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[Dahbomb]

You keep saying Reused assets, sure the models are probably from MvC3 but why is exactly is that a bad thing? these guys will most likely have new moves, reworked moves, changed hitboxes and speeds and specials, thats not exactly something that can be done lazily.

We have seen these characters in action... it's a copy/pasta job.

Like legit taking the same animations of normals, specials and hypers from Marvel 3 and putting it in Marvel Infinite. Some of them have new moves though but like... if you updated UMVC3 that's what you would get too... same characters with balanced moves and some new moves/mechanics.

In the reports, some characters have less moves than before like Chris.

 

[DR2K]

You can't complain about "lack of fan favorites" and then also complain about not having enough new characters. That's like asking for two separate things. Any newcomer they add means they didn't put in a fan favorite instead.

That's like saying you can't hate the fact that they excluded women and POC because adding one would take from the other. They're mutually exclusive concepts.

They didn't satisfy on either front regardless. The roster is so small and stuffed with bull shit that there are barely any winners.

 

[McNum]

You can't complain about "lack of fan favorites" and then also complain about not having enough new characters. That's like asking for two separate things. Any newcomer they add means they didn't put in a fan favorite instead.

But X! Previously snubbed fan favorites are the best kind of newcomers.

I am honestly willing to to overlook a lot of missing characters because X is there. I am annoyed at Viewtiful Joe, Felicia, and probably Deadpool being MIA, but... X. They gave me my most wanted in the first second of the first trailer.

Spoiler

Now, give X a Zero alt! Turnabout is fair play here.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

FGC and casual favorite is EASY DLC money.
Vergil will be the same thing.

DLC most likely.

Sound logic, but it's far from any Certainty at all.

I mean c'mon peeps, this means all of Viscant's team that won the first MvC3's Evo aren't in the game xD

 

[Red Arremer]

I know people keep raging at GnG having 2 characters, but both Arthur and Firebrand are distinct characters. You got a villain who also has wings - he is going to be one of the very few flight-based characters in this game. And Arthur is one of the few projectile based characters who also brings in the unique armour mechanic.

And again, pointing at the really boring ass Marvel roster, they HAVE to shake up the gameplay options on their own side.

You can't complain about "lack of fan favorites" and then also complain about not having enough new characters. That's like asking for two separate things. Any newcomer they add means they didn't put in a fan favorite instead.

I guess neither Phoenix Wright nor Zero were fan favourites, eh?

 

[Dahbomb]

Sound logic, but it's far from any Certainty at all.

I mean c'mon peeps, this means all of Viscant's team that won the first MvC3's Evo aren't in the game xD

You think that's bad?

None of Justin Wong's characters from either Marvel 2 or Marvel 3 are in this game at the moment.


Storm
Magneto
Sentinel
Cyclops
Cammy
Cable
Captain Commando
Psyclocke
Wolverine
Akuma
She Hulk
Tron Bonne
Amaterasu
Iron Fist
Vergil
Wesker

I guess neither Phoenix Wright nor Zero were fan favourites, eh?

They would be new characters in Marvel 3.

Technically EVERYTHING is a fan favorite. Every character on that roster has someone who has a fan of it otherwise they wouldn't be on there.

When I mean fan favorites I mean fan favorites from the series ie. veterans. Fan favorites to me are stuff like Wolverine, Magneto, Strider, Morrigan, Megaman, Dr Doom etc.

 

[vg260]

The roster is objectively terrible.

-Only 28 characters, a series low since MVC1.
-6 DLC, which will have to be paid for separately. These are the actual new characters and assets being charged for when they should be in the base game
-Reused (almost 100% reused) character assets AND a low character count means there are going to be huge problems with the base game. This is pure rushed of the door laziness
-Less than half are actually new, as in made from the ground up and not reusing assets
-MCU focus means the legacy of the series isn't even represented.
-Capcom side is just as pathetic, why GnG got 2 reps in a 14 man lineup makes no sense. On top of Jill and Wesker losing out to Nemisis. These aren't even new characters, they'll be reused assets as well.
-Lack of women and people of color. Could have been alleviated just resusing assets from MVC3.
-Lack of fan favorites on BOTH sides.

