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HBomberguy: "Sherlock (the BBC show) Is Garbage, And Here's Why"
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah this video is basically a 2 hour dissection of that. A fair amount of fat in it, but pretty entertaining
Johnny Lee is the only reason I watch the show.
MetalliCabombination
Member
I thought the first two seasons were phenomenal, and the last two were godawful shit.
The show is trying so hard to look intelligent these days that its just needlessly confusing while trying to deliver boring storylines.
Episode 1 was great, a simple fun mystery.
Dark depressing tales of psychological warfare, international espionage and the hero's decent into madness is not what i want in a mystery.
Johnny Lee's show started good but now its just a pedestrian level crime drama.
The show is trying so hard to look intelligent these days that its just needlessly confusing while trying to deliver boring storylines.
Episode 1 was great, a simple fun mystery.
Dark depressing tales of psychological warfare, international espionage and the hero's decent into madness is not what i want in a mystery.
Johnny Lee's show started good but now its just a pedestrian level crime drama.
Maintenance
Member
Hahaha, thanks for this. Saved me two hours.
Yeah, i kind of liked season 1, though, the execution was still often lacking.
PeskyToaster
Member
I enjoyed the first 2 seasons. Three was bad and turned me off the series that I was increasingly having problems with.
I don't have the time or the energy to sift through the entire video, so someone else please provide me an explanation or a time stamp. Bomberguy says that he is going to explain why viewers and fans turns were turned off by the show after S3/S4. Why is that? It's his contention that Sherlock has been bad from pretty much the beginning, so what was different about later seasons that suddenly made problems too big to ignore?
I think the show was 'fine' up until the point they introduced Watson's love interest. (Don't even remember her name the character is that bad)
As soon as it became about Sherlock and Watson being best buddies and Watson has a wife and a kid now and they're all bestest friends...
I completely checked out on the story. Too much of the show is Tumblr-bait.
The latest season confirmed for me that I wouldn't watch another episode even out of morbid curiosity. They took something that was okay, and very popular, and completely ruined it.
H.Bomberguy is completely right about the editing too. The fucking swipes and noises when Sherlock is magically solving crimes and making huge assumptions and illogical leaps is just annoying.
As soon as it became about Sherlock and Watson being best buddies and Watson has a wife and a kid now and they're all bestest friends...
I completely checked out on the story. Too much of the show is Tumblr-bait.
The latest season confirmed for me that I wouldn't watch another episode even out of morbid curiosity. They took something that was okay, and very popular, and completely ruined it.
H.Bomberguy is completely right about the editing too. The fucking swipes and noises when Sherlock is magically solving crimes and making huge assumptions and illogical leaps is just annoying.
Chiaroscuro
Member
So it is true to its source then.
I haven't seen Sherlock, but I share his preference for Doctor Who not being so focused on the smartest, wackiest and most important main character EVAR! but more about the individual adventures and stories they told, where the main character is just a part of it. All the most memorable stories to me were the one-offs and I think I actually did stop watching sometime when the Doctor saves the world by making a speech about how he's the smartest dude ever and if you mess with him he'll fuck you up.
This made me want to re-watch some Doctor Who.
edit: LOL holy shit at Irene Adler in this adaptation. Incredible.
This made me want to re-watch some Doctor Who.
edit: LOL holy shit at Irene Adler in this adaptation. Incredible.
I disagree with the general sentiment of this thread and I wonder if this is a classic case of negafism going on here. sure the show peaked at season 2, season 3 was overall average (that gunshot scene from s3 ep3 was nuts), but season 4 had some fantastic moments (first 15 min of s4 ep2 was absolutely fantastic filmmaking! AND THE TWIST AT THE END GOOD LORD). calling the show trash is just shocking to me.
Most of what this guy does is make fun of neckbeards.
It is kind of odd to see the "seasons" ranked, as though their serial quality wasn't limited to a handful of teases. I would think the more honest way to look at it is as 13 individual TV movies.
The Blind Banker is in well-loved Season 1, for example, but is probably weaker than The Abdominable Bride or His Last Vow. So to say "Season 1 was great, Season 3 sucked" is sort of a blunt way to analyze the show.
