keep the series funded as Enterprise got cut short and we've had nothing since. Edging toward the Kelvin look might get a few more of the modern film viewers on board who probably don't give a shit about Prime or Kelvin anyway. Id rather they went for them like this than by adding tits and ass as they did in Voyager (Though Seven was a great character, body suit or not)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
tearsintherain
Member
weekly, so you'll have to wait until week 13, marathon through all 15 episodes over 3 weeks, then cancel before next month sub hits.
alternatively they currently run a 7 day free trial so you could wait until week 15, free sub for a week, watch it all, and rinse and repeat the following year, assuming it gets renewed.
First week will air on CBS and go up on cbs.com, every episode after that will only be up on cbs.com. If you are outside the USA though, I think it'll all be available on Netflix but probably not until the season finishes airing.
It's weekly on Netflix I believe.
Yeah. It's Romulus and Remus that are fucked about 150 years down the line.
GameplayWhore
Member
Aren't Romulus and Remus pretty much fucked in either timeline? I mean, maybe they can evacuate everybody a century in advance, but that star is pretty much doomed save for a convenient god-intervention (or Spock figuring out the red matter technology a bit earlier, I suppose).
Hey, now that I think about it, would Sybok have died on Vulcan in the new timeline, or did that split happen before Spock left Vulcan to hang out with Pike?
Trailer looks.... okay, I guess. I like the lack of action-for-action's-sake. I need to be reassured that this will go back to "make you think" territory, which is when Star Trek is at its best. I am not hyped but not out of hope.
Romulus and Remus as far as CBS has established were destroyed by Sabotage. As silly as it can be Star Trek Online is considered Canon Star Trek for as long as no new series or movie contradicts it.
Mighty Chin
Banned
I don't like the look of the Klingons. What's this about them being ancient?
lastplayed
Member
Ah yes, from the supernova that travelled faster than the speed of light.
Where has this been stated? As far as I've heard, STO is no more canon than the novelverse.
To be fair though JJ's Trek had way more lens flares than would be natural. He even pointed flashlights at the lens just for the effect.
I love them though, they add to the bright hopeful future aestethic. So far Discovery's flare use seems more in line with Mass Effect. If they have constant flares during conversations it could come off as a cheap copy of a quality I think it's fair to say has so far been unique, on a noticeable level, to the alternate timeline. Even if Beyond didn't feature them.
To be fair though JJ's Trek had way more lens flares than would be natural. He even pointed flashlights at the lens just for the effect.
I love them though, they add to the bright hopeful future aestethic. So far Discovery's flare use seems more in line with Mass Effect. If they have constant flares during conversations it could come off as a cheap copy of a quality I think it's fair to say has so far been unique, on a noticeable level, to the alternate timeline. Even if Beyond didn't feature them.
Yeah there's actually footage of him pointing big flashlights at the camera to make extra lens flairs.
I don't mind the occasional lens flair but JJ really went overboard with them in his 2 Star Trek movies.
Octavianus
Banned
Some rumors and the floating sarcophagus thingy and their more 'beastly' look is making some people believe they might not be regulair Klingons of the era the show is set in.
I think that could be neat but I dunno. I'm fine with it either way. I think Star Trek can use more aliens that while clearly still humanoid are less 'dude with different nose or forehead and more 'what the fuck is that?'. And considering the Klingons are supposed to be physically intimidating this design fits them.
I don't think they look all too similair to the Kelvin timeline ones like some people are suggesting:
Kelvin:
Discovery:
Also, notice how those other klingons look quite different from the main guy as well:
Sides, either way I think the 'this aint my trek' people are being weird. It's not like Star Trek has been avove redesigning and ignoring established canon before. They're litteraly yelling at clouds at this point.
As someone who hasn't really cared for Klingon stuff all the way throughout TNG onwards I'm fine with the change. This is supposed to be an era where they are a threat and a force to be reckoned with, and distancing themselves from the TNG era in this way is only going to help stop people from seeing Worf whenever a Klingon's on screen.
Discovery:
Like I said in an earlier post, they (well this guy) don't look that much different from the traditional Klingons (unlike in JJVerse) except for the hair and the facial features which look a bit less human like.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's stupid though, since we know what TOS Klingons look like and this show is supposed to be 10 years before that...
Octavianus
Banned
Should they have brought out the cardboard sets as well?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm familiar, yes.
