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Microsoft will ‘show the world what’s next’ at May 23rd event in Shanghai

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ThoseDeafMutes

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brotkasten said:
Which is better than the 3-5 hours I get on my SP4. And honestly, I don't care what exactly they have to do to the OS and hardware, but give me some goddamn iPad battery life.
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They promised what, 9 hours on SP4? Hopefully they delivered a more realistic figure this time but I'd find it hard to believe.

Surface Book has had probably 4-6 hours for me depending on usage scenarios but I never really timed it. That's just my intuition.
 
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brotkasten

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Hammer24 said:
SB2 - when?
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No one knows, of course. Most likely around this Fall, considering that they sorta-refreshed it last October with the new Performance Base. It could also be late Summer, who knows. The Surface line was never on a consistent 12 month refresh-cycle anyway.

ThoseDeafMutes said:
They promised what, 9 hours on SP4? Hopefully they delivered a more realistic figure this time but I'd find it hard to believe.

Surface Book has had probably 4-6 hours for me depending on usage scenarios but I never really timed it. That's just my intuition.
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They're measuring the battery life with video playback tests, which should get them a big fat fine for false advertising.
 
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Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
The product that is longest in the tooth is the Surface Non Pro.

That shit is older than anything else, and it's in bad need of an update.
 
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brotkasten

Member
Brad Sams just tweeted that the LTE version is coming later this year. lmao

e: I just watched the video. Interesting that they're marketing it as a laptop now and not as "the tablet that can replace your laptop".
 
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Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
gamz said:
That will never happen. I think that line is dead and replaced with the Laptop.
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I don't disagree, but the laptop isn't really that much cheaper than the surface pro.

Neither are actual viable Surface non pro replacements.
 
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Zeknurn

Member
gamz said:
Then buy a pro 4. I think there's no space for the nonpro anymore.
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A non-pro Surface with the Snapdragon 835 and its ability to run x86 apps would make sense though.

It would allow for much better battery life than what these Intel chips give.
 
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Grazzt

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Wait, it seems the pen does not come with the machine this time. You have to purchase it separately... wtf Microsoft?!
 
Mick Swagger

Mick Swagger

Member
I keep wanting to give MS my money but clearly they don't want it. They don't seem to be doing anything to close the touch based application gap between their competitors. UWP is not enough if they're not making strides. Even their touch based apps are far superior on competing platforms.

Looks like I'll be waiting for that 10.5-11 iPad Pro & updated Apple Pencil.
 
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ThoseDeafMutes

Member
Doffen said:
ok..



From @Daniel_Rubino
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This must be what he was talking about when he was getting his USB's muddled and saying something about the surface connect. I'm interested to see what form that's in, but honestly, a dongle is defeating the point for the most part.

brotkasten said:
It saves the consumer zero money, only Microsoft. This is clearly some huge bullshit. What the fuck.
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I mean on the one hand yes, but when they launched the SP4 sku without Pen it was cheaper than the one with pen. I assume they will be trying to pull a fast one on us where the New Surface Pro launches in the SP4 original price bracket, but without pens, but I haven't seen my regional pricing to confirm that.
 
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Maximo

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As always interested in the software side and how it runs since the software has always been the weakest part of it with the odd bugs here and there.
 
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brotkasten

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Seriously, what the fuck are they doing with the Surface brand? It's supposed to be a premium brand aimed at creators and then they release a cookie-cutter Ultrabook. Now they're rebranding the Surface Pro from the "tablet that can replace your laptop" to a "versatile laptop", while they keep selling it without a keyboard. And to put the cherry on top of this shit-cake, they removed the pen as well?

Grazzt said:
Yeah...unless they drop the price for that
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The pen is $99.
 
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gamz

Member
brotkasten said:
Seriously, what the fuck are they doing with the Surface brand? It's supposed to be a premium brand aimed at creators and then they release a cookie-cutter Ultrabook. Not they're rebranding the Surface Pro as a "versatile laptop", while they keep selling it without a keyboard and to put the cherry on top of this shit-cake, they removed the pen as well?



The pen is $99.
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They've always sold it without the keyboard. Calm down breh.

The Surface Laptop is aimed at non creative types. You have the pro and studio aimed at creative types.
 
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brotkasten

Member
gamz said:
They've always sold it without the keyboard. Calm down breh.
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The difference is that they market is as a laptop now. How is this not a problem?

"The tablet that can replace your laptop" vs "The most versatile laptop"

Stop being so obtuse while defending these shit moves. At least put some effort into it, if you're so inclined to waste everyone's time.
 
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gamz

Member
brotkasten said:
The difference is that they market is as a laptop now. How is this not a problem?

