Pretty sure we've gotten games confirmed not native 4k already. See:
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The Verge w/ Phil Spencer: "PS4 Pro is a Xbox One S competitor, not true 4K system."
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Pretty sure we've gotten games confirmed not native 4k already. See:
LelouchZero
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I don't agree at all, I believe the PS4 Slim and Xbox One S are competitors, not the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro, especially when you look at their pricing.
The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are the real competitors, especially when you look at their pricing and what they offer for gamers.
4K Gaming is possible on both systems, with the Xbox One X offering more powerful hardware making it better equipped to take on 4K Gaming should this be what the developers aim to pursue.
Ultimately it's up-to the developers, as there may still be sacrifices in the resolution to push higher frame-rates or improved graphical fidelity. It will be interesting to see how things fare in the future for both systems in a variety of games.
The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are the real competitors, especially when you look at their pricing and what they offer for gamers.
4K Gaming is possible on both systems, with the Xbox One X offering more powerful hardware making it better equipped to take on 4K Gaming should this be what the developers aim to pursue.
Ultimately it's up-to the developers, as there may still be sacrifices in the resolution to push higher frame-rates or improved graphical fidelity. It will be interesting to see how things fare in the future for both systems in a variety of games.
MisterR
Member
What a shock that Phil is full of shit on yet another subject. If his mouth is moving, you can pretty much assume he's lying.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Lol but he doesn't like console wars right
It is stronger than the PS4Pro GPU wise, yeah. And a tad stronger CPU wise. I'm wondering what games will be optimised for the X if they can't sell enough of them. The X1X won't magically make all games 4k/60fps....
Imo 4k is still a niche market, give it two more years (next-gen).
Imo 4k is still a niche market, give it two more years (next-gen).
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
I fear people take these type of interviews too seriously.
The difference is, the PS5 will play the cool new games. Xbox One X just plays the same games as the system for half the price. People are way more open to an upgrade of the console is a true generational leap forward.
Price wasn't a factor in 900p to 1080p.
Diminishing returns? Funny, I've heard that before... Oh yeah, it was when people were talking about 900p to 1080p
Yeah. I was fairly early HD and my set is 11 years old and not dead. Give it a few years and I'm sure my upgrading hand will be forced. Also 4k gaming tech will finally be slightly more mass market then too.
My graphics card is the price of an XB1X alone and isn't considered a 4k card.
That also go for people being fine with the $249 & $349 consoles now .
The X is closer to the PS4 Pro than the original Xbox One is to the PS4 percentagewise.
What about total RAM?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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The X is closer to the PS4 Pro than the Xbox One is to the PS4 percentagewise.
Man, Phil is sounding like he's worried. Why you acting desperate, Phil. Your recent interviews are weird and whiny. Let the fanboys whine for you from each end, and stay humble.
Have you seen a quote from him saying something like that? In the interview itself he says that he believes S will move much more units than X.
People are buying 4K sets now and there is a shortage of content to use with it, that's where a 4K console becomes of interest.
Alternatively gaming and tech enthusiasts want the newest and shiniest and want a good reason to upgrade their television.
Regardless of whether we talk about 4K or supersampling, users are getting a sharper cleaner image than they will on their old console or any other console available.
MetalliCabombination
Member
Considering s is competing with pro, which is 1/5 of ps4, just how badly is he expecting the X to tank at launch?
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Go home Phil, you're drunk.
The guy is so full of shit. What happened to staying humble and not liking console wars?
The guy is so full of shit. What happened to staying humble and not liking console wars?
Of course it will; it's far cheaper. He is stating the obvious.
1080p in not 4 times the resolution of 900p though. 4k is 4k.
In what way S is competing with PRO sales wise?
Salty Rice
Member
Sure Phil and the OG PS4 was a competitor to the 360.
7DollarHagane
Banned
It's clear that the pro and x are in the same tier, Ms has tried to differentiate it, but all that has really resulted in is a $100 price difference.
Omnistalgic
Member
I'm certainly content not touching Xbox anything this entire gen, doesn't appeal to me. I say that to try and show how biased my perspective is towards Sony and Nintendo. But this is just reaching with the quote.
