Jawmuncher
Member
Fzero is actually fun, but wipeout actually exists.
So it's hard to choose.
So it's hard to choose.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Ok GAF lets battle it out. Which franchise is better F-Zero or Wipeout
- Thread starter nin1000
- Start date
StromboliProtocol
Banned
And some people wonder why F-Zero GX didn't sell.
It had nothing to do with difficulty. The game had next to no marketing like most Nintendo games during the GameCube era.
KevMan1815
Member
F-Zero, no contest.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wipeout is getting a PS4 collection, Studio Liverpool still exists, numerous games are coming out directly inspired by Wipeout like Redout, Formula Fusion and several fan made games, meanwhile the F-Zero hasn't had an entry in over 12 years and its best entry was made by SEGA.
The team is the character. Each corporation has its own backstory and interests.
I know right. Futuristic racers these days look so generic, Wipeout continues to be iconic 20 years later.
That just means they aren't good enough and no. There are plenty of competent players.
Calling wipeOut soulless is delusional, F-Zero fans are delusional .
F-Zero has been dead for over a decade. wipeOut lived to see an entire generation beyond F-Zero, and while Studio Liverpool has been shuttered, wipEout still receives remasters.
Get a grip on reality F-Zero fans!
F-Zero has been dead for over a decade. wipeOut lived to see an entire generation beyond F-Zero, and while Studio Liverpool has been shuttered, wipEout still receives remasters.
F-Zero in 2017 said:
wipEout in 2017 said:
Get a grip on reality F-Zero fans!
Kiddy Dong
Member
To each their own I guess. My racing improved immensely once I began mashing A repeatedly through any turn where I felt I might slide. I still do side attacks for the super sharp turns though.
Preferences aside, it's quite telling of the makeup of this forum that the number of votes for f zero wayyyy outnumbers that of Wipeout, despite f zero being a niche game that few outside Nintendo enthusiasts have played, and Wipeout being a millions selling mega franchise.
That's not saying Wipeout is better because it's more popular, but it is saying that it's funny how unrepresentative Neogaf is of gaming in general. Surprising really.
That's not saying Wipeout is better because it's more popular, but it is saying that it's funny how unrepresentative Neogaf is of gaming in general. Surprising really.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
I assume it's that gaffers are more probably more likely to have used a gamecube and gx is the greatest racing game every made.
Auto-Reply
Member
I only ever played the original F-Zero on Snes.... played a few Wipeout's mostly demos back in the day.
The only good Wipeout game from a gameplay perspective is HD/Fury Zone Mode, because the weapons completely destroy any fun in the regular campain/races.
I wish I had played the Gamecube F-Zero, must have been a cool game at release, maybe still is.
I prefer the style and music in Wipeout over F-Zero tho (but the Snes Soundtrack is iconic, more than any EM track of any Wipeout)
The only good Wipeout game from a gameplay perspective is HD/Fury Zone Mode, because the weapons completely destroy any fun in the regular campain/races.
I wish I had played the Gamecube F-Zero, must have been a cool game at release, maybe still is.
I prefer the style and music in Wipeout over F-Zero tho (but the Snes Soundtrack is iconic, more than any EM track of any Wipeout)
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Mario Kart is a badly designed game. You know this when 99% of the players online have autosteering turned on so they dont ram into walls huehuehue
This thread is filled to the brim with insane nonsense. I don't think I like F-Zero or Wipeout anymore lol
Having to balance weapon and power-up use against maintaining your energy reserves adds to the intensity of the game, as much as having to balance BOOST POWER against energy adds to F-Zero. Wipeout without items ain't Wipeout to me.
lol at your snaking video
Whats wrong with it? Its not like snaking is easy to do at all especially maintaining it at this level of speed. Good luck mastering it. That would probably take over hundreds of hours by itself.
So getting the play the same game is substantially better than getting to play the same game?
ooookayy
Huge Succeeded
Banned
yeah, Snaking is entertaining as fuck, and snaking videos are always good examples of GX's speed and seemingly limitless skill ceiling, but that's the hardest advanced technique to pull off in GX, a game that's been celebrated for a long time as being one of the hardest of all time. It's not like F-Zero GX isn't visibly faster than Wipeout to begin with, so I'm not sure why snaking videos are being thrown around as though they're representative of GX as a whole.
timetokill
Banned
I think it's because if you look up world records they're mostly by snaking
It's true though even just standard racing in F-Zero is exponentially faster than Wipeout
Except they dont because MK is designed well and theres concessions with autosteering.
freethoughtbubble
Member
Maybe the majority of gaming enthusiasts simply prefer F-Zero to Wipeout, and gaf is just representative of that fact. Unless you're suggesting F-Zero fanboys are both niche and an overwhelming majority on gaf...