"The tablet that can replace your laptop" vs "The most versatile laptop"

Stop being so obtuse while defending these shit moves. At least put some effort into it, if you're so inclined to waste everyone's time.
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they've always sold the keyboard separate. I don't know what to tell you or why you are shocked at it? Dunno?
 
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Xyphie

Member
Interesting that the Core i5 models are fanless. MS Store says HD 620 graphics so it's actually a 15W part and not a Y-series CPU. Has to be some downclocking going on there?
 
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giga

Member
Xyphie said:
Interesting that the Core i5 models are fanless. MS Store says HD 620 graphics so it's actually a 15W part and not a Y-series CPU. Has to be some downclocking going on there?
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For sure. TDP down to 7.5W I'm guessing. Anandtech said the same for the new huawei.
 
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Shogmaster

Member
brotkasten said:
Any hot takes on the improved pen?

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/23/15674228/microsoft-surface-pen-features-improvements
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Too many questions, not enough answers from useless tech journos at these events:

Q:
- Is it backwards compatible with previous N-Trig DuoSense 2 devices?
- Is it a version of Wacom's gen 13 dual protocol pen with 1 gram initial Detection Force load sensor or is it more of the same 5 gram load sensor on the previous Surface pens?
- Why is it $99 when Wacom's dual protocol pen Bamboo Ink Smart is only $69? Does Bamboo Ink Smart lack a second coil for the tilt or is MS just extra gung ho to rip everyone off?

I honestly don't know if any site asked these questions. The 4096 levels of pressure matches the figure seen from Wacom's gen 13 pen presentation, so I'm inclined to think this is using Wacom's load sensor and other parts. But that's just a guess. I'm also worried about that price gap. Wacom's never been known for pricing things reasonably. So assuming that MS is charging $99 for their gen 13 Wacom parts tilt pen, then why is their own retail pen only $69? Is Wacom feeling generous all of the sudden or does it lack the second coil for tilt?

Supposedly the Bamboo Ink Smart will hit my local Best Buy sometime this week, so we shall find out soon.

EDIT: Just read that Verge article. 12 gram activation force? Go fuck yourself with your $99 pen MS. So this pen is NOT using Wacom load sensor and is just their own solution. Yeesh... 12 grams? That's worse than their last pen's 10 grams! Even Wacom's old old load sensor they stopped using back in 2012 did 3 grams. WTF...
 
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sploatee

formerly Oynox Slider
Bad_Boy said:
Well fuck... i just saw this thread. Hours after i just ordered a surface book.
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it's still a great laptop...i'm genuinely impressed by it after a few months.





The best addition MS could make would be for the Surface Book keyboard to be usable when detached (like the Vaio Canvas).
 
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Futureman

Member
Fanless i5 is GREAT!

I don't believe any battery claims until people actually test these in the real world. My SP4 m3 gets like 2 hours when using Chrome & Photoshop at ~50% brightness. I realize Chrome is a battery hog and PS is pretty intensive but 2 hours is really bad.
 
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Futureman

Member
From the Verge...

"Like the Surface Laptop, Microsoft is promising sleep improvements with the new Surface Pro so you can confidently open and close the device and maintain battery life. That's been a problem on the Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book previously, and it appears Microsoft has solved it for its latest Surface Laptop and Pro devices."
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/23/15674198/microsoft-surface-pro-price-features-availability

Oh cool why don't you push that update to the SP4 instead of locking it behind a new version? SHEESH.

"One of the biggest changes to the Surface Pro is a new Surface Pen. It doesn't come in the box anymore, so you'll be able to purchase it separately for $99."

Wow that's lame.
 
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hanspampel

Banned
new fanless i5
alcantara cover
lte
lower latency pen
more battery life
everything the same, but slightly upgraded


is THIS the perfect device?
 
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brotkasten

Member
Prices for Germany:

949€ / 128 GB / Core m3 / 4 GB
1149€ / 128 GB / Core i5 / 4 GB
1449€ / 256 GB / Core i5 / 8 GB
1799€ / 256 GB / Core i7 / 8 GB
2499€ / 512 GB / Core i7 / 16 GB
2999€ / 1 TB / Core i7 / 16 GB RAM

e: The site also mentions that the 13.5 hours battery life were a video test with the i5 / 256 / 8GB model. Bullshit fantasy numbers, as expected.
 
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ty_hot

Member
Do those Germany prices include the keyboard? If not, how much is it?

I hope SP4 price drops a lot... the improvements are nice but not dealbreakers.

edit. why the fuck does Microsoft insist in having 4GB RAM laptops/hybrids in the middle of 2017?
 
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