I like 'em. They're just not that creative, and that's ok. They still have lots of personality in the anime and Games.
For Muk though I vastly prefer his Alolan variant
It looks far more memorable
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I like 'em. They're just not that creative, and that's ok. They still have lots of personality in the anime and Games.
For Muk though I vastly prefer his Alolan variant
It looks far more memorable
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
You'd need to drastically change the atmosphere or gameplay or something. Each game basically is a reboot already
Incidentally I feel like Gen I had a very unique atmosphere in comparison to the others, as it hadn't found its footing yet. It was kind of creepier/darker, not to the point where it was significant, but definitely still noticeable. It still felt like a fun journey for kids, but the world felt a little more rooted
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Good thing you're not obliged to like all of them!
I'd take Masked Tiger over a dumb fat "dragon" at any given day.
A terrible interpretation of the treasure chest mimic. Much like how Muk is a terrible slime.
Trevenant is a much better "classic RPG monster" in both design, lore and aesthetics.
I'd take Masked Tiger over a dumb fat "dragon" at any given day.
A terrible interpretation of the treasure chest mimic. Much like how Muk is a terrible slime.
Trevenant is a much better "classic RPG monster" in both design, lore and aesthetics.
It's not so much dark as it is so blank slate that people put stuff in the world and think that's what happened - with the most popular being creepypasta/dark themes.
papertoonz
Member
Japan does have there own slogan "Get Pokémon!" but yeah "Gotta Catch 'Em All" was made up for the over seas release
AlexFlame116
Member
Man this thread went downhill quickly.
You haters keep my precious Nebby and Lunala out of this!
I love my Masked Tiger...he's such a bro.
You haters keep my precious Nebby and Lunala out of this!
Please don't be an insult, please don't be an insult, please don't be an insult....
I love my Masked Tiger...he's such a bro.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
eh
items were represented by pokeballs, so it worked exactly as intended
how would you have done it?
Well, let's take vanillite/ish/ux. It's an ice cream popsicle with eyes.
under those circumstances, even this could be a Pokémon for the latest gen
AlexFlame116
Member
The way some of y'all talk it's like you wanted Digimon.
I love Digimon! But mixing the two together???
I love Digimon! But mixing the two together???
I'm still baffled by your immense dislike of the new(est) generations considering you have an Alolan Vulpix as your avatar.
shadowsdarknes
Member
I'd buy a Garbador amiibo
lvl99 Pixel
Member
never said they were bad in every aspect now did I
AlexFlame116
Member
Eh. Assuming. The way you're acting right now with this just brings it to my mind.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
you're not being very specific.
I never said the games sucked, or that all the designs suck.
Well, let's take vanillite/ish/ux. It's an ice cream popsicle with eyes.
under those circumstances, even this could be a Pokémon for the latest gen
So these designs are bad... because they could potentially lead to designs you do not like?
I still think their best designs are the most simple ones. And even in recent generations we got great ones like these:
The problem is when they go in the opposite direction and we get this:
Togekiss is beautiful tho, but the other ones aren't. And their gen 1 versions weren't even that great to begin with, but those evolutions are just offensive. lol
The problem is when they go in the opposite direction and we get this:
Togekiss is beautiful tho, but the other ones aren't. And their gen 1 versions weren't even that great to begin with, but those evolutions are just offensive. lol
lvl99 Pixel
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The simple and elegant designs are definitely the strength. And they're likely the reason the franchise had so much staying power. So many animals and concepts have been combined now that they kind of have to start using more complex silhouettes to make them stand out, so im going to expect this is where the franchise is headed for new pokemon.
It makes sense for Genesect to look busy like that considering the Pokemon being modified, but hey, I guess there's no beating Mewtwo.
Golisopod looks cool (and slightly creepy) af imo
And Ultra Beasts, well, I don't blame anyone for hating them, they clearly went out of their way to make them look weird and alien as fuck.
MaximumSpider
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How dare you?I still think their best designs are the most simple ones. And even in recent generations we got great ones like these:
The problem is when they go in the opposite direction and we get this:
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
well for one, make it so that voltorb and electrode aren't big in lore, or make them capable of altering size
see, even if we go for "graphical limitations", many games handwave it by making the mimic actually mimic the chest and when they show off their true face, they mutate
that can't be the case for voltorb and electrode since they can't change their shape, so it looks like the trainer is so dumb he can't differentiate an item ball to a voltorb/electrode
compare that to foongus/amoongus, that line is also a terrible mimic, but they were designed with tongue-in-cheek that it makes them great. Obviously having a pokeball design as your cap is dumb and no one in their right mind would mistake them as item balls, but they were designed with a clear intention that it works only in gameplay perspective unlike voltorb/electrode
Well, let's take vanillite/ish/ux. It's an ice cream popsicle with eyes.
