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Super Smash Bros. Community Thread |OT| Next Super Smash Bros. Discussion
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MrSaturn99
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Same! The possibilities of on-screen multiplayer and all that music...please, Sakurai/Namco!
balladofwindfishes
Member
Given that MK8 Deluxe is flying off shelves and selling Switches like there's no tomorrow, I think that makes Smash 4 Deluxe all the more likely.
I think it'll be a 2018 release, though. This year is already pretty full of quality Switch titles to move consoles. I also think this is why we haven't really heard much about it, yet. Because it's not coming for awhile.
I think it'll be a 2018 release, though. This year is already pretty full of quality Switch titles to move consoles. I also think this is why we haven't really heard much about it, yet. Because it's not coming for awhile.
On 3DS, I've repeatedly run into trying to upload stuff after a long period of time to find I'm kinda shadow-banned, something along "you posted enough for today ", which is zero. I'm going to need to contact customer support for this, once again.
Anybody know what the fuck has happened there?
Anybody know what the fuck has happened there?
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
Never mind, heh.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
In the meantime, have some Palu/Zelda imageries.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/blkn3ko/posts
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/blkn3ko/posts
Triforce141
Member
I thought it'd be interesting to post this Smash Wii U mod, someone imported the Ice Climbers and their moveset / animations over Dr. Mario (albeit it's just a Ice Climber and no duo)
It still has a lot of jankiness, but all things considered, it's impressive to see, link to the mod
Maybe someone will do a Snake import over Dark Pit, who knows
It still has a lot of jankiness, but all things considered, it's impressive to see, link to the mod
Maybe someone will do a Snake import over Dark Pit, who knows
The ARMS Direct got me hyped for the potential of Spring Man in Smash (though I have a terrible feeling that he'll miss out like Inkling did before...), so I'm in the mood for some SSB6 roster discussion!
Let's say Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch adds 8 new fighters, bringing the roster up to 64 fighters total (or 66 if you count the Mii Fighters individually). Who do you hope/expect to see?
My picks (in no particular order):
Let's say Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch adds 8 new fighters, bringing the roster up to 64 fighters total (or 66 if you count the Mii Fighters individually). Who do you hope/expect to see?
My picks (in no particular order):
Veterans
- Ice Climbers
- Wolf
- Snake
Newcomers - Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)
- Inkling (Splatoon)
- Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
- Decidueye (Pokémon Sun / Moon)
- Spring Man (ARMS)
Honorable Mentions
- Paper Mario
- Dixie Kong or King K. Rool
- Takamaru
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
What about Third Party newcomers?
I'm not expecting anymore third-party newcomers. If this really is just an expanded port, we'll likely get less new fighters than usual, and there are so many more first-party characters that should be in before more third-parties at this point. Aside from bringing Snake back for the sake of completion, I really don't think there are any noteworthy third-party characters that really should be including at the moment. I could get behind a second Square Enix rep, likely from Dragon Quest, but aside from that I really don't see anything else happening.
Rhythm Heaven and Splatoon are well overdue for fighters in Smash at this point, and ARMS looks to be following in Splatoon's footsteps so it'd be nice to get representation from that as well if it's really on track to become the next big Nintendo IP. Elma and Decidueye aren't quite as necessary, but they make perfect sense and would be welcome additions. Elma brings Xenoblade representation beyond the original Xenoblade Chronicles, and Decidueye would be the new Pokémon, and finally giving us another Grass-type in Smash. There are 5 fighters right there that feel a lot more necessary than any other third-party character at the moment.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
bringing back Dr Mario and Roy but not Pichu is still a sin
if you're bringing back IC then might as well bring back all of the previous
I think a Persona 5 Switch would make an eventual Persona rep inevitable. They could even have it so that Joker has multiple Personas, which in turn could be the more iconic SMT demons.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I completely understand your point on that matters. I really hope that we wouldn't get any characters cut from Smash for 3DS and Wii U to Smash for Switch..
People is going to be surprised when they are going to hear something about Smash for Switch.
Triforce141
Member
We're doing roster speculation again?
I can see the case for someone like Elma, but Xenoblade X has already come and gone. With Xenoblade 2 is coming up, why bother with an older game when you can hype up the newer one?
- Inkling (Super popular franchise and has a sequel coming out)
- Spring Man (ARMS is a new franchise that has people interested in it)
- Takamaru (Who else is left for obscure NES/Famicom representatives, and Sakurai considered him twice already, let him in?)