The writing for the first season of Elementary shits on Sherlock.
eot
Banned
Wow.
I think his videos are trash. He just rambles, can't make a succinct argument, often contradicts himself, uses a lot of extremely selective examples that can easily be contradicted and states his opinion like it is fact. Watching one of his videos was a waste of time, I can't imagine watching one four times.
If you're gonna make a 2 hour video of you talking, and you have a script for it, then make the words count. This guy needs an editor, going on forever and a day doesn't make your argument stronger. It's the opposite.
Yuuuup
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
You can always trust a doctor.
poppedcollar69
Member
he's right about everything, but i still love andrew scott in this
I don't think you know what tropes are, AND popular doesn't mean quality either. Sherlock, and especially Moffat's choices as showrunners, have been criticized since day 1.
A video essay is very much the complete opposite of forum shitposting.
eXistor
Member
The show is very obviously well made, wel acted and very clever. I too agree that it peaked at S2 and became too convoluted after that, but it was stll great entertainment. To dismiss it all as "garbage" seems very disrespectful. Even the worst episodes have redeeming moments and factors in them.
umop_3pisdn
Member
I watched it and he's right about everything tbh.
bobawesome
Member
From where I'm sitting, you sound like the angry neckbeard lol.
GillianSeed79
Member
First season was awesome. The other two are terrible.
Rushersauce
Banned
I know this already. Honestly I think the first episode of the show was super promising, coming from a die-hard Jeremy Brett fan. The modern take felt fresh, Martin Freeman killed it as Watson. (The main theme is amazing too.)
Then came the racist Chinese episode.
Then came the bizarre Moriarty who would be mildly interesting if he could stay dead.
Then they ruined arguably the most interesting case (Baskerville)
Then they tossed out any resemblance of detecting in favour of dumb drama and what they think are clever twists but aren't.
Then they keep playing the high functioning sociopath angle up so much that I lost all respect for anyone who still hangs out with him.
The weird run time and limited number of episodes are definitely issues, and in my opinion fatal. The thing is, I still like watching the damn thing, if only for the train wreck spectacle.
Then came the racist Chinese episode.
Then came the bizarre Moriarty who would be mildly interesting if he could stay dead.
Then they ruined arguably the most interesting case (Baskerville)
Then they tossed out any resemblance of detecting in favour of dumb drama and what they think are clever twists but aren't.
Then they keep playing the high functioning sociopath angle up so much that I lost all respect for anyone who still hangs out with him.
The weird run time and limited number of episodes are definitely issues, and in my opinion fatal. The thing is, I still like watching the damn thing, if only for the train wreck spectacle.
People shitting and immediately disregarding this guy's opinion for liking the Richie movies are missing the point.
The movies are actually aware they're just being standard Hollywood popcorn affairs and thus, deliver themselves as such while still maintaining some semblance of what the character is known for.
What the video is arguing for the most part is that the BBC show is just being self-overindulgent in its own portrayal of the character while struggling to maintain a faux facade of wit and intellectualism regarding the mystery aspect.
The movies are actually aware they're just being standard Hollywood popcorn affairs and thus, deliver themselves as such while still maintaining some semblance of what the character is known for.
What the video is arguing for the most part is that the BBC show is just being self-overindulgent in its own portrayal of the character while struggling to maintain a faux facade of wit and intellectualism regarding the mystery aspect.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I just watched two episodes of Elementary and while its bog standard detective procedural that material fits Sherlock Holmes so much better than...whatever Sherlock was by Season 3 and the more emotional beats still manage to be fairly affecting
Seems kind of weird considering his whole defense of Dark Souls 2 was "not being what you knew and loved doesn't make a thing bad."
What he really dislikes is how the show actively despises and shows contempt for its source material, and how the eschews showing Holmes actually solve crimes using observation and deductive reasoning for special effects, camera work, and both literal and figurative handwaving.
Also, are you really going to defend Sherlock's portrayal of Moriarty?
cartoon_soldier
Member
Maybe his whole thing is making episodes that get clicks and views.