He was just replying to why it's higher than Pro, everything always has to become negative I guess though. Controversial...lol
He was just replying to why it's higher than Pro, everything always has to become negative I guess though. Controversial...lol
interfreak
Member
The PS4 Pro competes with the S on price, but that's it. In every measurable way the PS4 Pro is the far superior console, and unless you need a 4K Bluray player - the best value as well.
The PS4 Pro competes with the X in every other way. PS4 Pro has the price advantage, XB1X has the horsepower advantage.
I would consider myself a 'target buyer' for the XB1X.
I had a 360 from 2007 (an OG Xbox before that), was heavily invested in XBL, all my gaming friends were on that system and everything was honkey dory. Then the XB1 launch happened in 2013.
Confusion over game sharing, 24hr 'check ins' and TV TV TV
Worries over power disparities with PS4
Worries over price
Why is Kinect being forced down my throat
The PS4 launch was so slick, simple and focussed. It was all about games and sleek power.
Within a few months of backtracking/backflipping and blurred lines from MS, I was fed up with them. So were my friends. We all bought PS4s. They'd lost us.
So 3 years later with PS4, I was heavily invested in PS+, all my friends were on that system and everything was honkey dory. Then PS4 Pro was announced, shortly after PSVR. Sony promised improved graphics/framerates with Pro patched games, better performance and graphics for PSVR. Boost mode was icing on the cake.
I bought PS4 Pro and PSVR, without a single regret. Love them both.
But from the sidelines, MS wants to tempt me with the XB1X. The Empire is striking back.
I do feel genuine respect that MS really are firing with all guns blazing, but for me it's simply not enough. It's too late. I already have upgraded to the console I want, where my friends are and am having a great time. I've no need to return to an MS console, whether it be more powerful or not.
Maybe next gen.
The PS4 Pro competes with the X in every other way. PS4 Pro has the price advantage, XB1X has the horsepower advantage.
I would consider myself a 'target buyer' for the XB1X.
I had a 360 from 2007 (an OG Xbox before that), was heavily invested in XBL, all my gaming friends were on that system and everything was honkey dory. Then the XB1 launch happened in 2013.
Confusion over game sharing, 24hr 'check ins' and TV TV TV
Worries over power disparities with PS4
Worries over price
Why is Kinect being forced down my throat
The PS4 launch was so slick, simple and focussed. It was all about games and sleek power.
Within a few months of backtracking/backflipping and blurred lines from MS, I was fed up with them. So were my friends. We all bought PS4s. They'd lost us.
So 3 years later with PS4, I was heavily invested in PS+, all my friends were on that system and everything was honkey dory. Then PS4 Pro was announced, shortly after PSVR. Sony promised improved graphics/framerates with Pro patched games, better performance and graphics for PSVR. Boost mode was icing on the cake.
I bought PS4 Pro and PSVR, without a single regret. Love them both.
But from the sidelines, MS wants to tempt me with the XB1X. The Empire is striking back.
I do feel genuine respect that MS really are firing with all guns blazing, but for me it's simply not enough. It's too late. I already have upgraded to the console I want, where my friends are and am having a great time. I've no need to return to an MS console, whether it be more powerful or not.
Maybe next gen.
Phil is so out of touch and full of shit. But man does he make me smile each time he says something dumb or promises something we all know he'll never follow through on.
Nothing competes with the X, because there isn't any other platform that expensive and with so few reasons to exist.
Nothing competes with the X, because there isn't any other platform that expensive and with so few reasons to exist.
I think if someone is going to spend extra money on a 4k TV, and then buying a pro/X only to get better resolution, they do care about that difference in image quality.
In my case, I dont (I play on PC with a 1060 on 1080p and always pick settings to priorize 60 FPS) but I assume that should be the case with people buying 4K TVs.
If this is confirmed and the new games dont get 4k resolution then yeah the marketing for the console is wrong.
The Greek Freak
Member
I cared about how much improvement 1080p games would have, even though I have a 4k tv if the scorpio basically meant every game run at 1080 would be 60fps I would've been tempted but that doesn't seem to be the case.
technically he's not wrong
Technically, the One S can't even compete with the standard PS4. Did Microsoft just unlock some secret sauce?