under those circumstances, even this could be a Pokémon for the latest gen
except they're not - they're icicles
and no you can't go "but that's just lore", they literally showed designs of vanillite being an icicle, so it's actually not limited to the lore and shitposting with "oh I can make a crappy design and put some lore in it", these pokemon were actually designed with lore in mind that they don't have to rely on them to stand on
I still think their best designs are the most simple ones. And even in recent generations we got great ones like these:
The problem is when they go in the opposite direction and we get this:
Togekiss is beautiful tho, but the other ones aren't. And their gen 1 versions weren't even that great to begin with, but those evolutions are just offensive. lol
see your argument falls flat because you assume the three designs below are garbage
Hey,Pheromosa is cool!
The rest do feel weird and out of place, but that was the iintention so IDK.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
not garbage, but they belong in SMT
Hey,Pheromosa is cool!
The rest do feel weird and out of place, but that was the iintention so IDK.
That's true, I like her design, as well as the theoretical Pokemon Stars mascot, assuming that even is an Ultra Beast.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
And some creatures in SMT can belong to Pokemon too
Pokemon can have complex/scary/edgy/buzzword designs too, they're not all cute and simple.
Hell, both simple and "overdesigned" have been used in shitposting about Pokemon designs being good/bad/back in my old days.
I love Incineroar too. My favorite out of the Alola starters.
Sgt. Garlic
Member
Yeah, these are pretty terrible. I remember seeing Tangrowth for the first time thinking "why"Those are terrible but still not as bad as this entire sequence of evolutions:
AlexFlame116
Member
Pheromosa is the best. No one can convince me otherwise.Hey,Pheromosa is cool!
The rest do feel weird and out of place, but that was the iintention so IDK.
Woohoo! Yes!
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Someone should do that iconic minimalist square color swatch thing for all of them like that thread about Street Fighter II and ARMS characters:
Just to be ridiculous and see which ones can be recognized.
Just to be ridiculous and see which ones can be recognized.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
Of course they can be and nobody says you're not allowed to like them. But a big part of the initial appeal was how the creatures made up of very simple shapes and colour palettes, so the new stuff might look like its from another franchise.
Its probably not uncommon that people like the new ice vulpix because its a new spin on an old classic. The new Golem on the other hand.... I dont even know what to make of that.
GiantBreadbug
Member
People having a "omg what a terrible design" reaction to basically any Pokémon baffles me. Almost literally every one of them is designed carefully and thoughtfully with reason, and it shows. They're bascically encapsulations of folklore, cultural references, irl animals, and more. And they all have largely unique behaviors and mannerisms. Each individual Pokémon is pretty fleshed out. They all have a "concept," even if some of those concepts are very simple. Seeing someone analyze Pokémon designs with a reductionist mindset immediately signals that this person is not well equipped to critically discuss this topic. Any time I see a Pokémon I just wanna know what it's all about. What are its inspirations; what does it do; how is this Pokémon twist on a real life concept translated into this game world?
Like, people literally cannot realize that the BEST part of Pokémon designs is that they don't all have to be just one thing? They can be simple, intricate, colorful, cute, terrifying, cool, or any combination of things. That's their strength. You'd think the enduring nature of the franchise would make that clear. Both series veterans and new players love finding new Pokémon because they're fun to find, learn about, battle with, evolve, and collect. They're keeping the franchise alive.
And also, ditching the older ones just for the sake of keeping some arbitrary total number down is just so, SO fucking strange to me. Why? What is the merit of a "reboot" (which the series has actually kind of already done a couple times but to an actual reasonable and fun extent)? People really think that a game with just the original 151 Pokémon would be appealing? I'm sure it would be to those who wanna ride a nostalgia wave rather than play a good Pokémon game. I'm quite certain most other fans (as in, people who regularly play the series and don't just chastise new Pokémon for being different) would not have anything to do with it. Fortunately it's never happening since the showrunners at TPC seem to understand the strength of the Pokémon roster as it pertains to the brand.
Keep making them forever. Designs have only been getting better. Make more regional variants. Make more crazy alien UB-type Pokémon (seeing people missing the point of those designs ITT when the intent behind their inclusion is painfully obvious). "Too many Pokémon" isn't a thing and the idea needs to die. The moment new Pokémon designs stop being created is the moment the series loses 80% of its appeal to me. If they're as well designed as the ones so far, I'll take a thousand more, please.