Damn it, I like Hbomberguy and I hate Moffat's Sherlock, but who has two hours spare these days?
My main problem is that the mysteries are never explained. Compare and contrast with Columbo, a detective show that explained the crime at the start of the episode and then worked backwards. Sherlock's mysteries are so convoluted that, even when they do attempt to explain them, they make no sense. The writers' priority seems to be making Sherlock an omniscient dickhead and everything else comes a distant second.
My main problem is that the mysteries are never explained. Compare and contrast with Columbo, a detective show that explained the crime at the start of the episode and then worked backwards. Sherlock's mysteries are so convoluted that, even when they do attempt to explain them, they make no sense. The writers' priority seems to be making Sherlock an omniscient dickhead and everything else comes a distant second.
Miles Quaritch
Member
On point. Luther doesn't get nearly enough love and it can be seen as a much better Sherlock in a lot of ways.
I like Sherlock, but I'm not a fan of the constant social issues they keep giving him. We get it, he's not great at social interactions, do we really need to be constantly hit over the head with it?
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Alright, you babies. You don't wanna watch a 2 hour video, so here's the tl;dr version.
- The show is focused too much around how super-special-awesome Sherlock and Moriarty are at the expense of literally everything else.
- Because of this, almost all the other characters are basically destroyed, turning Watson from a viewer viewpoint character into a glorified extra who's most notable contributions to the story are as a Dude in Distress or turning Irene Adler from a one-off anti-villain into Sherlock's bisexual dominatrix girlfriend who doesn't even do the one thing she's actually famous for (beating Sherlock).
- The show strings along audiences by teasing major plot developments but either keeps putting off actually delivering these point or flat out does the opposite of what they were teasing in the name of being "clever" (see the constant teasing of Moriarty coming back after Season 2 despite it never leading anywhere, or the opening of the last episode basically being revealed to have not even actually happened).
- After the first episode or two the show basically stops providing the audience with anywhere near the information they need to make the mystery solvable to the audience, instead having Holmes get the necessary info offscreen or some other bullshit, which basically misses what makes the entire fucking mystery genre so engaging, being presented all the evidence and then watching it fall into place as the mystery is solved.
- The writers seem to have contempt for the original stories, having Sherlock dismiss the solutions from the original stories in disdainful manners and basically gutting simple, well regarded stories in favor of convoluted nonsense, because, once again, it's "clever"
- On top of that, the writers also seem to have contempt for the fans, with an entire episode spent mocking fan theorists despite them being the people actually treating the show like a mystery series instead of just "watching Sherlock be smart," which seems to be what the writers want them to do.
- This is all wrapped up in a package that is overdone with overly slick editing and cinematography that adds nothing to the show and seems to exist solely to burn the insane budget the BBC gives them each season.
Messofanego
Banned
The show was popular from day 1.
A Link to the Past
Banned
But OP only commented on the quality of his other videos, the barebones summary of the video, and pointed out that it may be disagreeable. OP did not recommend the video, he recommended the creator. Just like when people get excited over an upcoming movie because of the cast.
I would contend that the format difference is pretty significant. HBomberguy is not making a 90-minute TV show, he is making a 90-minute YouTube video. Such a video is intended for the consumption of:
1. People interested in why this video exists, and
2. People who like his content.
One of HBomberguy's quirks, which I think is actually a decent quality of his, is that he goes on tangents. It can be a problematic direction for a video, but only if it's done in a shitty way. I certainly don't think a mockery of a relevant TV show comparison is necessarily a bad thing to include. Mind you that I haven't seen the video, so I can't tell you personally what I think, just generally what I think about the idea of a very long review relative to its coverage. For instance, the Prequel Trilogy reviews from RedLetterMedia are famously long, could easily justify trimming, and are of movies that are arguably boring and could be trimmed down (there have been proposals that include trimming The Phantom Menace down to five minutes!). Yet, I would absolutely argue that the 70-minute, 90-minute, and 110-minute reviews of the prequels are of a decent length. It's all pacing breh