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Get banned after making a thread on how to take an L
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Moonkid

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Don't know if it's just a misconception, but I think non-perma'd accounts still show their avatar. Not sure if true.
I think I recall seeing a couple people who were banned for ages, like more than 4-5? months, without an avvie but I'm not 100% sure. In any case, RIP.
 

Koozek

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"Band vs Band: Migos x Lil Yachty"

With five retail projects and a handful of pre-Section.80 releases under his belt, there are debates arising in some circles about if Kendrick Lamar’s discography merits mentioning him among the greatest rappers of all time.

Migos and Lil Yachty offered their opinions as the Quality Control artists discussed Kendrick’s G.O.A.T. status and other subjects for NME’s “Band vs. Band” segment. You can skip directly to what is likely to be a topic of discussion for years to come at the 5:50-mark.

Offset began the debate with a popular pick. “For me, personally I could give it to [André 3000], man,” he offered.

“Since you said 3K… Kendrick Lamar,” Takeoff countered.

“I kind of respected the fact that my mans Jay Z is the greatest rapper right now, bro,” Quavo added. “Straight up. You can’t mess with Jay when it’s time to come play.”

And while Yachty offered what appeared to be a visual co-sign by standing up to display a shirt with Jay Z’s image printed on the front, he was the tie-breaker among the group.

“I ain’t gonna lie, though, I’m giving it to Kendrick, man,” Yachty said.

Quavo said his rationale for picking Jay was needing to grow and “take a couple years” to understand Jay Z. Everyone also agreed that being labeled the greatest shouldn’t include any limitations on any particular era—a sticking point that Yachty critics have pointed to since he called Notorious B.I.G. overrated in November of 2016.​
 

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"Band vs Band: Migos x Lil Yachty"

With five retail projects and a handful of pre-Section.80 releases under his belt, there are debates arising in some circles about if Kendrick Lamar's discography merits mentioning him among the greatest rappers of all time.

Migos and Lil Yachty offered their opinions as the Quality Control artists discussed Kendrick's G.O.A.T. status and other subjects for NME's ”Band vs. Band" segment. You can skip directly to what is likely to be a topic of discussion for years to come at the 5:50-mark.

Offset began the debate with a popular pick. ”For me, personally I could give it to [André 3000], man," he offered.

”Since you said 3K... Kendrick Lamar," Takeoff countered.

”I kind of respected the fact that my mans Jay Z is the greatest rapper right now, bro," Quavo added. ”Straight up. You can't mess with Jay when it's time to come play."

And while Yachty offered what appeared to be a visual co-sign by standing up to display a shirt with Jay Z's image printed on the front, he was the tie-breaker among the group.

”I ain't gonna lie, though, I'm giving it to Kendrick, man," Yachty said.

Quavo said his rationale for picking Jay was needing to grow and ”take a couple years" to understand Jay Z. Everyone also agreed that being labeled the greatest shouldn't include any limitations on any particular era—a sticking point that Yachty critics have pointed to since he called Notorious B.I.G. overrated in November of 2016.​

Offset began the debate with a popular pick. ”For me, personally I could give it to [André 3000], man," he offered.

Offset just went from being behind Quavo's shadow to being his own man to me
 
"Band vs Band: Migos x Lil Yachty"

With five retail projects and a handful of pre-Section.80 releases under his belt, there are debates arising in some circles about if Kendrick Lamar’s discography merits mentioning him among the greatest rappers of all time.

Migos and Lil Yachty offered their opinions as the Quality Control artists discussed Kendrick’s G.O.A.T. status and other subjects for NME’s “Band vs. Band” segment. You can skip directly to what is likely to be a topic of discussion for years to come at the 5:50-mark.

Offset began the debate with a popular pick. “For me, personally I could give it to [André 3000], man,” he offered.

“Since you said 3K… Kendrick Lamar,” Takeoff countered.

“I kind of respected the fact that my mans Jay Z is the greatest rapper right now, bro,” Quavo added. “Straight up. You can’t mess with Jay when it’s time to come play.”

And while Yachty offered what appeared to be a visual co-sign by standing up to display a shirt with Jay Z’s image printed on the front, he was the tie-breaker among the group.

“I ain’t gonna lie, though, I’m giving it to Kendrick, man,” Yachty said.

