TheProdigal
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Barry is prob gonna comeback like 5 minutes into the next ep or the end of the ep at most like dean did in supernatural when he went to hell.
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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
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Piku_Ringo
Banned
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!! It could be worse. It could be a Zeno button situation where the timeline and it's multiverse gets deleted to get ride of the bad guy.
Discotheque
Banned
Oh wow this show sucks ass
I liked that they fought in the woods though. That was a much welcome change from the usual settings in flash.
And that ending just means nothing with these dcw shows. Maybe it would have worked in like season 6 or something where just maybe we get the chance of a big shakeup for a little while. But with this I imagine Barry will be away from the main team for half an episode tops next season. Maybe 1 whole episode but that would be a shock.
Much more excited about arrows finale for sure. At least that season has been consistently entertaining. This one has gotten dull.
Captain Colds return last time was fun tho. Miller is always having a blast hamming up that role
I liked that they fought in the woods though. That was a much welcome change from the usual settings in flash.
And that ending just means nothing with these dcw shows. Maybe it would have worked in like season 6 or something where just maybe we get the chance of a big shakeup for a little while. But with this I imagine Barry will be away from the main team for half an episode tops next season. Maybe 1 whole episode but that would be a shock.
Much more excited about arrows finale for sure. At least that season has been consistently entertaining. This one has gotten dull.
Captain Colds return last time was fun tho. Miller is always having a blast hamming up that role
Supermanisdead
Member
this finale and this whole season sucked assssss
Monochromaticx
Member
me too.
Regginator
Member
Just started watching, not even 3 minutes in and they actually went with HR being Iris in disguise with that morph gadget or whatever it was called. I don't know what to say, you really can't make this shit up. They have been on a roll with some bad writing from the start of this season, but everything after Savatar's reveal really is some next level terribly shitty writing. I have no idea if these people are behind the writing of the first two seasons (granted, season 2 had some dumb moments as well), but the people behind season 3 have proven to be extremely incompetent and need to be replaced.
Let's see how this dumpster fire of a season ends. A little more than half an hour of agony remains.
Let's see how this dumpster fire of a season ends. A little more than half an hour of agony remains.
They really didn't know what they wanted this season did they?
I love how they started the episode with the reveal that it wasn't Iris. It was like they knew how predictable it was, so they just gave up.
There was no 'holy shit' moment this season.. at least with Zoom we had the moment where he completely destroyed Barry
I love how they started the episode with the reveal that it wasn't Iris. It was like they knew how predictable it was, so they just gave up.
There was no 'holy shit' moment this season.. at least with Zoom we had the moment where he completely destroyed Barry
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, I felt real annoyed when they (expectedly) reveal it to be H.R. We all knew it was coming and it was a terrible swap.
HR dying had me laughing. I cant believe we have turned tv shows into "who gets to die instead of that character who had an arc for a whole season".
Seriously. HR UNDERSTOOD LIFE.
Question is, did Life understand HR?
And you better write out Barry of this show if you cant even portray him as someone competent. His best portrayal was still in the Arrow, his first appearence.
Seriously. HR UNDERSTOOD LIFE.
Question is, did Life understand HR?
And you better write out Barry of this show if you cant even portray him as someone competent. His best portrayal was still in the Arrow, his first appearence.
Eh... that whole finale felt really disjointed to me. The ending kinda came outta nowhere so it makes the whole season seem rushed and didn't give the end the poignancy it needed. I don't know the comics so i have no idea what the "Rebirth" storyline is that many have mentioned. But Wally does not have the charisma to carry this show for long, I see Barry back within an episode or two whuch makes this season even more disappointing overall.
Man I don't know what to think about that finale. I was really into the idea of Savitar being redeemed because I thought that was the only non-bullshit way of fixing the timeline without stupid speed bazukas etc. but they still fucked it up. I think this would've been the best path to go down had they actually dedicated more episodes and time to evil Barry so there's an actual emotional pay off if he did become good. It just felt so rushed trying to put that in for 20 mins.
I also predicted that Barry would willingly sacrifice himself to the Speedforce but I imagined it was because he was so broken from Iris' death that this was the only way for him to stop Savitar forever. It's admirable that he did it even though he was mentally in a good place but it just felt rushed. It didn't feel like the season was building to this.
The final itself isn't bad but the whole season's pacing has been so poor. I can only really remember 3-4 episodes before ep 20 that actually had any relevance or development to the overarching Savitar story line which is poor imo.