It's fucking awful for many reasons for many people.

I agree some of these are problematic, but about half of this list is subjective/speculation.

 

[DR2K]

My thing to is even if this was strictly going to be a straight up MCU vs Capcom roster, the omission of characters like Black Widow, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Falcon, & Scarlet Witch is stupid

Right, even with the MCU limitation. Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, and Black Widow shouldn't have been excluded for the likes Ant Man and fucking Hawkeye. Jesus Christ.

I agree some of these are problematic, but about half of this list is subjective/speculation.

You can factor in Capcoms track record and it brings anything speculative to life.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

On a related note, and not to make it a contest, but IMO the lack of female and PoC reps is a way bigger social/industry and commercial/sales issue than 28 or 38 characters, or any character individually not getting in. Especially if that gets some momentum behind it.

When almost half of Marvel's comics are marketed towards female readers and your game only has 2 playable Marvel female characters, that looks really bad. This isn't 90s or mid-2000s Marvel. This is 2017 Marvel.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

You can justify absolutely anything in a big mash up like this, though.

Wesker's mastermindendness goes out the window when Ultron/Sigma are the masterminds here. It's the too many villains problem that plagues so many superhero movies. You don't want a Spider-Man 3 or Batman and Robin thing here. See? Totally explained away.

This game literally has 2 capable villains. The other 2 (Firebrand, Nemesis) don't even speak and aren't great examples of villains to begin with.

When the headline is "Heroes and Villains fight together", then it implies there's going to be teamwork. Wesker's intelligence absolutely does not go out of the window under that scenario.

People complained about the lack of Capcom's villains. This is way worse.

 

[Pieman0920]

Right, even with the MCU limitation. Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, and Black Widow shouldn't have been excluded for the likes Ant Man and fucking Hawkeye. Jesus Christ.

From a gameplay standpoint, both Ant-Man and Hawkeye bring more to the table, though Black Panther could have easily filled the niche left by Wolverine being kicked out.

 

[vg260]

This game literally has 2 capable villains. The other 2 (Firebrand, Nemesis) don't even speak and aren't great examples of villains to begin with.

When the headline is "Heroes and Villains fight together", then it implies there's going to be teamwork. Wesker's intelligence absolutely does not go out of the window under that scenario.

People complained about the lack of Capcom's villains. This is way worse.

I don't disagree, but really any narrative could be used to justify inclusions/exclusions. It just depends on how they write it.

I know people keep raging at GnG having 2 characters, but both Arthur and Firebrand are distinct characters. You got a villain who also has wings - he is going to be one of the very few flight-based characters in this game. And Arthur is one of the few projectile based characters who also brings in the unique armour mechanic.

I love the GnG series, and am happy at least one rep is in. I just wish they left out Firebrand because it removes whatever slim chance we'd ever see Green Goblin in the game.

 

[Jawmuncher]

You keep saying Reused assets, sure the models are probably from MvC3 but why is exactly is that a bad thing? these guys will most likely have new moves, reworked moves, changed hitboxes and speeds and specials, thats not exactly something that can be done lazily.

The reused assets is going to get brought up for these reasons. They'll always be considered easier than making a new character from scratch. The issue is exemplified when the game looks the way it does and not even base costumes are changed. Casual players are going to see the same character in the game. They aren't going to care about the hit boxes and smaller details. The more mainstream base is just going to notice "why are there repeats and not more of them from last time?" Since in the case of SFV casuals can tell "oh they redid these characters, that's understandable there's less"

 

[Neoxon]

Right, even with the MCU limitation. Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, and Black Widow shouldn't have been excluded for the likes Ant Man and fucking Hawkeye. Jesus Christ.