- Rhythm Heaven Rep
- A Pokemon (It's Pokemon)
- A Fire Emblem character (It's Fire Emblem)
- Bomberman (If there's any third party newcomer, it's him, Super Bomberman R is a major hit, and Konami wants to have a better image than recent times,
)they can start with putting Snake back
I can see the case for someone like Elma, but Xenoblade X has already come and gone. With Xenoblade 2 is coming up, why bother with an older game when you can hype up the newer one?
Red Arremer
Member
RIP Bomberman and Castlevania
You really don't want to push me to do this, Triforce141.
Well, Pichu is more redundant than Dr. Mario or Roy. There are 802 Pokémon out there, and we have 6 in Smash already (with two more being left being in Brawl after Pokémon Trainer's separation). The last thing we need is a Pokémon clone character, especially not one of the same type and evolutionary line as an existing Smash character. I'd expect Squirtle and Ivysaur to return before Pichu, and that's not gonna happen either.
At least Dr. Mario represents a series of puzzle games, and Roy represents the GBA Fire Emblem games (well, the first two at least), and has a unique design despite being mostly a clone.
I'd think representation from Xenoblade Chronicles X is more important than from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. X is a separate branch of the Xenoblade series (with clear intentions for an eventual sequel), while 2 is a continuation from the original in some way. Why have two characters from the same branch of the series when you can have one from each?
I mean, sorry, lol, but I just don't see the necessity. Would it be nice? Sure, but there are far more characters that should have priority, I think. We've got our SEGA, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix mascot characters. Square Enix with Final Fantasy was the last one that really stuck out as a big name that's missing from Smash that should be there, and we got that with Cloud. I suppose Konami would be up next, but I can't see anything more happening than Snake coming back, and that's even extremely uncertain.RIP Bomberman and Castlevania
TheDinoman
Member
feh
Red Arremer
Member
Pichu represents more than just being some random ass Pokemon though.
In fact, I would argue that Pichu is much more likely to return than either Squirtle or Ivysaur.
Pichu represents Gen 2, which is one of the several generations that currently do not have any representation. Meanwhile the other two are from Gen 1, and out of the 6 Pokemon characters we have 4 are from Gen 1.
Pichu also represents aspects that were brought to Pokemon through Gen 2: Breeding and Baby Pokemon.
The other 2 are just starters. And we already got the most popular starter from Gen 1 (Charizard). Ivysaur in particular simply was picked because Squirtle and Charizard already were the first and last evolutions of starters that had been picked - I would argue that Venusaur and especially Bulbasaur are more popular than Ivysaur. And as an additional argument against Squirtle, we also got Greninja as the water starter character.
And finally, clone characters take much fewer resources than full unique characters - Pichu would be a lot easier to create than either Squirtle or Ivysaur would be.
Without Pokemon Trainer returning, Squirtle and Ivysaur are goners. And with Charizard being absolutely fine on his own, I'm not sure if Pokemon Trainer will indeed ever come back. Especially if a hypothetical new Smash brings in Decidueye or some other Grass pokemon to take Ivysaur's place.
Geminosity
Member
Kind of depressing that if ARMS does get a character it's likely to be Spring Man rather than... I dunno, how about any of the characters who rate infinitely higher on popularity from the series. The 'protagonist problem' rears it's ugly head once again :/
Also, you forgot to include Ashley in 'add' ;D
Heh. Palu needs all the help she can get. While they're revamping her moveset they could revamp her personality so she's actually more like... well... Palutena
feh
Also, you forgot to include Ashley in 'add' ;D
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Now I'm curious. What do you have in your mind now?
Dimitri LH
Member
Feels like I am the only one who is comfortable with default Palutena. If I were to ask for a revamp, it would probably be.....to be honest im fine with how the roster is.
If they were to add a third party, I would hope its bomberman, or someone completely unexpected like Cloud.
If they were to add a third party, I would hope its bomberman, or someone completely unexpected like Cloud.
Red Arremer
Member
There's a lot more obscure Famicom/NES characters than Takamaru.
Sure, but a new Pokémon would be better than bringing back any of those three. I wasn't advocating for bringing back Squirtle and Ivysaur. And yeah, I know clones take less resources, but you still have to consider that it means another character slot, another fighter to add to All-Star mode, another amiibo, etc. Pokémon and Fire Emblem are both facing the same issue when it comes to fighter representation in Smash. They're both franchises with new characters being regularly introduced, and to have balanced representation it's important to include characters from throughout the series for each. But it also becomes a problem of having too many characters if fighters are just continually added like that. That's not to say that I'm suggesting removing old fighters to make room for new, but rather the wiser decision may be to leave out those fighters that have already been cut previously, especially if adding a newer character would be a better choice for representation overall. And Roy coming back was better for Fire Emblem's representation than Pichu coming back would be for Pokémon's, since Fire Emblem is now more heavily represented towards the latter end of the franchise, while Pokémon is already stacked full towards the beginning with Gen I Pokémon. Better to go with a Gen VII Pokémon at this point than Gen II, I say.