I also predicted that Barry would willingly sacrifice himself to the Speedforce but I imagined it was because he was so broken from Iris' death that this was the only way for him to stop Savitar forever. It's admirable that he did it even though he was mentally in a good place but it just felt rushed. It didn't feel like the season was building to this.
The final itself isn't bad but the whole season's pacing has been so poor. I can only really remember 3-4 episodes before ep 20 that actually had any relevance or development to the overarching Savitar story line which is poor imo.
Nah. I'm sick of her. I like the actress a lot but she's being wasted as the love interest. She barely had any agency this season and it was her life at stake.
Regginator
Member
(Spoilers for the season finale below, not tagged because I don't think it's necessary anymore two days after it's available, right?)
So.... what the fuck was this? We're gonna end the season on an unfinished story? Not even a cliffhanger or anything, but actually mid-story? After a laughably bad first 5 minutes with Iris living and HR dying (hooray to the morph gadget), it was actually pretty good with Barry going the Gandhi run, Savitar seemingly looking for his redemption, ultimately failing, and then the final fight was pretty fun, too. After the fight, it's basically what you'd expect, just some sentimental stuff wrapping up the season. Until that Speed Force earthquake stuff breaks out, and it gets very interesting all of a sudden. Barry seemingly sacrifices himself, and... it just ends?
Very typical of this shitty season. The second it threatens to get interesting, they cut it off.
So.... what the fuck was this? We're gonna end the season on an unfinished story? Not even a cliffhanger or anything, but actually mid-story? After a laughably bad first 5 minutes with Iris living and HR dying (hooray to the morph gadget), it was actually pretty good with Barry going the Gandhi run, Savitar seemingly looking for his redemption, ultimately failing, and then the final fight was pretty fun, too. After the fight, it's basically what you'd expect, just some sentimental stuff wrapping up the season. Until that Speed Force earthquake stuff breaks out, and it gets very interesting all of a sudden. Barry seemingly sacrifices himself, and... it just ends?
Very typical of this shitty season. The second it threatens to get interesting, they cut it off.
HeartlessNobody213
Member
Since we won't be getting a speedster as the main villain next season, hopefully it will be a nice change of pace and get the show back to being great again.
I'm guessing The Thinker will be the next major villain since he was alluded to this season. Obviously Barry will come back by the end of the first episode or at most 2nd episode.
Overall a pretty weak season that most could see the outcome to a mile away.
I'll put it above Supergirl but below Legends. I'm sure Arrow will have the best finale.
I'm guessing The Thinker will be the next major villain since he was alluded to this season. Obviously Barry will come back by the end of the first episode or at most 2nd episode.
Overall a pretty weak season that most could see the outcome to a mile away.
I'll put it above Supergirl but below Legends. I'm sure Arrow will have the best finale.
That would've worked if they hadn't written the Speedforce as something sentient. It was clear that they wanted Barry all along (to teach him a lesson or whatever...who the fuck knows at this point lol)
Jesus Christ, did we really need giant Speedforce storm at the end?
Barry overcame his inner conflict, reached out to SavyBarry, it didn't work out and SavyBarry was erased. Barry still comes out somewhat redeemed. Just let the hero get a happy end in the finale ffs. Not redemption retread with dead relative #3737527
This speed force prison is the most contrived plot point imaginable. Even disregarding all the time travel shenanigans that would have made it obsolete/non-existent by now.
End with wedding plans and in the stinger set up DeVoe getting started working for the mob and coming up with his alias. Done.
Barry overcame his inner conflict, reached out to SavyBarry, it didn't work out and SavyBarry was erased. Barry still comes out somewhat redeemed. Just let the hero get a happy end in the finale ffs. Not redemption retread with dead relative #3737527
This speed force prison is the most contrived plot point imaginable. Even disregarding all the time travel shenanigans that would have made it obsolete/non-existent by now.
End with wedding plans and in the stinger set up DeVoe getting started working for the mob and coming up with his alias. Done.
ManDudeChild
Member
Because that would be unethical. It's more ethical to leave all the baddies in an extrajudicial prison without the means of going to the washroom.
DUH!
My ideal S4 opener would be called "His Name Was Barry Allen" and it ends with Wally taking over the mantle of Flash and revealing Barry's sacrifice and both of their identities so it brings us a lot closer to the comics. But, alas, it'll just be five months after the finale and they finally figure out a way to get Barry out without speed force volcanic eruptions or whatever.