You can factor in Capcoms track record and it brings anything speculative to life.

Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver are on the same boat as the other Fox characters.

 

[DR2K]

Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver are on the same boat as the other Fox characters.

Not in the MCU. They're obviously exceptions

 

[Neoxon]

Not in the MCU. They're obviously exceptions

I meant for games. Lego Avengers aside, they've been banned from anything the other Fox characters were banned from.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I know people keep raging at GnG having 2 characters, but both Arthur and Firebrand are distinct characters. You got a villain who also has wings - he is going to be one of the very few flight-based characters in this game. And Arthur is one of the few projectile based characters who also brings in the unique armour mechanic.

And again, pointing at the really boring ass Marvel roster, they HAVE to shake up the gameplay options on their own side.



I guess neither Phoenix Wright nor Zero were fan favourites, eh?

The GnG characters are always going to be the punching bag until more characters are in the game. Both Arthur and Firebrand offer good gameplay shake ups. However when a good majority of your purchasers don't care about that, they easily become the characters that stick out the most. "Why did red bat man get in over that blue guy with the sword or Wesker". GnG might have legacy with Capcom and Gaming as whole, but most aren't going to see that. They're just going to see the two most easily sacrificed characters that could've been cut for a newcomer or someone with more of a fan favorite appeal.

This is just another issue of capcom trying to be home to the mainstream and FGC.

 

[Dahbomb]

I do hope they differentiate Arthur and Megaman enough though.

And please give Arthur some mobility FFS. Putting a character in these games without at least a ground dash is a death sentence.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

I don't disagree, but really any narrative could be used to justify inclusions/exclusions. It just depends on how they write it.

True enough.

But the whole idea of the producer researching Youtube videos and forums to get a feel for what people wanted is horseshit. The roster obviously isn't going to be 99% fan favorites, but outside of X and Jedah, that Capcom side is the exact opposite of what he said it'll be.

On top of that, no Spider-Man villain once again.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I will say if Arthur or Firebrand is a "new" character like RE5 Jill based off this supposed reboot that is set in the 70s. That would alleviate the GnG punching. But that's doubtful.

 

[JazzmanZ]

True enough.

But the whole idea of the producer researching Youtube videos and forums to get a feel for what people wanted is horseshit. The roster obviously isn't going to be 99% fan favorites, but outside of X and Jedah, that Capcom side is the exact opposite of what he said it'll be.

On top of that, no Spider-Man villain once again.

at least we know Venom is coming as DLC

 

[Neoxon]

Rocket & Groot also seems to be a radical change from UMvC3 Rocket, so he could count as a new character.

 

[Shadoken]

I will say if Arthur or Firebrand is a "new" character like RE5 Jill based off this supposed reboot that is set in the 70s. That would alleviate the GnG punching. But that's doubtful.

What if Dante is new character as well based on DMC5. That would make it 6 new characters on Capcom side?

But nah 99% all 3 are going to be Copy pastad from MvC3.

 

[Dahbomb]

I would also add that calling that roster "MCU focused" is under selling it.

The roster is 100% MCU. People are going to defend that by saying "bbbbbbbut Nova tho!" and to that I say not only have Nova corps already been featured in the MCU but it's very likely that Nova will see an appearance in the MCU.

If people can defend GnG reps by saying "guys we have a new GnG games coming!" then I can say that we will have a MCU movie with Nova in it in the future.


So yeah the entire roster on the Marvel side is MCU. Stating the obvious here of course.

What if Dante is new character as well based on DMC5. That would make it 6 new characters on Capcom side?

But nah 99% all 3 are going to be Copy pastad from MvC3.

Rocket & Groot also seems to be a radical change from UMvC3 Rocket, so he could count as a new character.

I will believe these when I see them.

Though even if Dante is based off of a different version of him, he will still have staples like Stinger, gun shots, Hightime, Air Hike, Devil Trigger etc.