Err lol, Nintendo is very popular here on GAF if you haven't noticed. Not that wipeout is all that popular anymore either, they shut down the studio.
TBH, that f-zero clip looks buggy as hell. Snaking all over the place, dodgy jumps.
This looks like a more accurate f-zero:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BXkbXeWTg0
Just skip along that a few times and you can see it's not quite like the intensity of skill and control like in a wipeout video, just playing the game normally. Not that f-zero isn't fun or hard. It's arcade vs sim. Sure you can make it even more difficult by snaking...but why. At least in MK DS it was fun snaking, that doesn't look fun at all. Looks broken to me. I only tried it a little bit earlier today but having the screen swish all over the place trying to snake wasn't fun either.
That world record wipeout vid brings back memories!
TBH, that f-zero clip looks buggy as hell. Snaking all over the place, dodgy jumps.
This looks like a more accurate f-zero:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BXkbXeWTg0
Just skip along that a few times and you can see it's not quite like the intensity of skill and control like in a wipeout video, just playing the game normally. Not that f-zero isn't fun or hard. It's arcade vs sim. Sure you can make it even more difficult by snaking...but why. At least in MK DS it was fun snaking, that doesn't look fun at all. Looks broken to me. I only tried it a little bit earlier today but having the screen swish all over the place trying to snake wasn't fun either.
That world record wipeout vid brings back memories!
Huge Succeeded
Banned
For what it's worth, I genuinely don't believe that you know what you're talking about. Your dismissal of Wipeout and your assertion that it's 'poorly designed' are based wholly on an anecdote about people playing online with Pilot Assist. That's an argument that deserves no real response. but...
Pilot Assist is an accessibility tool, one that's more of a hindrance than a help to experienced players - because it, too, has concessions. Any degree of Pilot Assist will lower your maximum thrust by over 10%. Pilot Assist can swing you wildly around turns and corners, or when you stray too close to a wall on a straightaway, fudging your racing line and putting you well behind. Experienced players, and players intending to win races online, do not use it.
The Lamonster
Member
WipEout because F-Zero is too hard.
F-Zero X was made by SEGA? That's news to me.. Fair enough, GX is an amazing too but still..
Anyways, this is F-Zero for me easily.. I never found Wipeout any fun to play whatsoever despite having a soft spot for Psychnosis due to their Amiga history.
Just dont like the way Wipeout handles and not overly keen on weapons in racing games.. It does have strong audiovisual identity though so gotta give it props for that.
Spladam
Member
Why don't we make this a REAL POLL? I would like to see the real score.
I've plated a lot of both, and come on guys, F-Zero has that, gameplay, speed, music, tracks.
OP, are you keeping a score?
I've plated a lot of both, and come on guys, F-Zero has that, gameplay, speed, music, tracks.
This was my first thought.
OP, are you keeping a score?
veloxStrix
Banned
The one with a better chance of getting a new entry in the franchise, probably.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
As someone else who's played a lot of both, that certainly wasn't my first thought. Not when I've played 5 Wipeout games in the last fifteen years that can hang with F-Zero X and GX.
Reptars Revenge
Member
Pod Racing
Frag Waffles
Member
Boy this thread. Wipeout doesn't have good gameplay and f-zero is for Nintendo fanboys lol. Highly entertaining.
Wipeout by the way.
Wipeout by the way.
Starsunder
Member
Uh, did we watch the same video? That video you posted shows insane skill. That method where the player is dipping off and then BACK ONTO the track, to gain speed? Incredibly hard. Ridiculously hard, actually.
I mean, it's fine to like the physics and shit of wipeout more, more power to ya. Everyone has their preferences. But to keep spouting that F-Zero takes less skill and is some inferior game because you don't prefer how it plays is, uh, crazy talk. GX in particular is probably the hardest, most skill intensive racer I can think of. The world records in that game are insane, and merely conpleting story mode requires ridiculous skill.
Spladam
Member
What's up with this shit? Few outside of Nintendo enthusiast have played?
