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The Verge w/ Phil Spencer: "PS4 Pro is a Xbox One S competitor, not true 4K system."
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SprachBrooks
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Phil Spencer is one of the slimiest fucks in the industry. I love how he deluded a lot of people into thinking when he became head of the division that it was a change of the guard haha.
SpookyFries
Member
I asked this in another thread but it got buried really fast.
Do these specs really even matter that much when devs still have to work within the confines of the original Xbox One? Yeah they can push 4k, 60fps, and graphical effects but the game has to still run on the OG Xbox One. It almost feels to me like they put in more specs so they can spout out numbers. It reminds me of when the Jaguar marketing kept using "64bit" as a buzz word.
Do these specs really even matter that much when devs still have to work within the confines of the original Xbox One? Yeah they can push 4k, 60fps, and graphical effects but the game has to still run on the OG Xbox One. It almost feels to me like they put in more specs so they can spout out numbers. It reminds me of when the Jaguar marketing kept using "64bit" as a buzz word.
jmaine_ph
Member
I think he's in this thread right now just laughing lol.
Oh I thought he found console wars distasteful? Or maybe he's just a disingenuous marketing man who will say whatever it takes at any given moment for a win? Hmm.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Get outta here, Phil. You and I both know it ain't true. Why you lyin?
Stick to your nice guy tactic, it's been working just fine for you and your company.
Stick to your nice guy tactic, it's been working just fine for you and your company.
the_darkness
Banned
Remind me what kind of 4k rendering and UHD drive the PS4 Pro has.
gigantor21
Member
I am too disappointed with both of them to care about specs at this point. :/
Primethius
Banned
It makes sense. The Pro is a competitor to the XB1 S sales wise.
Unfortunately, MS does not have anything competing with the base PS4.
Unfortunately, MS does not have anything competing with the base PS4.
Last_colossi
Member
Phil Spencer said:
I get what you're trying to say Phil but, just don't.
When both consoles are limited to 30fps in most cases due to their shit CPU's I really couldn't care less which does better 4K, that being said I'll probably​ pick up a XOX near release anyway, because if there's anything I've learnt from owning a Pro it's that even if a game isn't running in full 4K your still almost guaranteed to get the less shit version of whatever game that is due to the boost mode.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
PS4 Pro price is currently 349 euro in the Netherlands. That offer includes Horizon Zero Dawn. So Sony is already cutting the price of the PS4 Pro. It's probably a temporary offer, but it proves Sony can cut the price at the moment and will do it again when they see reason to so (i.e. holidays). I'm absolutely sure that when the Xbox One X is released in November Sony will bring the price down to 349 euro again.
You realize there's a bunch of native 4k games on the pro and not every X game will be native 4k? Ass Creed origins was confirmed to be dynamic 4k despite Microsoft's remarks about it.
X1 will still be the baseline. Same for the PS4 vs PS4 Pro. But PC gaming hasnt been any different in that regard; it's just that the lowest spec is more clear now for developers. They'll probably optimise a game first for regular PS4/X1, and then start tweaking to increase performance on Scorpio / Pro. And these are '4K boxes' first (or atleast attempting to); and no 'framerate doublers' or anything like that. If a game runs 30FPS on OG X1 / PS4, chances are that it will be 30FPS on Scorpio / PS4 Pro as well.
Musky_Cheese
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They have no competition for the slim. Sales data shows that. I guess he is sort of right.
These are the most technologically similar consoles ever. Most households don't have tvs that can tell the difference and even when they do, even digital foundry admits checkered board 4k is basically the same as native 4k at normal viewing distances.
Pretty embarassing answer, but I'll blame Phil's E3 fever for possibly not thinking too much about that question. I still like this dude. He's a PR person, but comes very sincere at times.
"what kind of 4k rendering"
Excuse me, but what?
PS4 Pro has a lot of native 4K games. What makes a system "full 4K"? Ability to run all games at 4K resolution? In that case I'll be very surprised if we get such system during the next decade.
"what kind of 4k rendering"
Excuse me, but what?
