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HBomberguy: "Sherlock (the BBC show) Is Garbage, And Here's Why"
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agree but makes for good background noise
I'd agree with this. Same reason I enjoyed House even though it was 'just another medical procedural'. House isn't a show about illness just as Sherlock isn't a show about whodunnit- both are just mechanisms that allow us to watch the characters be douchebags
Pretty much.
Elementary - 120 episodes, not one bad.
At the very least, it's the most consistent procedural I've ever seen. Jonny Lee Miller is a great Sherlock.
It's a comfy show and unlike Sherlock it doesn't worship sherlock and makes him a magician
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I actually watch most of it while playing Doorkickers, so yeah
Doctor Bat
Member
Don't know if I can make it through these two hours if he keeps pronouncing it Moff-at.
Mister Wolf
Member
I always felt the bbc Sherlock downplayed his drug abuse. Holmes is a drug addict.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Honestly the part I enjoy the most about Elementary is the fact that it isn't afraid to stray from the source due to the changes they made for the procedural format, and actually gave the characters some fucking development.
old manatee
Banned
There have been a bunch of Holmes adaptations lately, but the only one I've actually thought was great was Ian McKellen's Mr. Holmes.
There have been a bunch of Holmes adaptations lately, but the only one I've actually thought was great was Ian McKellen's Mr. Holmes.
I just watched this last week. An excellent film and McKellen was a superb Sherlock. Far better than Cumberbatch.
Person of Interest has these beat. So do Limitless and iZombie actually.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Some of the episodes have been fantastic, some have been so-so and some have been bad.
¯\_(ツ_/¯
Pretty fair.
The quality of the show tends to decline between series though. Sharply.
The show just needs one last Christmas Special where Molly is not treated like trash. That is all I want.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I still like Sherlock but that show did a very very bad thing by making Sherlock/Holmes relationship the focal point of the series.
I liked the two episodes I saw of Elementary okay and may get back to it but I'd honestly rather be watching British mystery shows if I'm going to watch mysteries. That said, I already watched the new Vera and Midsomer Murders so I may need to find something else til I can get new episodes of like Hinterland or Endeavour (if they're making more?).
I liked the two episodes I saw of Elementary okay and may get back to it but I'd honestly rather be watching British mystery shows if I'm going to watch mysteries. That said, I already watched the new Vera and Midsomer Murders so I may need to find something else til I can get new episodes of like Hinterland or Endeavour (if they're making more?).
And don't make a meta special or some mind palace nonsense that ruined an otherwise amusing special
D
Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
He's got a ton of good points, some non-points and a bit of bullshit, but he's mostly right if you get down to it. That said, I still like the show a lot so I'm still fine with it.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Hey. Elementary is a good show. If you like bog standard crime procedurals, it's better than the usual suspects (your CSI's, NCIS's, Criminal Minds's, etc.), but a lot of it hinges on whether you like the Holmes/Watson chemistry, like most Holmes inspired works.
Hell, the only shows I actively keep up with season to season these days is Criminal Minds, Elementary and Lucifer, and I think the only reason I like Lucifer the most is because it's still the freshest of the three. Elementary's been going for like five seasons now.
I didn't know the last season was hated this much. I liked it despite some flaws all of the seasons have. It may not be very deep but its fun and the dynamics between the characters has always been great.
People who say it's the worst TV production ever should try and watch some of our german productions by our public and private broadcasters.
I envy you for your BBC productions...
People who say it's the worst TV production ever should try and watch some of our german productions by our public and private broadcasters.
I envy you for your BBC productions...
It's hilarious. Elementary is as generic as a series can get. A filler series you see in every country on channels nobody watches.
BBC Sherlock is completely unique and even though the last season was weaker, still one of the best shows ever made.
One of the best villains ever written and acted in TV.
MadJackChurchill
Banned
He's right. BBC dramas and science fantasy shows are...bad.
...and just like that, I've determined that his opinion is meaningless.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The example he uses is the bullet time wedding shots from Watson's wedding which required an expensive setup of dozens of cameras and serve...what function exactly?
Elementary at the very least is typically written by someone who understands the very basics of how events in a screenplay should be strung together to form a narrative, and it manages this with like 20 episodes a season. Sherlock has 3 episodes a series and can't even make it to series 3 before becoming literally nonsense
CrunchyFrog
Member
Imagine if Michael Bay decided to make Sherlock Holmes. That's S4E3.
absolute.
total.
fucking.
madness.
In the realm of other good not-Sherlock TV adaptations, I'd also put up Psych and the first 5 seasons of House.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Because a video critique that's longer than an entire season of the thing it's critiquing just might be a tad overdone? Nah couldn't be it...
To each their own, but I can't wrap my head around the idea of anyone enjoying his performance.
Sherlock has always been prone to over direction and over stylization, but the worst example was the vase breaking transitions in S4E1. It's a Windows Movie Maker-tier effect, and in one moment it created momentary confusion that a bomb had gone off or something.
I really can't stand this clickbait-ey nonsense anymore. Sherlock might not be the best series in the world, but it's certainly not "garbage" by any means. Calling it that is just overexaggerated nonsense. I'm just sick and tired of people feeling the need to exaggerate their opinions into the extremes, just because that's what you do on the internet to get heard.
I don't even care if the video's good. I'm sure he makes valid points and in all likelihood the actual video is a lot more nuanced than the video title makes it appear. He might have done great work all things considered. But you know what? I'm just over this. I don't want to disregard a title anymore just because "clickbaits are neccessary to get clicks!". If you do a detailed two hour video give it a proper name and I'm in, but I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore.