 

[Jawmuncher]

What if Dante is new character as well based on DMC5. That would make it 6 new characters on Capcom side?

But nah 99% all 3 are going to be Copy pastad from MvC3.

I do think is another factor. If some of these returnees are different that changes things as well. But as you said, from what we've seen so far it's doubtful.

 

[SneakersSO]

True enough.

But the whole idea of the producer researching Youtube videos and forums to get a feel for what people wanted is horseshit. The roster obviously isn't going to be 99% fan favorites, but outside of X and Jedah, that Capcom side is the exact opposite of what he said it'll be.

On top of that, no Spider-Man villain once again.

Spencer isn't a fan favorite anymore? Morrigan became one of the biggest characters in UMvC3. And fans were clamoring for the likes of X & Sigma in UMvC3. Frank West also had plenty of hype & people who loved his playstyle in the MvC3 series. And this time, we got Strider in the launch lineup.

Like, honestly, the biggest omissions on the Capcom side is probably Wesker & Vergil, and they just so happen to be some of the most played characters in the Capcom side in Marvel 3.

Also, several characters, specifically Chun-LI, looks infinitely more viable in Marvel Infinite than she did in Marvel 3. They totally got a feel for what people wanted - but they had criteria for who they'd pick & why.

 

[SneakersSO]

I would also add that calling that roster "MCU focused" is under selling it.

The roster is 100% MCU. People are going to defend that by saying "bbbbbbbut Nova tho!" and to that I say not only have Nova corps already been featured in the MCU but it's very likely that Nova will see an appearance in the MCU.

If people can defend GnG reps by saying "guys we have a new GnG games coming!" then I can say that we will have a MCU movie with Nova in it in the future.


So yeah the entire roster on the Marvel side is MCU. Stating the obvious here of course.

As pointed out by Neoxon, James Gunn is not a fan of Richard Ryder Nova or has not expressed any interest in incorporating him into a future movie. If we were ever going to get a Nova, there is a larger chance they'd be derived from Kid Nova.

 

[JazzmanZ]

I would also add that calling that roster "MCU focused" is under selling it.

The roster is 100% MCU. People are going to defend that by saying "bbbbbbbut Nova tho!" and to that I say not only have Nova corps already been featured in the MCU but it's very likely that Nova will see an appearance in the MCU.

If people can defend GnG reps by saying "guys we have a new GnG games coming!" then I can say that we will have a MCU movie with Nova in it in the future.


So yeah the entire roster on the Marvel side is MCU. Stating the obvious here of course.






I will believe these when I see them.

Though even if Dante is based off of a different version of him, he will still have staples like Stinger, gun shots, Hightime, Air Hike, Devil Trigger etc.

At some point through all those non MCU characters are going to show up in the MCU anyways.

 

[Dahbomb]

Biggest omissions from Capcom's side are Viewtiful Joe, Amaterasu, Phoenix Wright, Haggar, Zero, Wesker and Vergil. I can actually understand omissions of the last 3 for DLC because their series are well represented... but the former bunch needed more love. And they were all characters that saw reasonable amount of play so you can't even say that they weren't played or ignored on top of being "fan favorites" that people wanted in the game.

On the Marvel side to balance out those characters... Marvel could have brought back She Hulk, Dormammu, MODOK, Ghost Rider and Iron Fist. 10 additional characters in the main roster that would've rounded out the roster quite well with lots of different playstyles and with minimal effort as they are all in Marvel 3 AND legal characters to use as they aren't FOX characters.

Also, several characters, specifically Chun-LI, looks infinitely more viable in Marvel Infinite than she did in Marvel 3.

Chun Li "infinitely more viable"? You know Chun Li has won numerous majors in UMVC3 right? Making her "infinitely more viable" in Marvel Infinite might make her busted.

Talking about character viability at this stage is just non sense because we don't know what is going to work and what won't. Viability is in terms of relative strength of characters. Arthur could be absurdly better than his counter part in Marvel 3 and still be lower tier/unusable.