Even if they do a Ribbon Girl / Spring Man using the same moveset, it'll still be the game's weaker designs getting the spotlight. Given the drastically more positive reactions to characters like Min Min and Twintelle, it's a shame they didn't go with something more appealing to spearhead the game's identity - to drag back the obvious comparison again, the basic Inklings were able to stand out in their own right while also being the simplest representation of the game as a whole - there wasn't a sense that they were being pushed in over more interesting options when included as the game's representatives in, for example, Mario Kart.
Geminosity
Member
Very much agreed.
The design of the inklings never fails to impress me and despite having 'set' characters like Callie and Marie, the core aesthetic is strong enough that I feel there are few who'd object to just 'an inkling' being the rep for splatoon.
I think Spring Man's design is pretty great, honestly... As much as I love the characters in ARMS, a lot of them are a bit too busy in my opinion (especially Twintelle, as much as I like the character). Spring Man's great because his design is simple and nicely represents the game. I do really like Min Min's design as well, but not being the main character aside, choosing ramen-ARMS over spring-ARMS to represent the game would be a very odd choice, lol.
TheDinoman
Member
By the way, Tyeforce, I do appreciate how you arranged your roster. You actually did something most people don't: arrange it all in chronological order, which is how the CSS was originally set up before the clones and DLC characters came along and shitted everything up.
All the multi-rep series:
Mario extended universe (July 9, 1981)
The Legend of Zelda (February 21, 1986)
Metroid (August 6, 1986)
Kid Icarus (December 19, 1986)
Mother (July 27, 1989)
Fire Emblem (April 20, 1990)
Kirby (April 27, 1992)
Star Fox (February 21, 1993)
Pokémon (February 27, 1996)
Xenoblade Chronicles (June 10, 2010)
In between the gaps, the single rep series also go in chronological order.
Game & Watch (April 28, 1980)
Punch-Out!! (February 1984)
Duck Hunt (April 21, 1984)
Ice Climber (January 30, 1985)
R.O.B. (July 26, 1985)
F-Zero (November 21, 1990)
Animal Crossing (April 14, 2001)
Pikmin (October 26, 2001)
Rhythm Heaven (August 3, 2006)
Wii Fit (December 1, 2007)
Splatoon (May 28, 2015)
ARMS (June 16, 2017)
Also, the third parties at the end are in chronological order as well. That being said, I think you should put Cloud before Sonic. Yes, Final Fantasy 7 debuted in 1997, but Cloud's meant to represent Final Fantasy as a whole, which began back in 1987. It's why on the current CSS, Ness is placed right before Captain Falcon. His game (Earthbound) may of came after F-Zero, but Mother still existed beforehand.
PAC-MAN (May 22, 1980)
Metal Gear (July 7, 1987)
Street Fighter (August 30, 1987)
Mega Man (December 17, 1987)
Final Fantasy (December 18, 1987)
Sonic The Hedgehog (June 23, 1991)
Bayonetta (October 29, 2009)
All the multi-rep series:
Mario extended universe (July 9, 1981)
The Legend of Zelda (February 21, 1986)
Metroid (August 6, 1986)
Kid Icarus (December 19, 1986)
Mother (July 27, 1989)
Fire Emblem (April 20, 1990)
Kirby (April 27, 1992)
Star Fox (February 21, 1993)
Pokémon (February 27, 1996)
Xenoblade Chronicles (June 10, 2010)
In between the gaps, the single rep series also go in chronological order.
Game & Watch (April 28, 1980)
Punch-Out!! (February 1984)
Duck Hunt (April 21, 1984)
Ice Climber (January 30, 1985)
R.O.B. (July 26, 1985)
F-Zero (November 21, 1990)
Animal Crossing (April 14, 2001)
Pikmin (October 26, 2001)
Rhythm Heaven (August 3, 2006)
Wii Fit (December 1, 2007)
Splatoon (May 28, 2015)
ARMS (June 16, 2017)
Also, the third parties at the end are in chronological order as well. That being said, I think you should put Cloud before Sonic. Yes, Final Fantasy 7 debuted in 1997, but Cloud's meant to represent Final Fantasy as a whole, which began back in 1987. It's why on the current CSS, Ness is placed right before Captain Falcon. His game (Earthbound) may of came after F-Zero, but Mother still existed beforehand.