I think I see what's going on. If you're old enough, having played F-Zero is NOT a function of being a Nintendo enthusiast. I still play F-Zero (I love the original), F-Zero X, and F-Zero GX, and I don't even own a modern Nintendo console (just NES and SNES).
Icedburden
Member
That doesn't make any sense. At all.
His observation is like %99 accurate. All he was saying was that the majority of GAF says F-Zero, but that isn't necessarily accurate to what people are actually playing and buying outside of GAF. IDK why you're offended, it seems pretty true to me.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
People used to call bullshit on me -every single time- I implied that I didn't have much difficulty with Very Hard my first time through, when I was younger. I thought people over-rated the game's difficulty as a result.
I came back to GX during the Wii era and that shit deserves its reputation. A lot of the skill on display in that video isn't totally apparent to someone who's not familiar with the ins and outs of GX's gameplay. And I'd argue that it's not as readily apparent as the skill on display in any given high-speed Wipeout video, with their constant side-shifts and airbraking and tight spins and shit. BUT any slight miscalculation, mistake, or difference in that player's racing lines and strategies in the above GX video could have meant seconds added to the clock, or have been the difference between passing and failing the mission.
The campaign is hard as fuck. So are the cups. In the end, though, I think that Wipeout games generally have a higher skill floor - they're more demanding right off the bat than F-Zero GX is. GX has a very, very high skill ceiling in comparison to Wipeout games, though.
Astral Dog
Member
One isn't dead
I'm not going to say one is better than the other. They're different enough and both high quality enough to come down to preference. For ME, I just prefer Wipeout's style, speed, and music.
Plus, Wipeout has actually had a good presence over the last 10 or so years, while F-Zero has been long forgotten.
Plus, Wipeout has actually had a good presence over the last 10 or so years, while F-Zero has been long forgotten.
Aside from showing a video exploiting a glitch to go 3-4 times faster than normal and out of bounds as an example of how much "better" F-Zero GX is?
This thread is ridiculous.
Yeah i have played the game since 2004 and i can honestly say that no matter how much i play it i will never be able to unlock the AX tracks. Unlocking everything in Wipeout while hard is not even in the same league as GX.
lol dat snaking
I'd prefer a Wave Race revival. F-Zero X got a sequel developed by Amusement Vision. Wave Race 64 got a sequel developed by NST. :|
I found unlocking the AX tracks (and everything else in GX outside of Story Mode) to be completely trivial, compared to nearly any WipEout.
The original WipEout is the only game across either series where I feel the grand prix stuff is unreasonably difficult.
wild wild rice
Member
So neither?
Edit: In all seriousness I feel like we'd see a new F-ZERO first, but even that I put at like a 3% chance of happening. Sony is just throwing fans a bone with this remaster, I don't expect a new WipEout ever. It seems like a lot of people in this thread have convinced themselves the remaster is a new game, lol.
I love both franchises.
freethoughtbubble
Member
Eh, that's more like 70% of what he's saying. He said that few outside of "Nintendo enthusiasts" have played F-Zero after noting that the vote is overwhelmingly in F-Zero's favor. Then he suggests that these facts bear relevance on gaf's make-up. The clear implication is that the reason the vote is skewed in this manner is because gaf is made up of "Nintendo enthusiasts." Which is not a conclusion you can fairly draw from the facts. That's probably why he doesn't explicitly state it, opting instead to comment on how "funny" and "surprising" it is.
Yea... I'd just be more direct and say that I feel more people prefer F-Zero because they can't play WipEout for shit.
That looks like he's glitching out when he bounces off the track then back on again, doesn't seem like playing the game normally. The majority of the footage is going in a straight line, or a having a long slightly bent track... sometimes a sharper turn.
I mean if you enjoy it so much that you want to max out speed by doing exploits, that's fine, but that's hardly the normal game. I'll be playing the story mode soon to see all the tracks but just watching a lot of that when he wasn't glitching out was no where near as complicated as standard wipeout. Though I just picked up TM2 lagoon so might be a while till I get round to it.
I've no doubt doing the glitches takes a lot of practice, just not something I'm interested in. I like playing games properly.
I will say that redout has slighty more of an F-Zero track design than a Wipeout design. The controls still feel proper but not as difficult as wipeout. I think a tonne of people are going to enjoy it.
Similar threads
- Poll
- Poll
- Poll