Quavo said his rationale for picking Jay was needing to grow and “take a couple years” to understand Jay Z. Everyone also agreed that being labeled the greatest shouldn’t include any limitations on any particular era—a sticking point that Yachty critics have pointed to since he called Notorious B.I.G. overrated in November of 2016.​
All of the people in the comments writing dissertations on the Migos's relationship, Takeoff, and hypothetical disfunction, all off of one video are irritating as hell.
 

FZZ

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Viewtiful never deserved that ban

Sony fanboys smh

catching bans before E3 is the worst, happened to me twice lmao
 

Dereck

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@Des

Would like to hear your thoughts on this tape after revisiting it or not, doesn't matter.

Just ran right through it again, found it hard to get through it because I was repeating songs too much. It's just really solid drug raps, violent and apathetic. Production is top notch and well varied. Can't believe he carried the entire project for 35 minutes.

 

HiResDes

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@Des

Would like to hear your thoughts on this tape after revisiting it or not, doesn't matter.

Just ran right through it again, found it hard to get through it because I was repeating songs too much. It's just really solid drug raps, violent and apathetic. Production is top notch and well varied. Can't believe he carried the entire project for 35 minutes.

I listen to Finesse The World regularly like it's a tape I'll throw in the car riding through the heroin dens of Ohio or after a really existentially exhausting day for catharsis. I think it's one of the most base, morally devoid tapes conceived and its world is utterly devastating.
 

Koozek

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I listen to Finesse The World regularly like it's a tape I'll throw in the car riding through the heroin dens of Ohio or after a really existentially exhausting day for catharsis. I think it's one of the most base, morally devoid tapes conceived and its world is utterly devastating.
Damn.
 

overcast

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ViewtifulJC a classic poster. RIP
Yeah he was pretty consistently great at trolling.. which led to his banning.
Like, I won't even take you seriously as a human being if you don't mention André in a GOAT debate, tbh.
Andre is top tier for me but honestly I can see the argument that he hasn't done enough solo stuff.
Viewtiful never deserved that ban

Sony fanboys smh

catching bans before E3 is the worst, happened to me twice lmao
Feel like you're jinxing this one man.
 

Koozek

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Yeah he was pretty consistently great at trolling.. which led to his banning.

Andre is top tier for me but honestly I can see the argument that he hasn't done enough solo stuff.

Feel like you're jinxing this one man.
Then for example Biggie, Big Pun, or Rakim shouldn't be considered either 🤷
 

Koozek

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They've done more solo stuff than Andre, andre as goat is nearly baseless. Outkast was great, but singling out Andre's contributions doesn't make any sense.
Uh, Biggie and Pun had one solo album while alive. Rakim three, but I don't think anyone checked for the one from '09, lol, and his solo stuff in general didn't seem to be that well-received compared to the duo stuff, anyway. If you count their features, André has had a lot too, so... And I mean, why does he have to have more solo stuff when it's about who's the best rapper. He's still an amazing artist and there's no reason to doubt that he could make more great solo albums if he wanted to. Better than most of the older GOATs would nowadays.

Okay, know what, why don't you show me your Top 5. Let's see how warranted they are
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The beat on Helpless

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LOL, I was just about to come in and quote that. I'mma do it for this one instead:

I'M FEELIN' LIKE I TOOK A PERC', I'M AT A LOSS FOR WORDS
IT'S LIKE I SMOKED A POUND OF HERBS, SO PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB

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FEEL LIKE I DRUNK A POUND OF SYRUP AND SNORTED UP HALF A BIRD
CAN'T EVEN FIND THE WORDS, I'M SO AT A LOSS FOR WORDS

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Wouldn't have expected to like a Gucci tape so much.
 

HiResDes

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Uh, Biggie and Pun had one solo album while alive. Rakim three, but I don't think anyone checked for the one from '09, lol, and his solo stuff in general didn't seem to be that well-received compared to the duo stuff, anyway. If you count their features, André has had a lot too, so... And I mean, why does he have to have more solo stuff when it's about who's the best rapper. He's still an amazing artist and there's no reason to doubt that he could make more great solo albums if he wanted to. Better than most of the older GOATs would nowadays.