PAC-MAN (May 22, 1980)
Metal Gear (July 7, 1987)
Street Fighter (August 30, 1987)
Mega Man (December 17, 1987)
Final Fantasy (December 18, 1987)
Sonic The Hedgehog (June 23, 1991)
Bayonetta (October 29, 2009)
That's right, thanks for noticing! And you're absolutely right about Cloud, I slipped up there! Funny thing is, I made the same mistake with my amiibo collection when making room for the upcoming Smash Bros. amiibo. My collection is currently arranged with the same logic as this and the pre-DLC character select screen, but it was previously arranged by each characters' first appearance like in All-Star Mode, so when I rearranged I guess I still had that order in mind when making room for Cloud. And same mistake here, it seems! lol
Anyway, I fixed it:
Geminosity
Member
I find him utterly forgettable (No joke, I actually frequently forget he exists) but each to their own. The problem is that there are characters in the series a great deal more people seem to like / would actually want to play over spring man, but because he's the 'default' or 'the protagonist' he gets in over them. If he wasn't the chosen default by the devs and/or marketing back before the game was unveiled to the public then he wouldn't even be in the running.
Pieman0920
Member
Honestly, given what we know about them, I think it would be a disservice to have Spring Girl share a slot with Spring Man, since while their core concept of stretchy arms are the same, they appear as if they play fundamentally different in ARMs itself. While who knows what Sakurai would do in the end, since the Koopalings are all vastly different from each other and Bowser Jr, Spring Girl probably would be best represented as a clone who has slight differences like having multiple jumps, probably some different elemental effects on her punches, and probably a lack of that fighting spirit thing that Spring Man would likely have.
stan423321
Member
On the other hand, he's exactly as bland he is because he is designed as the marketing default. If, for instance, the mummy guy was the face of the franchise, he probably wouldn't end up being a mummy (unless all the other fighters got a light horror theme or something). The real alternative is to not have a real default marketing face but that's the hard mode given ARMS is not based on existing franchise.
At the same time it's no Fire Emblem or Kirby where it makes sense that the most special character is in the spotlight. Spring Man has to represent all of the other playable characters somewhat, so he is destined to be average barring some really minor things like fondness for pizza and unique if obvious arm theme. Being the baseline is his entire point.
I agree. It makes sense for Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings because the character is more the Junior Clown Car than anything, and in it they all have the same abilities. Similarly, Oilmar and Alph work because the character is mostly the Pikmin, and Olimar and Alph don't really have any unique abilities either. Spring Man and Ribbon Girl are too different to share a character slot, I'd say.
balladofwindfishes
Member
RIP Bomberman and Castlevania
If Bomberman ever had a chance to be in Smash, the next Smash game would be the one I'd put him at having the best chance for.
The Switch Bomberman game is pretty popular.
TheDinoman
Member
I still really hate how the Koopalings use Bowser Jr.'s paint brush in their final smash.
In all honesty, I would of rather had Jr.'s FS be summoning a bunch of SMB3 airships. His moveset in Smash basically owes a lot from from the New Super Mario Bros. games already, and it would of definitely accommodated the Koopalings much better. I know Sakurai probably felt obligated to throw in the paint brush somewhere because that's what most people associate the character with, but in that case, I would of rather not had the Koopalings as his alt costumes then, and instead just give BJ proper palette swaps.
In all honesty, I would of rather had Jr.'s FS be summoning a bunch of SMB3 airships. His moveset in Smash basically owes a lot from from the New Super Mario Bros. games already, and it would of definitely accommodated the Koopalings much better. I know Sakurai probably felt obligated to throw in the paint brush somewhere because that's what most people associate the character with, but in that case, I would of rather not had the Koopalings as his alt costumes then, and instead just give BJ proper palette swaps.
Professor Beef
Banned
Geminosity
Member
While I see what you're saying, I think that's a bad route to take personally. Unless i'm mistaken Blizzard somewhere along the way seemed to decide that Tracer would be the 'face' of overwatch before it came out yet she in no way represents the baseline of their game. Teleporting back in time isn't a standard moveset for overwatch characters
Yet she's not bland either, with her over the top english accent and attitude.The idea that the character pushed to the front to rep a franchise should be boring as hell seems pretty counter-intuitive to me and Overwatch certainly didn't seem to suffer from not following it. As we mentioned before, the inklings are a great rep for their series despite having 'set' characters like callie and marie with more detail because despite being the 'base' its a pretty interesting and memorable base to build off of.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
I think there's one possibility for Smash Switch that I don't see brought up much. What about a Pokemon Trainer 2?
