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WWDC 2017 |OT| iOS 11, macOS 10.13, watchOS 4 & tvOS 11

I grabbed the Logitech slim keyboard case. Will give my impressions on Tuesday when I get the iPad itself

Apple makes high quality leather stuff as well, got one of those too in case I don't like what Logitech brings

The Slim Combo keyboard case that's $129.99? That's the one I've been eyeing over the official Apple Smart Keyboard.
 

Juice

Member
I picked up the 10.5 Smart Keyboard and it feels like a perfect mix of the two prior ones. The 12 keyboard was big but mushy, the 9.7 was cramped but had better key travel. The 10.5 I can type quickly on and has more satisfying travel than the 12

Most importantly it weighs less than half the Logitech option and can be ripped off quickly. Not interested in turning a 1 pound computer into a 2.5 pound computer.
 
I picked up the 10.5 Smart Keyboard and it feels like a perfect mix of the two prior ones. The 12 keyboard was big but mushy, the 9.7 was cramped but had better key travel. The 10.5 I can type quickly on and has more satisfying travel than the 12

Most importantly it weighs less than half the Logitech option and can be ripped off quickly. Not interested in turning a 1 pound computer into a 2.5 pound computer.

Are the keys backlit in the Apple one? The weight is one reason I'm still considering the official Apple one. I like the Logitech because it has a holder for the pencil, and the kickstand seems to give more options for ways to stand the Pro than the Apple Smart Keyboard does. I like the Apple one because it's thinner and lighter. Decisions decisions.
 

arab

Member
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now
 

inner-G

Banned
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now
F yeah. They put you through some hassle but that's worth it.
 

gamma

Member
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now

Jesus what a ride. I'd be grinning for days if that happened to me. Customer service is one of the reasons I buy Apple and more importantly directly from Apple instead of 3rd parties.
 

jts

...hate me...
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now
What a hustle. I don't even think your 2009 13" had a dGPU, IIRC it was a 9400m, which was a Nividia GPU, but just onboard with shared memory nonetheless. Just before the i line of CPUs when Intel forced the switch to Intel onboard graphics and controllers, Apple used Nvidia, but we're still talking about onboard graphics, not dedicated, as only sizes 15" and up got dedicated GPUs. I pretty sure every option presented to you would cream the 9400m.

Still, I respect the player. The stakes were high but you raised them and won. I secretly hate you though.
 

jwick

Unconfirmed Member
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now


Ridiculous. Grats -- Apple customer service can be amazing at times.
 

gamma

Member
What a hustle. I don't even think your 2009 13" had a dGPU, IIRC it was a 9400m, which was a Nividia GPU, but just onboard with shared memory nonetheless. Just before the i line of CPUs when Intel forced the switch to Intel onboard graphics and controllers, Apple used Nvidia, but we're still talking about onboard graphics, not dedicated, as only sizes 15" and up got dedicated GPUs. I pretty sure every option presented to you would cream the 9400m.

Still, I respect the player. The stakes were high but you raised them and won. I secretly hate you though.

He means the used 2012 he was trying to get serviced had a dGPU.
 

Vashetti

Banned
Can we expect beta updates today/this week?

After extensive time with High Sierra I've encountered several bugs I'd like quashed asap.
 

arab

Member
What a hustle. I don't even think your 2009 13" had a dGPU, IIRC it was a 9400m, which was a Nividia GPU, but just onboard with shared memory nonetheless. Just before the i line of CPUs when Intel forced the switch to Intel onboard graphics and controllers, Apple used Nvidia, but we're still talking about onboard graphics, not dedicated, as only sizes 15" and up got dedicated GPUs. I pretty sure every option presented to you would cream the 9400m.

Still, I respect the player. The stakes were high but you raised them and won. I secretly hate you though.

the 2012 model I bought had a dedicated gpu. Nvidia 650m
 

arab

Member
damm, i no reed good?

Sorry :(

*rushes to ebay for faulty MBPs with dGPUs*

i think it's the 2012 model specifically. you may not get as lucky as i did. anyway my only complaint is that i got silver instead of space grey but it's the best complaint to have. i'm downloading overwatch right now. i could run it at low with 60 fps at ~720 on my 2012 model. i'm sure this is gonna blow my old model out of the water
 
Maybe they really should just deck out MacBooks with inhouse chips.

I think giving up Boot Camp would be a bad thing - not everyone uses it solely for gaming, so it's still got some utility on the MacBook (for people who need a specific Windows-only application for work, for example). I'm excited to see what the deal is with the supposed future portables that supposedly offload some low-power functions to the S1 chip inside the Touch Bar, though.
 

giga

Member
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Need it on iPhone and Macs pls.
 
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Need it on iPhone and Macs pls.