PS4 Pro has a lot of native 4K games. What makes a system "full 4K"? Ability to run all games at 4K resolution? In that case I'll be very surprised if we get such system during the next decade.
suddenlyissoon
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I'm trying to say that Gaf has an EXTREMELY short memory and wants what they can't have until the next thing comes along to hate. People shit on Sony for being unfriendly to consumers and not having backwards compatibility. MS does it and they act like no one uses or wants it. Sony brings out the Pro and everyone complains about it and their 4K solution. MS brings what they Gaf originally wanted, then they complain again. A few years back they complained about how MS had abandoned indie gamers and MS focuses on them since they have a lack of AAA studios and they say it's the worst conference "ever"
It's really the only explanation for all of this to me. PS4 Pro has been a great system for me but I really do want more. Not being able to play MLB The Show 17 in true 4K at a smooth frame rate has shown that to me for sure. I'll buy the Xbox X under the assumption that I did with the Pro. I will play my multi platforms on whatever system offers the best overall experience.
I actually bought a PS4 Pro + Horizon + Extra controller for 380 @ bol.com; that was a pretty good offer ^_^
InsaneTiger
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Phil is full of it, like almost all individuals that work their work to that position. Lots of crap.
It's reverse 900p all over again.
Caio
Member
Speech like that put down the MS brand and reputation, he can't even touch Sony...believe me I was speechless, couldn't believe, even knowing him.
No. The checkerboard "crap" is impressive, but it's not 4K.
BRocknRolla
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If the Xbox One X ends up with games that aren't native 4k, are you going to pull it's "real 4k" card too? Somehow I doubt it.
Jaguar Victory
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Well this is sure to rustle Somme jimmies. LOL
CambriaRising
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Sure Phil.
But the fact is that there is one sitting in my house and I'll probably never buy the XboneX unless you actually out some exclusive games on the thing.
But the fact is that there is one sitting in my house and I'll probably never buy the XboneX unless you actually out some exclusive games on the thing.
I don't because it does not have enough ram to do 4k textures and 4k assets.
cripterion
Member
I think they must have fallen on hard times if they can't even keep FIFA and CoD marketing agreements. As far as Phil comments, I haven't seen any game that has wowed me on their console, true 4K or not.
Poimandres
Member
Jesus man, settle down. How did you come to the conclusion he is a "slimy fuck"?
GHG
Gold Member
Checkerboarding is crap now? Have a word with yourself.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Well it really does 4k. Like actually in real life. Really.
Or is there really a real 4k console? Really no if we were to use your way of thinking
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Well that explains a lot.
All this time we thought the XBO was a PS4 competitor, when it was really competing with other sub HD consoles.
All this time we thought the XBO was a PS4 competitor, when it was really competing with other sub HD consoles.
Obviously the Xbox One's true competitor was the WiiU.
Camarasketch
Member
He just needs to say that to justify the exaggerated price of that thing.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
Isn't the spec gap between the S and the PS4 Pro bigger than the Pro and the X?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
No AAA title is going to ship with native 4K.
Night Hunter
Banned
Has he seen God of War and Spider-Man?
EDIT: Shit, I should have just said "Spider-Man", maybe that would have been the new Scorpio meme. Ah well, C'est la vie ...
EDIT: Shit, I should have just said "Spider-Man", maybe that would have been the new Scorpio meme. Ah well, C'est la vie ...
potatohead
Member
No one will hear it in the real world that's the thing.
I have a couple of friends who will be buying the xbox one x pretty much guarantee they won't hear this kind of pr
The entire e3 ms presser like every year sounds so delusional. They really need to hire a non Microsoft writer and provide manager. So many platitudes and generic statements so tiring to watch
Okami Haundo
Member
Oh boy...
I mean, it was pretty clear at this time last year that Microsoft felt this way. I don't think they would have made as big of a push to get 4K support in the Xbox One S if they didn't. Obviously the hardcore audiences like we have here on Gaf won't agree with this statement at all, but I'd be curious to see what less informed people think.
Microsoft certainly has an uphill battle if they plan to pitch Xbox One S as the cheap alternative to the PS4 Pro while Scorpio is the "better" version. I just... I don't fully get it, but you do you Phil.
I mean, it was pretty clear at this time last year that Microsoft felt this way. I don't think they would have made as big of a push to get 4K support in the Xbox One S if they didn't. Obviously the hardcore audiences like we have here on Gaf won't agree with this statement at all, but I'd be curious to see what less informed people think.
Microsoft certainly has an uphill battle if they plan to pitch Xbox One S as the cheap alternative to the PS4 Pro while Scorpio is the "better" version. I just... I don't fully get it, but you do you Phil.
ElBoxyBrown
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I mean, I'll take a powerful console over exclusives.
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