The original is probably not coming back since Charizard is a solo character now. But I'd be down for a new Pokemon Trainer based on the same concept, using different Pokemon. Say one from Hoenn, one from Unova, and one from Alola (or Johto or something if they want to give Alola its own spot). It'd be great, since transforming characters were eliminated for technical reasons, and theoretically that wouldn't be an issue on Switch. They could use PT2 and Ice Climbers to show that off.
Though I think Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zamus are best as separate fighters, and there are probably non-technical arguments to do away with transforming characters altogether. I just was thinking about the possibility.
The original is probably not coming back since Charizard is a solo character now. But I'd be down for a new Pokemon Trainer based on the same concept, using different Pokemon. Say one from Hoenn, one from Unova, and one from Alola (or Johto or something if they want to give Alola its own spot). It'd be great, since transforming characters were eliminated for technical reasons, and theoretically that wouldn't be an issue on Switch. They could use PT2 and Ice Climbers to show that off.
Though I think Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zamus are best as separate fighters, and there are probably non-technical arguments to do away with transforming characters altogether. I just was thinking about the possibility.
I'm not convinced that PT will ever come back - at least not how he was done in Brawl with the switching mechanic.
That being said, I would like to see PT function as an "alt" for the playable Pokėmon. The Trainer can be in the background and bark orders during the battle. This would also allow for multiple Trainers for the different generations - Red for Charizard and Serena for Greninja for example.
Hell, it doesn't even necessarily have to be linked to playable Trainers. They could also include other popular human characters such as Blue, Cynthia and Looker.
I think that'd be a good compromise, whilst also providing some of the more popular human faces a chance to appear in Smash. The Trainer/Pokémon dynamic is central to the main series, so it'd be cool to see Smash reflect that once more.
That being said, I would like to see PT function as an "alt" for the playable Pokėmon. The Trainer can be in the background and bark orders during the battle. This would also allow for multiple Trainers for the different generations - Red for Charizard and Serena for Greninja for example.
Hell, it doesn't even necessarily have to be linked to playable Trainers. They could also include other popular human characters such as Blue, Cynthia and Looker.
I think that'd be a good compromise, whilst also providing some of the more popular human faces a chance to appear in Smash. The Trainer/Pokémon dynamic is central to the main series, so it'd be cool to see Smash reflect that once more.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I think they should have Red run around in the background for Ivysaur, to give her some reason to be added beyond "she was a vet at one point"
TheDinoman
Member
The transformation mechanic was lame, folks. Lets just keep that shit in the past and forget it ever happened, lol.
Definitely one good aspect of the 3DS version holding the Wii U one back.
Definitely one good aspect of the 3DS version holding the Wii U one back.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
how many pokemon there are is irrelevant, its a fighting game character that didn't return and one of two that are still missing, and theres no replacement smash pick for an intentionally weak/self harming character. They bring back puff and mewtwo as veterans too.
you're ok with Roy being pretty close to a clone tho? nobody said they have to be clones as dlc
balladofwindfishes
Member
As far as I'm concerned, Pichu is the only character from Melee not currently in Smash. I consider Toon Link and Young Link to be the same character and I use their names interchangeably. Pretty much everyone I know irl thinks the same way. They play very similar and share some animations and sound effects.
Pichu reps the second gen of Pokemon and the Game Boy Color. There are exactly 0 GBC characters on the roster and barely any second gen Pokemon representation at all (the only GSC song in Smash is Pichu's old Melee medley). That, and Pichu being a vet are enough to justify him returning to me.
Pichu reps the second gen of Pokemon and the Game Boy Color. There are exactly 0 GBC characters on the roster and barely any second gen Pokemon representation at all (the only GSC song in Smash is Pichu's old Melee medley). That, and Pichu being a vet are enough to justify him returning to me.
MrSaturn99
Member
Pichu coming back would be pretty funny, if only for the inevitable negative reaction.
For whatever reason he was one of my favorite Melee characters as a kid, so there'd be some nostalgia, too.
For whatever reason he was one of my favorite Melee characters as a kid, so there'd be some nostalgia, too.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Pichu looked awful in Melee. Shrinking Pikachu's animations down made some of Pichu's animations look super janky, and there was something "off" about his model that didn't quite look on model with regular Pichu.
He'd need some work, but not really that much. Just clean up the jank and make him match his 3DS design and he'd be fine. A few new attacks based on stuff like Splash, Sweet Kiss, Nuzzle or Charm would be nice as well.
He'd need some work, but not really that much. Just clean up the jank and make him match his 3DS design and he'd be fine. A few new attacks based on stuff like Splash, Sweet Kiss, Nuzzle or Charm would be nice as well.