I think it's interesting how iOS is heavily bifurcating its top display features. iPhones have had 'Retina HD' viewing angles/contrast ratio since the iPhone 6 and it still hasn't come to the iPad; iPad has TrueTone, ProMotion, and antireflective coating, and that still hasn't come to the iPhone.

It took a while for screen lamination to come to the iPad too (until the iPad Air 2, right?) even though that started with the iPhone 5.

I'm very curious to see if and when this stuff gets standardized across all iOS product lines. I'd say the iPhone needs the iPad's display features more than the iPad needs those Retina HD pixels, but all of the above would be really nice.

And we haven't even gotten to OLED hitting the iPhone yet.

But yeah, the (very achievable at mass scale in the next few years) display holy grail here is framerates too high for human perception to make out individual frames, pixel density too high for human perception to make out individual pixels, and contrast/black levels good enough that you don't see the backlight (without throwing off the wide color/HDR/etc. depth and accuracy).

Man, if the iPhone 8 has a 120Hz OLED that beats the iPhone 7 display on all measures (that is to say, with no regressions on any metric) it's going to be fucking beautiful. And given that the A11 chip is supposedly getting a process node die shrink to 10nm (compared to the A10 Fusion's 16nm IIRC), that thing might see a good boost to battery life too. Come through, God Phone
 

arab

Member
so the drivers on bootcamp aren't the most up to date i'm assuming but inital impressions on OW on the 15 tbMBP with the radeon 555 are positive. i can run on epic and maxed out and get ~30-40 fps. with some tweaking, i'm sure the game can look great and get a solid 60
 
Oh, also 3D Touch/Taptic Engine in the iPad is almost certainly coming at some point and it'll be nice to have that standardized across the high end also. I feel like Peek and Pop would actually be really pleasant on the iPad.
 
I pre ordered the 10.5 at Best Buy. Got the Space Gray 256gig Wifi + LTE model. Going to pick this bad boy up tomorrow. I wont activate it on ATT just yet. Want to load my shit onto this before i do.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
so the drivers on bootcamp aren't the most up to date i'm assuming but inital impressions on OW on the 15 tbMBP with the radeon 555 are positive. i can run on epic and maxed out and get ~30-40 fps. with some tweaking, i'm sure the game can look great and get a solid 60

At native res? Surely you mean at 1080p, correct?
 

Guess Who

Banned
Speaking of gaming at sub-native resolutions, I've noticed the MBP's screen does a phenomenal job with scaling. 1920x1200 games definitely don't look as good as native res, but they look much sharper and crisper than you would expect from an upscale.
 
I feel like we're getting sufficiently close to a point of severely diminishing returns for display tech in the next couple of years (which is another way of saying it's currently improving by leaps and bounds these days and i'm delighted by that) that I have to wonder where the performance/quality bottlenecks will be in phones in the near future. Wireless data speeds can always get better and we're coming up on another generational leap there; I suppose something that's intriguing me more and more is the camera tech. Dual-lens smartphone camera stuff is currently in its infancy, and different phone manufacturers are doing very different things with it (this is what I find especially exciting - Apple's optical zoom/portrait mode stuff is very cool, but competitors are going with things like a monochrome sensor to drastically improve low-light performance, and that's ALSO drastically improving photo quality). Part of me kind of wants to see a ridiculous level of escalation in this regard; bring on the quad-lens smartphone future.
 
I feel like we're getting sufficiently close to a point of severely diminishing returns for display tech in the next couple of years (which is another way of saying it's currently improving by leaps and bounds these days and i'm delighted by that) that I have to wonder where the performance/quality bottlenecks will be in phones in the near future. Wireless data speeds can always get better and we're coming up on another generational leap there; I suppose something that's intriguing me more and more is the camera tech. Dual-lens smartphone camera stuff is currently in its infancy, and different phone manufacturers are doing very different things with it (this is what I find especially exciting - Apple's optical zoom/portrait mode stuff is very cool, but competitors are going with things like a monochrome sensor to drastically improve low-light performance, and that's ALSO drastically improving photo quality). Part of me kind of wants to see a ridiculous level of escalation in this regard; bring on the quad-lens smartphone future.

I’d say we hit sort of the peak of display tech when it filters across the entire line. When iPads/phones/macs all share a common base of 120Hz+/true tone/increased color gamut/HDR/3D Touch where applicable I’ll say we’ve “made it”
 
I'd say we hit sort of the peak of display tech when it filters across the entire line. When iPads/phones/macs all share a common base of 120Hz+/true tone/increased color gamut/HDR/3D Touch where applicable I'll say we've ”made it"

Yeah, of currently existing features I'd love to see 401ppi, 120Hz, true tone, wide color/HDR, 3D Touch, antireflective coating, and Retina HD wide-viewing-angle pixels standardized across iOS; and then there's OLED coming too.