Okay, know what, why don't you show me your Top 5. Let's see how warranted they are
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LOL, I was just about to come in and quote that. I'mma do it for this one instead:
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Biggie had three albums, don't care if he was alive or not, and two of them are very highly regarded. While I enjoy The Love Below it's not looked as a classic like those two biggie albums. He has to have great solo work if you're gonna to distinguish him from Big Boi otherwise it becomes to rate him apart from Outkast and his group counterpart. Also this talk of potential is irrelevant, he didn't make more albums, and all we can really judge is what he's made not what he could have made otherwise guys like Big L might have a greater place in the discussion anyways.

Can't really give you a top five but I can name ten rappers who I think deserve to be in the discussion much more

Jay-Z
Ghostface Killah
Nas
MF Doom
Kendrick Lamar
Ice Cube
Common
Redman
Kool G Rapp
Kanye West
 
LOL, I was just about to come in and quote that. I'mma do it for this one instead:

I'M FEELIN' LIKE I TOOK A PERC', I'M AT A LOSS FOR WORDS
IT'S LIKE I SMOKED A POUND OF HERBS, SO PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB

350x700px-LL-8bc5ff04_bootsie.gif


FEEL LIKE I DRUNK A POUND OF SYRUP AND SNORTED UP HALF A BIRD
CAN'T EVEN FIND THE WORDS, I'M SO AT A LOSS FOR WORDS

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Wouldn't have expected to like a Gucci tape so much.

I'm addicted somebody please help me.. is there a pussy rehab please tell me?
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Koozek

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Biggie had three albums, don't care if he was alive or not, and two of them are very highly regarded. While I enjoy The Love Below it's not looked as a classic like those two biggie albums. He has to have great solo work if you're gonna to distinguish him from Big Boi otherwise it becomes to rate him apart from Outkast and his group counterpart. Also this talk of potential is irrelevant, he didn't make more albums, and all we can really judge is what he's made not what he could have made otherwise guys like Big L might have a greater place in the discussion anyways.

Can't really give you a top five but I can name ten rappers who I think deserve to be in the discussion much more

Jay-Z
Ghostface Killah
Nas
MF Doom
Kendrick Lamar
Ice Cube
Common
Redman
Kool G Rapp
Kanye West
Hmm, okay. Makes sense, I guess. He's on my list though, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't want him to drop at least one more album.

There are only three on your list I don't agree with. Ice Cube (or NWA) I don't really know any full albums of (I mainly knew him from the Friday movie, which my friends and I watched so many times and had playing in the background all the time at my friends' places when we were kids, lol), Redman I do really like from features and solo tracks, but never listened to any albums either (will catch up soon), and Kool G Rap I still couldn't tell who that'd be if you played me songs of any 80's rappers.
 

HiResDes

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Hmm, okay. Makes sense, I guess. He's on my list though, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't want him to drop at least one more album.

There are only three on your list I don't agree with. Ice Cube (or NWA) I don't really know any full albums of (I mainly knew him from the Friday movie, which my friends and I watched so many times and had playing in the background all the time at my friends' places when we were kids, lol), Redman I do really like from features and solo tracks, but never listened to any albums either (will catch up soon), and Kool G Rap I still couldn't tell who that'd be if you played me songs of any 80's rappers.

Ice Cube's first three albums are all great near masterpieces, and he basically ghostwrote all of Eazy-E's stuff, stuff on the Chronic, and Snoop's first album as well.
 

Nibel

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I wasn't perma banned and my avatar was gone, so I think that is false. I remember that your avatar was gone when you got banned over the FF thread.

IIRC it's completely random and doesn't mean anything; this forum uses some old-ass software (until they launch the new one this year)
 
Koozek

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Kooz kooz

bruh

Pls listen to Cube's classics

Pls stop triggering me

Like, my dude is over here listening to Gucci Mane when he has homework to do. My head...
 

Koozek

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Ice Cube's first three albums are all great near masterpieces, and he basically ghostwrote all of Eazy-E's stuff, stuff on the Chronic, and Snoop's first album as well.
Huh, really that good? Will check out.
Koozek

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Kooz kooz

bruh

Pls listen to Cube's classics

Pls stop triggering me

Like, my dude is over here listening to Gucci Mane when he has homework to do. My head...
Sorryyyyyy, will do when I have more time 😅 Btw, checked out the Eric B. & Rakim albums! Positively surprised, but still a bit too 80's for me. I can see why Rakim was a big influence on 90's rappers.
IIRC it's completely random and doesn't mean anything; this forum uses some old-ass software (until they launch the new one this year)
Oh, didn't know there'd be new software. Please let it have a notification feature for quotes and likes like Mognet for example.
 
