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[culafia]

I don't think you know how quotation marks work.

 

[Ensirius]

Yeah I really don't see how an statement like this is going to help them.

 

[Carl]

I mean, he can look at it how he likes. He's still wrong though

 

[Machina]

MS ain't taking none of Sony's shit it seems

Spoiler

XOX is still a bomba

 

[blastprocessor]

Digital Foundry is going to be interesting. But l do expect XBox X to use some of those Pro techniques as l don't expect everything to scale up to 4K given some Xbox games run at 720p.

 

[TBiddy]

That was a Eurogamer interview, but he did say the same thing there so I imagine a lot of the comments will be the same. Seems like we need a "Phil Spencer says a thing |OT|" more than ever.

This is obviously the official PR line they're doubling-down on. I find it quite amusing.

The article from TheVerge is based on the Eurogamer-interview. But yes, a Phil Spencer OT would be a good idea. He's posting billions of interviews each time there's something new regarding Xbox.

 

[Gattsu25]

The market, not executives, decides what a competitor is.

 

[The Giant]

Only a loser like Phil will say something this stupid.

 

[j0hnnix]

Cough Still true 4k, innit?

Cough most powerful machine in the world!

 

[Wrestlemania]

I have a PS4 Pro and 4K capable PC connected to a 50” 4K TV. I can’t see the difference between 1440p and 4K. This “true 4K” thing just isn’t something anyone is really going to notice.

 

[plasmawave]

How's the X not competing against the Pro in terms of performance/pricing/sales expectations?

 

[_Aaron_]

Sick burn. Phil is going for the jugular.

 

[jmaine_ph]

The Pro in spec is closer to the X than the S.

The S isn't even more powerful than the OG PS4. This side Phil is off the chain lol

 

[Fredrik]

Payback from the "Xbox 360 is more like Xbox 1.5" talk from Sony?

 

[Bishop89]

Arrogant Microsoft is back

Spoiler

am i doing it right?

 

[spannicus]

Only a loser like Phil will say something this stupid.

Pretty sure dudes got a good life. Wouldnt call that a loser.

 

[Auto_aim1]

They drank their own power kool-aid, didn't they? As if the ''I saw the most powerful console'' t-shirts weren't cringey enough. Whatever Phil, you haven't given us a big enough reason to buy the damn console.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

He's not wrong although it would be awkward of any game on X1X is FaultK

 

[Shiggy]

I think he's very right. The Xbox One S will be the main competitor of both PS4 and PS4 Pro. Mainly because I don't expect the Xbox One X to sell very well, both due to its price and its lineup.

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

He should get off of his high horse, the PS4 Pro competes with Xbox One X in the same degree the Xbox One competes with regular PS4, only PS4 gets many more games.

Spoiler

And isn't 499$

 

[GraveRobberX]

This thread should be fun

I see Scorpio and the Pro as competitors, although the S and the Pro are closer priced.

Even then I can't see someone picking an S over the much more powerful Pro

Umm...

S - $249.99
Pro - $399.99

$150 Difference

Pro - $399.99
X1X - $499.99

$100 Difference

So how are S and Pro closer priced?

 

[ActWan]

Lmao. Now I hope the Pro sells more than Scorpio.

 

[Widge]

yeah, so you keep saying...

Yeah this is their issue right now. They've got no chance of winning back third party mass market support, and this machine won't solve that. Sony mitigated the damage on the PS3 with their support, putting them well in the driving seat when they snatched back the third party attention on PS4. There are years of mentality shift to resolve for MS.

All eyes on the next machines. Whoever comes out of the blocks fastest, cheapest and leanest will be on the front foot.

 

[Macrotus]

MS "trying" to rub that salt in.

 

[le.phat]

Phil still trying to have a conversation about specs lol. People moved the fuck on Phil. Try again next gen, this generation is a wrap.

Phil needs a safe zone after this E3.

Lmao. Now I hope the Pro sells more than Scorpio.

No need for hope friend, Sony's position is ironclad this generation.

 

[Alienous]

Lmao. Now I hope the Pro sells more than Scorpio.

No need for hope.

 

[Captain Smirk]

The Ps4 Pro quotes are to be expected, trying to communicate the difference but this

Finally, Spencer addresses the lack of first-party game announcements during Microsoft's E3 press conference. Microsoft had plenty of big games to show, but in terms of announcements it was only Forza Motorsport 7 as a truly new triple-A title. Spencer believes Ori, Super Lucky's Tale, and Sea of Thieves serve as solid announcements, but he admits he has been heavily focused on hardware over the past few years since taking over the chief Xbox role. ”I do think we have an opportunity to get better in first-party and to grow," says Spencer. ”We've got great support from the company to go do that."


Spencer also notes Microsoft has signed some ”things we haven't announced" but that it's too early to build hype about.