WrenchNinja
Member
I feel like they're going to pull a Buffy and Barry is going to be all depressed when he gets out because he liked it there
https://youtu.be/xddGliANJf4
https://youtu.be/xddGliANJf4
Very
I was excited at the prospect of SnowBarry due to her death...I lost that *AND* lost HR
I am not a happy camper atm
Stallion Dan
Member
Not alone. This entire season been a waste of time, writers have no balls.
I think I enjoyed Arrow Season 3 more than this season of the Flash...
I liked what they did with the last stretch of the episode even if it felt unearned. Although I'm guessing it will be something resolved within 2 episodes of next season.
The Caitlin stuff is a mess.
I wonder if Julian will be back next season. I liked him well enough here.
Won't miss HR, although it's nice to see that Harry will be back with the team for a bit. Also the way they wrote him in was weird. Sending in the look alike of a loved one that just died is just the quality team flash planning I'd expect from them.
Another huge beam fro Star Labs. I think the city needs to look into this.
I liked what they did with the last stretch of the episode even if it felt unearned. Although I'm guessing it will be something resolved within 2 episodes of next season.
The Caitlin stuff is a mess.
I wonder if Julian will be back next season. I liked him well enough here.
Won't miss HR, although it's nice to see that Harry will be back with the team for a bit. Also the way they wrote him in was weird. Sending in the look alike of a loved one that just died is just the quality team flash planning I'd expect from them.
Another huge beam fro Star Labs. I think the city needs to look into this.
Cisco dying back then would've been idiotic, my enjoyment of the show would've dropped quite a bit.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I told y'all, there is no escape from the Third Season Curse.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
So is Julian staying next season? And new scientist lady?
That isn't Caitlin.
I definitely agree that this was a massive waste of flashpoint and a waste of a story about a time remnant that didn't die which is also a really interesting concept. I still like the characters and most of the show is fun but I think I'm ready to quit if they don't come up with a new structure for next season that doesn't revolve around a mystery villain and time travel
Maybe unearned isn't the right word, but while it was happening, I was thinking "Oh, okay, so we're doing this right now huh"
Felt rushed and very sudden, which is ironic considering the horrid pacing this season.
EDIT:
Did the Speed Force even say they'd eventually punish him or something along those lines at some point? I don't remember.
You cant spend a season on "IRIS WILL DIE, OMG" to then give Barry literally zero foreshadowing. Zero.
I mean, they broke the rules of speedforce constantly. Instead of making it larger in threat over the season, they broke it down. Barry ignored its advice, released its prisoners willy-nilly, treated it as some garbage dump.
Doctor Who had a botched season or two built around foreshadowing something, and that went MILLION TIMES BETTER than Flash managed it.
I sorta like the idea of a rebirth storyline with Barry and with who they said the main bad of next season is it could work. However flashpoint was what two episodes and Oliver was out of commission for maybe two episodes as well after getting stabbed. I just don't think they'll leave Barry in the wind long enough for that arc to have any payoff. Abracadabra felt wasted in the show but maybe he could come back as a distraction from the main threat.
I think it's the perfect time for some Wally West storyline rogues to show up but we also just had a season with a evil Barry so maybe another season with a fake Barry would be too samey.
I think it's the perfect time for some Wally West storyline rogues to show up but we also just had a season with a evil Barry so maybe another season with a fake Barry would be too samey.
MisterRoboto
Member
Savitar gets the memory of Iris not dying and Julian creating the cure at the same time real Barry finds out. Then Savitar remembers DaVoe and where they were when they stopped him, which Barry has no memory of because it's in the future. This show just constantly contradicts itself. I'm hoping next season has an Arrow-like come back.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
How is that a contradiction?
He has the memories of his old memories as well as any new memories from our Barry
"Barry" being Savitar was supposed to be a big deal.
Too bad people on the internet figured it out ages ago though it probably surprised general audience
Rumblebones
Banned
This season still found more ways to disappoint.
Season as a whole gets a 5/10 from me.
Season as a whole gets a 5/10 from me.
MisterRoboto
Member
The timeline changes once Iris lives, no? I thought at that point Savitar would lose memories of the future since it is now different and only have the memories Barry currently has.
Yes, because Flash is the best when he's mopey.
Does anyone remember when Flash was supposed to be the "fun" show?