I think a number of these technologies would be significantly tougher to pull off on the Mac, though. They benefit from the much tighter integration between software and hardware that you see on iOS devices and/or they become increasingly difficult at larger screen sizes.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now

Hah, I had something similar happen to me. I bought a 24" iMac back in 2008 shortly after leaving college and really kitted the thing out. (I recently found a receipt and I realized I dropped $4,000 on the thing, which is just bonkers to think about--I would never do that now.) Well in 2010 the thing just up and died one day. Thankfully I had Applecare so I lugged it into the store to get it repaired. A few days later I get a call from the Apple Store and they tell me they can't get the parts to repair it so they'd like to go ahead and replace it. I'm like...sure, that'll work.

Thankfully for me the iMacs had just gotten refreshed the week prior so I managed to move from a 24" Core 2 Duo iMac to a 27" Intel i3 for free.

It likely wasn't a even swap as I went for the fancy graphics card and CPU upgrade in the 24" iMac, but I was more than happy to get a new iMac for practically nothing.
 
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Deleted member 22576

Unconfirmed Member
Drag and Drop on the phone is just screaming for a courier style holding area where you drag stuff to it and then maneuver to a new location and then pull it out.
 

hairygreenpeas

Neo Member
Just purchased the latest Macbook Pro 15" model a couple of days ago, and am excitedly awaiting its arrival this Thursday! I've worked with Apple computers before in high school for video production, but this is the first time I'm actually going to own one so I'm super stoked. I've always been a fan of the way their OS looks, which happens to be one of the primary reasons I decided to purchase a Macbook. Incredibly shallow, I know lol. My wallet ain't too happy right now, but it will hopefully all be worth it.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Just purchased the latest Macbook Pro 15" model a couple of days ago, and am excitedly awaiting its arrival this Thursday! I've worked with Apple computers before in high school for video production, but this is the first time I'm actually going to own one so I'm super stoked. I've always been a fan of the way their OS looks, which happens to be one of the primary reasons I decided to purchase a Macbook. Incredibly shallow, I know lol. My wallet ain't too happy right now, but it will hopefully all be worth it.

Not nearly as shallow as some people would try to make you think. Assuming you'll use it for both work and personal projects - you'll be staring at your computer's screen for several hours a day, 5+ days a week, for the next 2+ years. You may as well be staring at something you find aesthetically pleasing. More intuitive navigation and less frustrating intricacies can just be nice bonuses.

My 2017 15" just arrived this past Friday. Let me tell you - it's absolutely wonderful.

I went to the Apple Store to pick up a case today, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't seriously consider picking up the LG 5K to compliment my new toy. Honestly, the only reason I didn't is because I can't spend more on it today than they were selling it for earlier this year.
 

Yeah that got me hyped as well.

Its funny, I have to go to the Apple store tomorrow to pick up the smart cover because best buy wasnt getting any in for another week or two. And then head over to best buy to pick up the tablet. Best buy had a gift card offer so I was like "Why not?". So damn excited, I think this will be the machine I use on my way to work and at work because of the LTE chip.
 
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now
Amazing. And, you know that you were lucky in this and not trying to game a system or anything, which is why things worked out best for you. You are blessed. Enjoy it.
 
story time!

i had a 2009 13 MBP on its last legs. being in grad school, i was highly dependent on my laptop and was in the market for a used macbook. i ended up purchasing a 2012 15 rMBP with a service battery issue for 650. from here, i sold my 13 for 250. so overall, it was roughly 400 to upgrade to the 2012.

well, i went to get the battery fixed at the apple store. apparently, that model's battery was in short supply until september. apple offered me a replacement refurbished model of similar specs since the repair was going to take too long. i agreed and they said the turnaround would be 48 hours. i wait a week (last saturday) and they call to apologize about the long time. they offer me a 2015 15 rMBP. my old model had a dGPU and so i pushed to get a model with a dGPU since they promised similar specs. apple offered me the model with the amd 370x, much to my elation. the next day i go to the store and pick up the model only to find it's only got iris graphics. i call apple and they offered to replace it with a tbMBP with a dGPU but they have to charge me the difference. i'm fine with it since overall i'm still saving a ton of money.

lucky for me, the store was out of stock of models and WWDC was the next day. i wait a week again and apple has no call so i ring them up and they notify me that they are going to give me the newest model at no charge. i just picked up the 2017 15 tbMBP and i'm shocked at the quality of the customer service.

400 bucks to upgrade from a 2009 13 to a 2017 15? i clearly have used up all my luck just now


Not as good of a story but my old '07 MBP had the infamous pitting issue by the trackpad from hours of playing WoW + sweaty hands. 4 years in they swapped both fans and replaced the keypad + top plate. You pay a lot for apple hardware but they support you well.
 
Well I'm about to find out in a few hours just how easy or hard it's going to be to walk into an Apple Store and grab a new iPad today.

Edit: I guess the answer is easy. They are available to order for store pick up right now so 256 gb 10.5", Logitech Slim Combo, and Apple Pencil ordered!
 
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