This guy, constantly hyping fans up with this 'wait till the next one' speech

 

[jmaine_ph]

How are the S and Pro even being mentioned in the same sentence when the S isn't even more powerful than the OG PS4? 🤔

 

[UpUpDownDown]

Yikes.

Sounds like someone isn't having a good day.

But whatever.... We signed some things, we just can't tell you. Lol

 

[CrayToes]

Go home, Phil.

 

[zpiders]

The Xbox One S can barely compete graphically with the OG PS4, let alone the Pro.

 

[Fliesen]

Umm...

S - $249.99
Pro - $399.99

$150 Difference

Pro - $399.99
X1X - $499.99

$100 Difference

So how are S and Pro closer priced?

to be fair, the S has just received a price drop, the X hasn't even been released.
By the time the X releases, i believe Sony might drop the Pro's price.

Like, why throw away money now when the X isn't even on shelves yet.

 

[MercuryLS3]

The same way that xbox one isn't a ps4 competitor since it's not a true 1080p machine. Wait.

 

[Tyraniboah]

I don't see the problem with checkerboard rendering and I doubt the masses can tell the difference. Of course the One X is more powerful, but you can't play Nioh, Nier, or any of the other third party titles that had no business skipping Xbox on it. I'll probably end up with a One X at some point but Sony is doing just fine with the Pro. The One X isn't "in a league of its own" as far as competition.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

How are the S and Pro even being mentioned in the same sentence when the S isn't even more powerful than the OG PS4? 🤔

The only logic makes sense is that he hopes S can sell like Pro. Base PS4 is just different league

 

[trixx]

I'm feeling put off by the arrogance. Certainly someone on the Xbox team must understand that it doesn't matter how powerful a system is if it lacks game support.

This is another 2013 level fiasco in my opinion.

They really dropped the ball on this, could've been a great event. The "most powerful console" isn't what's going to sell the consoles. it's the games and value proposition

I'm sure many would have been interested in this

 

[Mik2121]

Edit: Re-reading the interview, it's not that bad really. Still silly to have this kind of comments, but oh well.

 

[Ricky_R]

I'm just gonna give Phil this one. They are having a hard time already trying to sell this thing for $499.

 

[mike4001_]

WHO CARES
Phil just focus on your console and stop debating about PS4 Pro.

Such a childish behaviour.

He was kind of asked about it in the interview

Eurogamer: Are you not worried about being $100 more expensive than the PS4 Pro?

Phil Spencer: I look at Pro as more of a competitor to S than I do to Xbox One X. This is a true 4K console. .....

 

[SJRB]

This is exactly why I don't like Spencer. Why even say something like this? The Verge knows he's talking nonsense, their readers know, he himself knows.

There's no reason to say something stupid like this. I understand saying the PS4 Pro is a competitor navigates the Xbox X in a more unfavourable position considering its price point difference, but come on now.

 

[oti]

That's a really odd statement.

 

[Larogue]

 

[Nipo]

Easy way to make it the "best selling 4k* console" every month.

 

[AtkO]

In Phil's defense, he was responding to the question of why the One X is $100 more than a PS4 Pro.

Yea, the way the question was asked forced his hand on the answer... you can't expect Phil to say something along the lines "well, it's more or less the same, just a bit better"... come on people.

He knows (or so I hope) that 40% power over the PS4 doesn't justify a new category as he says, because the PS4 Pro is 3 times more powerful than the X1S and if you were to make a scale, the PS4 is definitely a direct competitor to X1X than the X1S.

All in all, Phil couldn't answer anything other than that, because the question itself wasn't really fair.

 

[travisbickle]

Umm...

S - $249.99
Pro - $399.99

$150 Difference

Pro - $399.99
X1X - $499.99

$100 Difference

So how are S and Pro closer priced?

I'm pretty sure that's a time-limited price drop.

 

[jmaine_ph]

The only logic makes sense is that he hopes S can sell like Pro. Base PS4 is just different league

When you put it like that...it all makes sense lol

 

[ps3ud0]

Interesting PR - I'm sure it will galvanise the type of people that are considering the XBOX. So for that alone Spencer's doing his job...

...but how far will it take them? Still think establishing a plethora of first party developers and games is the better long-term strategy as opposed to the more powerful console and rely on just the best multiplatform (console) experiences.

ps3ud0 8)

 

[jet1911]

So all the 4k multiplatform titles that MS showed at their conference will also be in 4k on the Pro?

 

[azertydu91]

Can you guys imagine Sony sayong the Xbox One isn't our direct competitor I mean 40% more Gpu power ,more RAM available and the speed of the storage as well as transfer speed and GDDR5?

That is just console war fuel and it is stupid.

 

[Cornbread78]

Oh, how cute...

Phil, your trying to hard, sell it for what it is; the most power console available. We are all witnesses of it's power now.