He and his peers can live just fine without me though and that's fine, I just needed to vent a bit.
I don't even care if the video's good. I'm sure he makes valid points and in all likelihood the actual video is a lot more nuanced than the video title makes it appear. He might have done great work all things considered. But you know what? I'm just over this. I don't want to disregard a title anymore just because "clickbaits are neccessary to get clicks!". If you do a detailed two hour video give it a proper name and I'm in, but I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore.
He and his peers can live just fine without me though and that's fine, I just needed to vent a bit.
Raptomex
Member
Yeah, really. I haven't seen season 4 but I enjoyed what I have seen so far.Everyone seems to hate on Sherlock now. I remain steadfast in my devotion to it. I enjoyed every minute of it.
So...
My girlfriend isn't a bit fan of Sherlock for a lot of the same reasons this guy lists, and feels the same about Moffat in-regard to his treatment to the series and also Doctor Who.
She also likes Elementary better than Sherlock because it has better characters and it treats its characters better.
She also likes Elementary better than Sherlock because it has better characters and it treats its characters better.
It's too long, but it's still just barely longer than a single episode, nevermind an entire season.Because a video critique that's longer than an entire season of the thing it's critiquing just might be a tad overdone? Nah couldn't be it...
Yeah, I get that this is a "series" ("_ is garbage, here's why") of his but it's bad naming. A good title can convey a message in more detail.I really can't stand this clickbait-ey nonsense anymore. Sherlock might not be the best series in the world, but it's certainly not "garbage" by any means. Calling it that is just overexaggerated nonsense. I'm just sick and tired of people feeling the need to exaggerate their opinions into the extremes, just because that's what you do on the internet to get heard.
I don't even care if the video's good. I'm sure he makes valid points and in all likelihood the actual video is a lot more nuanced than the video title makes it appear. He might have done great work all things considered. But you know what? I'm just over this. I don't want to disregard a title anymore just because "clickbaits are neccessary to get clicks!". If you do a detailed two hour video give it a proper name and I'm in, but I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore.
He and his peers can live just fine without me though and that's fine, I just needed to vent a bit.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I keep meaning to watch this. I mean...how can one go wrong with Sherlock + Ian McKellan? That's great casting. Maybe I'll go grab this tonight from Family Video and finally give it a go.
There have been a bunch of Holmes adaptations lately, but the only one I've actually thought was great was Ian McKellen's Mr. Holmes.
Yeah. It is pretty damn frustrating. And what really sucks is that a lot of YouTube channels I love are doing it lately. I just have to take a deep breath and force myself to look beyond the title. I really don't know if the fault lies with the people making these titles, or an audience that maybe wants everything sensationalized and over-the-top. We live in a world where you can't go a day without some news article that says something like "Read how Bob SLAMMED Tony's take on blah blah blah". Or someone gets demolished, hammered, eaten alive, whatever. Then you read the article and go "oh...that one little comment was it?"I really can't stand this clickbait-ey nonsense anymore. Sherlock might not be the best series in the world, but it's certainly not "garbage" by any means. Calling it that is just overexaggerated nonsense. I'm just sick and tired of people feeling the need to exaggerate their opinions into the extremes, just because that's what you do on the internet to get heard.
I don't even care if the video's good. I'm sure he makes valid points and in all likelihood the actual video is a lot more nuanced than the video title makes it appear. He might have done great work all things considered. But you know what? I'm just over this. I don't want to disregard a title anymore just because "clickbaits are neccessary to get clicks!". If you do a detailed two hour video give it a proper name and I'm in, but I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore.
He and his peers can live just fine without me though and that's fine, I just needed to vent a bit.
I feel ya. It's hard not to eye roll when people feel the need to describe everything they're not enamored with as "trash".I really can't stand this clickbait-ey nonsense anymore. Sherlock might not be the best series in the world, but it's certainly not "garbage" by any means. Calling it that is just overexaggerated nonsense. I'm just sick and tired of people feeling the need to exaggerate their opinions into the extremes, just because that's what you do on the internet to get heard.
I don't even care if the video's good. I'm sure he makes valid points and in all likelihood the actual video is a lot more nuanced than the video title makes it appear. He might have done great work all things considered. But you know what? I'm just over this. I don't want to disregard a title anymore just because "clickbaits are neccessary to get clicks!". If you do a detailed two hour video give it a proper name and I'm in, but I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore.
He and his peers can live just fine without me though and that's fine, I just needed to vent a bit.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
This is a perfect comparison. Somewhat talented writers terrible at story construction, given to just making shit up with no narrative support and up their own ass about how 'genius' they are.
I'm stealing this!
Moffat and Lindelof are up their own asses about how genius they are? Examples?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I've been calling him the Zack Snyder of British TV because he's very skilled at the craft of making a scene that appears dramatic or emotional and absolutely abysmal at constructing any of the context to make such a scene actually land. But I think Lindelof might be better
Hbomberguy actually has two video series: "[Blank] is Garbage, And Here's Why" and, if I'm remembering correctly, "In Defense of [Blank]". No prizes for guessing which ones are positive and which aren't.
In his defense, he's saying something's bad. Very bad. For which "garbage" is a synonym. I don't see how that's hyperbole.
In his defense, he's saying something's bad. Very bad. For which "garbage" is a synonym. I don't see how that's hyperbole.