Rolodzeo
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whyamihere
Banned
Maybe bring back the epic fights too?
just kidding
MORE GORN
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Didn't they make up a canon reason on Enterprise for why they have smooth foreheads anyway? Or is this retconning a retcon.
whyamihere
Banned
They did and it was awful.
People would have less of an issue had they done the right thing and have the new series take place after Nemesis.
Doing yet another fucking prequel only screws things up even more.
People that complain they don't look like TOS klingons are maybe forgetting they were featured in Enterprise as "TNG" style Klingons
This was explained later in Enterprise. Arik Soong was doing his evil work again and caused the ridges to disappear.
I don't know if it was awful. Maybe stretched out longer then it needed to be. I do think it was a good idea to address it in some manner. In the TOS they're just human looking with crazy eyebrows & mustaches. The Kirk era films look onward is how people really know them and where the bulk of their development as a species took place. Better to make that the default look (like they did in Enterprise as shown from the image above) and explain away how they look in the TOS with some in universe reason. If I recall didn't the Klingons only appear like 7 times in the TOS?
No do not be beholden to that and Enterprise shows they decided a long time ago not to be beholden to how they looked in the TOS when it comes to doing content that takes place before the TOS. Yeah I have no problem with them possibly saying these Klingons are ones that didn't get hit by that virus from Enterprise. I can accept they have more ridges, etc because there is likely a higher budget for each episode here for make up, etc then there was for the past series and there are better techniques at play.
Or just ignore it, like they probably should have done in the first place. Worf's line in DS9 about the makeup was funny, but also opened up this whole issue when it really didn't need to be commented on. The Enterprise storyline made it worse.
The makeup changed, just like it did for Romulans and Trills and many other species. Just ignore it, it's a TV show.
Himynameischris
Member
If there is one thing I've noticed about ST fandom is that ignoring something is very difficult lol
Edit: The whole klingon thing in Enterprise made sense in universe so I don't see the big deal in them expanding the lore like that.
I agree that might have been the most ideal way of dealing with this. They didn't have the make up budget but they're suppose to look how Worf does and call it a day. We might be okay with that. I think majority of people that are big fans or casual fans are. Actually that's pretty much what they did with the films I believe. You're just suppose to accept that's how they were always looked because TOS was made on the cheap. With the hardcore of hardcore fandom though that's not really possible. They had to address it and I think they did okay even if they could have streamlined the overall story they did it in.
Those guys look more like cardassians than klingons...Also, notice how those other klingons look quite different from the main guy as well:
Did they? They never addressed it for other species and I don't see anyone leading a #notmyTrill campaign for Jadzia.
Anyway, it's done, but this series is going to be effected by that choice, when if they never bothered trying to explain it we wouldn't have to wonder about it now
whyamihere
Banned
The ridges never had to be addressed.
Ever.
It was so awful to even attempt to do so.
The worst continuity porn.
Ever.
It was so awful to even attempt to do so.
The worst continuity porn.
They did not need to address it. The way it was done in DS9 was fine. Worf just said they don't talk about it and it's all you need.
The only reason it ever came up is because of the episode where the DS9 crew went back in time to Kirk's enterprise and they used TOS footage.
Otherwise, they probably never would have bothered.
demosthenes
Member
She's half human half vulcan?
whyamihere
Banned
They play it off perfectly there. There was absolutely no need to explain further. It was funny, lampshaded it, we moved on.
And then Enterprise decided they needed to suck continuity's dick.
s_mirage
Member
The DS9 staff knew it was best to play it off as a joke: "We do not discuss it with outsiders". Enterprise just had to go there though...
BrokenFiction
Member
I think human raised by Vulcans?
kingkaiser
Member
I actually liked what was shown in the teaser. Don't see any problems with the Klingon redesign nor with the ship.
I just chuckled a little bit at the diversity within the bridge crew, seems somewhat shoehorned to me but well, I guess it represents the current Zeitgeist and it's Trek after all, so I will start liking the whole crew at some point.
I just chuckled a little bit at the diversity within the bridge crew, seems somewhat shoehorned to me but well, I guess it represents the current Zeitgeist and it's Trek after all, so I will start liking the whole crew at some point.
GodParticle
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Not really feeling that captain if she's the permanent one. No charisma at all. Should kill her off and have walking dead girl take over. Show itself seems kind of weird and not giving star trek vibes
Jason Isaacs' character is probably the first season's more permanent captain. Michelle Yeoh's character is probably either gonna die early on or... well, whatever else gets her out of the picture. Or her ship is an integral part of the story, but either way it seems Isaacs' Captain Lorca is the more prominent figure.