Eric B & Rakim were a duo in name only. The name was a product of an era when DJs still had more clout than MCs. In reality it was little more than a selling point: Eric B didn't DJ on any of their albums, nor did he actually produce a beat. Large Professor and Rakim produced most of their songs. Therefore even if you're arguing only solo albums should count towards a rapper's career, all of the Eric B & Rakim albums should count.

Considering that Rakim is probably the most important rapper in terms of creating the style most of the rappers on your favorite rapper list use, and he has multiple classic albums, he deserves a place in the top ten.
 

Dereck

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DOOM is the rapper that everyone likes and everyone else knows that everyone else likes but he rarely gets the spotlight or open praise. He's the nerdy and eccentric rapper who has been relevant since the early 90s and has really cemented a spot for himself in Hip-Hop with Operation Doomsday.

His signature 2004-2006 rapping style has inspired so many newer young rappers, and newer old rappers like Quelle Chris, Earl Sweatshirt, Open Mike Eagle, Milo, Chester Watson, Zeroh, Jeremiah Jae, Homeboy Sandman, Captain Murphy, Billy Woods, Elucid, Joey Bada$$, Tyler, The Creator, Count Bass D, Roc Marciano and Ka.

The level of inspiration for each rapper I just listed is a huge give or take but it's undeniable to listeners of when the DOOM-ness has rubbed off on people. No one else can really sound like him, he has a timeless sound and has pulled off decent crossovers with mainstream, newschool, oldschool and underground producers and rappers.

He had a fucking incredible stint of classics from 2003-2005, filled with references, demented and seemingly aimless lyricism with weird, and nostalgically familiar references. He uses abstract rhyme schemes and sometimes straight-forward ones. His list of attributes goes on and on.

The issue with him though, not my issue but the issue I see with him regarding the discussion is that he's arguably not very accessible and his brilliance or sloppiness (whatever you want to call it) of rapping (monotone deep voice) is not universally appreciated or liked, at least through the people that I've talked to, forums I've been on, other rappers' opinions or whatever. Despite how good he is I don't see him often mentioned in top 10 lists (I think the reasons I listed explain why). A lot of people haven't even listened to him at all. I do think that most of the best rappers would be quick to praise him if they were ever questioned about him, but he's also so inconsistent in how often he puts out projects.
 
Eric B & Rakim were a duo in name only. The name was a product of an era when DJs still had more clout than MCs. In reality it was little more than a selling point: Eric B didn't DJ on any of their albums, nor did he actually produce a beat. Large Professor and Rakim produced most of their songs. Therefore even if you're arguing only solo albums should count towards a rapper's career, all of the Eric B & Rakim albums should count.

Considering that Rakim is probably the most important rapper in terms of creating the style most of the rappers on your favorite rapper list use, and he has multiple classic albums, he deserves a place in the top ten.

Large Profressor is underrated as a rapper, imo. Love his work on Breaking Atoms. But Rakim is a lock for top 5, no question.
 
Large Profressor is underrated as a rapper, imo. Love his work on Breaking Atoms. But Rakim is a lock for top 5, no question.

Yea, Large Pro is underrated in general. People forget that Illmatic came together in part because everyone wanted to work with him, and had been playing him beats for some time. He was already a legend in 1994.
 

HiResDes

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None of their other albums sound like the new one at all, not sure how I feel about it, might be too Depeche Mode for my tastes though I like Depeche mode.
 

Exodust

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If anybody really cared about discography and influence, Cube and Rakim would be in your top 3.

Cube is my personal GOAT. It always bugs me when people harp on consistency and yet don't have him in their top ten.
 
None of their other albums sound like the new one at all, not sure how I feel about it, might be too Depeche Mode for my tastes though I like Depeche mode.
I can definitely see the Depeche Mode in this one. Someone in the "artist evolution" thread was labeling it synthwave, and it really couldn't be more different.

That being said, if this album is the outlier, I'm a bit cautious getting into their back catalog, considering descriptions of their prior albums involve elements of orchestration, ambient, drone, and more.
Their debut and third album are classic Black Metal, what are they doing now though?
It's more 80s-esque rock with prominent synth elements. The way I'm describing it sounds really shitty, but it's quite entertaining and fun to listen to. I'm not much of a metal fan, so this is the first time I'm listening to them, but I'm liking this direction quite a bit.
 
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