 

[Neoxon]

As pointed out by Neoxon, James Gunn is not a fan of Richard Rider Nova or has not expressed any interest in incorporating him into a future movie. If we were ever going to get a Nova, there is a larger chance they'd be derived from Kid Nova.

Gunn isn't really a fan of either Nova. That said, they already introduced Rhomann Dey, the Nova who gives Richard Rider his powers, into the MCU. Also, Marvel is pulling back from pushing Kid Nova since he never caught on.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

Spencer isn't a fan favorite anymore? Morrigan became one of the biggest characters in UMvC3. And fans were clamoring for the likes of X & Sigma in UMvC3. Frank West also had plenty of hype & people who loved his playstyle in the MvC3 series. And this time, we got Strider in the launch lineup.

Like, honestly, the biggest omissions on the Capcom side is probably Wesker & Vergil, and they just so happen to be some of the most played characters in the Capcom side in Marvel 3.

Also, several characters, specifically Chun-LI, looks infinitely more viable in Marvel Infinite than she did in Marvel 3. They totally got a feel for what people wanted - but they had criteria for who they'd pick & why.

Let's be honest, we know Spencer got in specifically because Peter is on the MVCI team. I doubt it has anything to do with being a fan favorite. Morrigan is a given since she's in every crossover. X is in, yes. Strider, yes. Sigma is DLC and should've been in day 1 considering he's a fellow antagonist of Ultron. Frank West is another given. I like Arthur and Firebrand, but they have no business both being in a 28 character roster.

No Wesker, Vergil, Nero, Phoenix Wright, Zero, Akuma, Haggar, Jill (MVC2), Viewtiful Joe, Ammy, Gene, Asura, Rival Schools rep, Power Stone, Sengoku Basara. This is what crossovers are supposed to be about. Bringing in various franchises to rep the Capcom side. There's none of that. This is infinitely more scarce than anything in MVC3 and it sucks.

I also think it's way too early to talk about viability. Chun-Li looked viable when everyone was running her for her Lightning Legs assist in beta MVC3. What happened by release? Dropped like a bad habit by nearly everyone.

 

[roflwaffles]

No one should like Nova.



hes an asshole

 

[Neoxon]

No one should like Nova.

I like Nova, at least as of Annihilation (part of my favorite run of Cosmic Marvel).

 

[Doctrine Dark]

I don't like or dislike Nova's inclusion. I hate that he's the only non-MCU rep.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Spencer isn't a fan favorite anymore? Morrigan became one of the biggest characters in UMvC3. And fans were clamoring for the likes of X & Sigma in UMvC3. Frank West also had plenty of hype & people who loved his playstyle in the MvC3 series. And this time, we got Strider in the launch lineup.

Like, honestly, the biggest omissions on the Capcom side is probably Wesker & Vergil, and they just so happen to be some of the most played characters in the Capcom side in Marvel 3.

Also, several characters, specifically Chun-LI, looks infinitely more viable in Marvel Infinite than she did in Marvel 3. They totally got a feel for what people wanted - but they had criteria for who they'd pick & why.

I find this post pretty opening. Since it shows the different side of things. This is definitely more evident of a more FGC oriented player.

Spencer is a fan favorite there. Morrigan is there for legacys sake. In mainstream he is not at all. X & Sigma I would agree as being the most "based on fan feedback" inclusions this game has thus far. Strider has the legacy status so that fits to. Frank is the one that's a little odd. He's like right in the middle from how things look in the bigger picture. As a franchise rep and face of DR he's great. But I've never seen much in the way of people clamoring for his style.

 

[vg260]

Biggest omissions from Capcom's side are Viewtiful Joe, Amaterasu, Haggar, Zero, Wesker and Vergil. I can actually understand omissions of the last 3 for DLC because their series are well represented... but the former bunch needed more love. And they were all characters that saw reasonable amount of play so you can't even say that they weren't played or ignored on top of being "fan favorites" that people wanted in the game.