MetalliCabombination
Member
I dunno ask the dumbass who's trying to make it look that way.
Or is this some next level spin where pro competes in whatever suits the argument?
JetBlackPanda
Member
Someone ask him about the switch.
StereoVsn
Member
One big issue that MS has is the CPU quandary. It's barely any better then the one in the Pro, hence 30fps will still be the standard. When PS5 comes out probably in 2019, the GPU jump will be similar to X vs Pro but CPU wise it will absolutely overwhelm X. It will really start a new gen and MS will most likely be a year late to that party.
IMO, they should have either waited till next year for custom CPUs or launched Xbone Pro at same time as Sony. It's just not likely to make much difference in the overall sales. We shall see and I do hope MS sales climb up to get some fire under Sony going.
IMO, they should have either waited till next year for custom CPUs or launched Xbone Pro at same time as Sony. It's just not likely to make much difference in the overall sales. We shall see and I do hope MS sales climb up to get some fire under Sony going.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Odd comment to make, must be talking about the price. Nothing new here though, xyz company gonna PR.
AyraSutoraifu
Member
The X is closer to the PS4 Pro than the original Xbox One is to the PS4 percentagewise.
Someone tweet this to Phil
irrotational
Member
Random rhetorical question that will be ignored...but why do so many people read one thread title...have an immediate emotional reaction...and then post a badly thought out one-liner along the lines of "Gah! Drunk!", "Gah! Liar!" etc.
Are they doing it to make themselves feel better? or because they think they've seen some hidden truth and no-one else has so they need to tell the world? or some other reason...
This behaviour exists in every internet forum on pretty much every topic....there must be some deep-rooted driver of it.
Are they doing it to make themselves feel better? or because they think they've seen some hidden truth and no-one else has so they need to tell the world? or some other reason...
This behaviour exists in every internet forum on pretty much every topic....there must be some deep-rooted driver of it.
almostjuliuscaesar
Member
Except until they can show people how it's better than a pro without mentioning specs, they'll be compared as 4K consoles. Especially with GTS & Forza 7 both launching this fall at 4K60. If Forza doesn't blow it out of the water (judging by the trailers, it doesn't) then how do they explain it to people? Not to mention BF2 & CoD possibly the biggest commercial games of the year. The XBOX versions will have to be leaps & bounds over the Pro version for what they're saying.
Duxxy3
Member
This part bothers me a bit. $499, to me, is the price of a next generation high end console.
They can get away with that because there will be exclusives for that next gen console that fully utilize the power of the system. The XB1X will ALWAYS be stuck with XB1 games. By design. At most the system will get patches for certain games. But a true next gen PS5 that doesn't have the anchor of previous generation game compatibility will have an advantage. First and second party games will actually utilize the new hardware, rather than having to compromise to make it work on two and a half generations of hardware (i'm tossing in the pro as a half generation).
f@luS
More than a member.
And yet most impressive games were on ps4(pro). Get some good developers phil ...
I'm day one for Xbox X I love tech. But I don't think anybody will see much differences.
1st party PS4 will be better looking as devs are better.
3rd party will be 1800-2160 cb vs native 4k
I honestly don't see any difference.
Wipeout looks the same. Games like Titanfall or horizon are crystal clear and looks native. 99,9% of people won't see anything. And I'm playing on a 65" oled very close from the tv.
I'm day one for Xbox X I love tech. But I don't think anybody will see much differences.
1st party PS4 will be better looking as devs are better.
3rd party will be 1800-2160 cb vs native 4k
I honestly don't see any difference.
Wipeout looks the same. Games like Titanfall or horizon are crystal clear and looks native. 99,9% of people won't see anything. And I'm playing on a 65" oled very close from the tv.
almostjuliuscaesar
Member
This is what I was saying in another thread. The PS5 will have games that don't run on PS4 hardware. & MS will have the XBOX to compete with that & have to allow games that don't have to run on XB1/S hardware. But the power difference between those two may be even higher than between XBOX & Pro. At $500 to launch there's no way they can shelve this in 2ish years to release another updated console.
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