Like, people literally cannot realize that the BEST part of Pokémon designs is that they don't all have to be just one thing? They can be simple, intricate, colorful, cute, terrifying, cool, or any combination of things. That's their strength. You'd think the enduring nature of the franchise would make that clear. Both series veterans and new players love finding new Pokémon because they're fun to find, learn about, battle with, evolve, and collect. They're keeping the franchise alive.
And also, ditching the older ones just for the sake of keeping some arbitrary total number down is just so, SO fucking strange to me. Why? What is the merit of a "reboot" (which the series has actually kind of already done a couple times but to an actual reasonable and fun extent)? People really think that a game with just the original 151 Pokémon would be appealing? I'm sure it would be to those who wanna ride a nostalgia wave rather than play a good Pokémon game. I'm quite certain most other fans (as in, people who regularly play the series and don't just chastise new Pokémon for being different) would not have anything to do with it. Fortunately it's never happening since the showrunners at TPC seem to understand the strength of the Pokémon roster as it pertains to the brand.
Keep making them forever. Designs have only been getting better. Make more regional variants. Make more crazy alien UB-type Pokémon (seeing people missing the point of those designs ITT when the intent behind their inclusion is painfully obvious). "Too many Pokémon" isn't a thing and the idea needs to die. The moment new Pokémon designs stop being created is the moment the series loses 80% of its appeal to me. If they're as well designed as the ones so far, I'll take a thousand more, please.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
I think Torracat ugly. Looks the edgy stuff I hated when I was little.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
probably because it looks like a Shadow the Hedgehog fusion
lvl99 Pixel
Member
all of those ones are the worst things created by a human
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I disagree in a sense that you still have complex designs even in Gen 1, like Hitmonchan, Golem, hell the "copypaste" trio of Rhydon/Nidoking/Kangaskhan are pretty detailed, etc.
Hell, like I said, it's even used in shitposting.
it's supposed to be ugly
and it works - he's amazing!
lvl99 Pixel
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thats a pretty basic concept and execution of a bipedal rhino
Golem you can compare to the alolan form which just added a bunch of extra shit on top
or alolan muk, where they added more colours and bits sticking out of it, extra shit on top
dont get me started on the new dugtrio
disappeared
Banned
Um...yes? Pokemon battling was always secondary to me; the world exploration and collection aspects were what I loved. I know a ton of people feel this way as well.
Not that there's a real fix to the problem, mind you.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Dark gritty reboot set in post apocalyptic world.
There's a plush of Whimsicott from Pokémon Center Japan.I want them to make a plush or amiibo of every pokemon, thats the only way I can get some Whimsicott merchandise
Someone already beat ya to it.
Behold, Pokemon Reborn. A Pokemon (rom) game so edgy it puts this Ultra Beast to shame:
This is its synopsis:
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Barbaracle is great
SporeCrawler
Member
i think 802 is an incredible number but the series also has been going on for decades now.
this is such an ignorant statement. there are lazy ass designs in gen 1 too while the later gens obviously have incredibly well designed ones.
this is such an ignorant statement. there are lazy ass designs in gen 1 too while the later gens obviously have incredibly well designed ones.
SporeCrawler
Member
i think its ot impossible but you neeed dedication a lot of versions (which never drop in price lol), at least two 3dses... i think maximg out regional pokedexes is still a fun thing to do. it gets overwhelming once you expand it to national level
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
thats a pretty basic concept and execution of a bipedal rhino
Golem you can compare to the alolan form which just added a bunch of extra shit on top
or alolan muk, where they added more colours and bits sticking out of it, extra shit on top
dont get me started on the new dugtrio
Rhinos don't stand.
Also my point is in the design. Notice a lot of lines, ridges, etc.? That's not a basic design like say Munarsha. That's what I mean by design - which is why I brought up Hitmonchan. Golem had elaborate ridges, etc. When you mention their Alolan forms, at most they're pretty miniscule in changes.
Also A. Dugtrio is ace, gives the boring Dugtrio personality.
Those are terrible but still not as bad as this entire sequence of evolutions:
I love Magezone. Kinda sad everyone else just got fat though.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
Rhinos don't stand.
Also my point is in the design. Notice a lot of lines, ridges, etc.? That's not a basic design like say Munarsha. That's what I mean by design - which is why I brought up Hitmonchan. Golem had elaborate ridges, etc. When you mention their Alolan forms, at most they're pretty miniscule in changes.
Also A. Dugtrio is ace, gives the boring Dugtrio personality.
I feel like you and joe just like most things Pokemon related by default and we'll never agree on anything negative
Magnezone is a UFO which is more interesting
pizzaparty
Member
More Pokemon should wear pants.
GankzyMcfly
Member
only 150 real ones though