On the Marvel side to balance out those characters... Marvel could have brought back She Hulk, Dormammu, MODOK, Ghost Rider and Iron Fist. 10 additional characters in the main roster that would've rounded out the roster quite well with lots of different playstyles and with minimal effort as they are all in Marvel 3 AND legal characters to use as they aren't FOX characters.

Yeah, I agree with this. Even just those first 3 Capcom characters and any of those 3 Marvel ones would have made this a feel a lot less lacking.

 

[roflwaffles]

I like Nova, at least as of Annihilation (part of my favorite run of Cosmic Marvel).

I only said that because I hated how braindead he was in UMVC3 (especially online). Definitely one of my least favorite point characters to go up against.

 

[Dahbomb]

The good thing about having the leaked roster out there is now we can all focus on the rest of the game and not have to post wishlists for the game. Just go through the acceptance phase and figure out how we plan to support or not support the product, DLC or not.

Ball is in Capcom's court to distract us from this leak.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

Sneakers, is this a game that you're confident will move 2 million units?

Forgetting about roster for a quick second, based on what you know, how good is the game's content for a casual?

 

[Red Arremer]

I don't like or dislike Nova's inclusion. I hate that he's the only non-MCU rep.

Spoiler

Granted, Richard Rider is not in the MCU, but the Nova Corps is, and I wouldn't be surprised if they might make a Rider MCU film at some point.

 

[Neonep]

Still surprised nobody from the Netflix series are there. It was totally logical.

 

[Dahbomb]

I really hope we don't get that visual design in this game.

Nova's design in UMVC3 was absolutely perfect.

 

[Lulubop]

Spoiler

Granted, Richard Rider is not in the MCU, but the Nova Corps is, and I wouldn't be surprised if they might make a Rider MCU film at some point.

Gimme John C Reilly Nova and I'm day 1 in this bitch.

 

[Neonep]

I really hope we don't get that visual design in this game.

Nova's design in UMVC3 was absolutely perfect.

Yep.

 

[Shadoken]

Sneakers, is this a game that you're confident will move 2 million units?

Forgetting about roster for a quick second, based on what you know, how good is the game's content for a casual?

I mean it doesn't really seem that hard right?

SFV still shipped 1.4 despite no Arcade mode,Cinematic Story. This game has all that + an Xbox release. People here seem pretty upset with the roster , but Asura,Gene,Squirrel Girl aren't really gonna be helping them ship any more units. Lack of Wolverine and Xmen might take a hit but MCU is also much bigger now than back then.

Main driving factor would be reviews at launch , if they are happy and it gets 80+ on meta. Dont see why it wont hit 2m. Everyone here will complain , but buy the game anyway lol. And even if nobody here does buy it , Gaf is still such a minority.

 

[Neoxon]

I really hope we don't get that visual design in this game.

Nova's design in UMVC3 was absolutely perfect.

Assuming we get Richard Rider, he may look like the one on the right.

The one on the left is Sam Alexander.

 

[Seyavesh]

This is definitely more evident of a more FGC oriented player.

haha, no

 

[Newniverse]

Jedah is one of only three Capcom newcomers, hailing from a series that hasn't had a new installment in 20 years. There's no point in trying to make sense of Capcom's choices.

I'm sorry but THIS. I see a lot of people trying to justify Capcoms decisions here and you just can't. Every aspect of this game was just uninspired and is money grubbing to the maximum. If you want to make fan favorites as dlc, that's fine, but just make sure the base game is interesting enough to buy it in the first place, which it is not. This is classic Capcom shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Jawmuncher]

haha, no

It definitely ain't a casual viewpoint

 

[Neonep]

This game ain't for casuals because Wolverine not being there is the biggest no no. Wolverine is more popular and recognizable than anyone on the Marvel side of the roster and there isn't a close second.