WordsintheWater
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Yeah this right here.
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Bachelor production shut down after crew films sexual assault
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Yeah this right here.
ChubbyHuggs
Member
So the filming crew didn't interfere at all? wtf.
Isn't she on another bachelor show?
Isn't she on another bachelor show?
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
There's something odd about how the OP states intercourse happened and only lasted a few minutes. Like almost trying to make fun of the guy for not lasting that long?
Either way, despicable events.
Either way, despicable events.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
*bangs head against wall*
Alcotholic
Banned
Uhhhhh. And no one did anything about that?
That's a really disturbing depiction.
That's a really disturbing depiction.
SwipeLeftHoney
Banned
how can she shove her crotch in his face if she's gone limp???
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
This is so weird.
Like if theres a case they need to watch the damn tapes.
Cuz multiple outlets have "sources" that claim the guy was too drunk to even get a hard-on adn that the chick shoved her nethers in his face.
uncelestial
Member
There's an interesting line of thought in your post when you say things like having sex while blackout drunk is "a monumentally stupid" thing to do. I mean, of course it is, but I'm not sure you could convince a blackout drunk person of that even if you sat them down and soberly stared them in the face, explaining it. Even if you had this in mind and agreed with it and are a smart, self-possessed person, being blackout drunk negates all that. When it comes to sexual encounters, being blackout drunk actually does raise questions about being personally accountable, which is why consent laws have "able to give consent" clauses in the first place. I agree with the sentiment and that it's devastating regardless, but it's probably also devastating to be someone who was blackout drunk and is accused of being sexually inappropriate and has no memory of it, and who would normally never do such a thing. I guess I'm stumbling into a "doesn't this cut both ways?" argument which I can probably educate myself on elsewhere, but yeah.
Have you ever been blacked out? It's pretty scary the next day. "Setting yourself up to be a rapist" just seems strong, if you actually know what being blacked out means.
So if two people are drunk and have sex, they are raping one another? I'm going to need you to elaborate on this.
Hari Seldon
Member
This situation is exactly analogous to a porno studio getting two random people high as fuck and filming them have sex. It is not the fault of either of the people, it is the studio for engineering a possibly illegal scenario.
SwipeLeftHoney
Banned
There are so many cameras on set for this show. I'm sure they have plenty of angles and tons of audio of the entire incident. Too many people jumping to conclusions of something they have very little detail about.
AtomskEater
Member
Will this ever reach a court if both parties are apparently ok with each other? At the very least I want some punishment against the production staff who were basically like "ok let's just see where this goes..."
Sarcastic Poster
Member
Yeah I'm just going by the one saying she was falling in the water etc. Seems there's some conflicting reports anyway.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Its a pretty clear statement on how grossly voyeuristic reality TV is. With all the cute flourishes added in post, makes you wonder how many people over the years have been exploited this badly.
Netherscourge
Banned
How is this legal anyway?
If the show producers/crew are filming live sex, wouldn't they need a pornography permit for that?
Wouldn't each of these people have to sign documents consenting to having sex in front of a camera? Did either of them consent to that before hand? If not, then isn't it the show's responsibility not to record it and to remind everyone their contracts will be terminated if they don't stop?
I have a feeling the only people who might actually go to jail are the crew members who videotaped it and witnessed it without taking any action to stop it.
If the show producers/crew are filming live sex, wouldn't they need a pornography permit for that?
Wouldn't each of these people have to sign documents consenting to having sex in front of a camera? Did either of them consent to that before hand? If not, then isn't it the show's responsibility not to record it and to remind everyone their contracts will be terminated if they don't stop?
I have a feeling the only people who might actually go to jail are the crew members who videotaped it and witnessed it without taking any action to stop it.
Fucking disgusting. My girlfriend watch es the show and said a while ago the show was suspended because of 'misconduct' and she said the whole show was misconduct so who cares. My mind immediately jumped to the fact that a rape had to have occurred and look at this.
Fucking hate all these shows the edge so close to essentially soft core porn.
You really think that they don't already sign consent forms to be filmed? The show would have been sued a million times over. Also, more concerned about a film crew filming instead of the actual act of serially assaulting someone? Yeesh
Fucking hate all these shows the edge so close to essentially soft core porn.
You really think that they don't already sign consent forms to be filmed? The show would have been sued a million times over. Also, more concerned about a film crew filming instead of the actual act of serially assaulting someone? Yeesh
Netherscourge
Banned
How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
I already stated earlier that the guy committed rape and the film crew are accessories to rape.
Am I not allowed to inquire about the whole legality of the show production in the first place? You make it sound like I'm trying to trivialize the crime that was committed.
Clockwork
Member
Did he? Are they?
biggersmaller
Banned
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why she is on good speaking terms with the dude yet angry with the show. It is fucked up that the crew did nothing given the warnings and filmed what to everyone watching was a rape - but how bad is drunken non-consensual sex if neither of the two people involved really have a problem with the other persons actions after?
thehypocrite
Member
What a shitshow.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Welcome to NeoGAF.
So since both were completely loaded apparently and supposedly she was intiating it and he acted on it to the point where she supposedly went limp. Which of the two are consenting here.
She was too drunk to consent? Apparently so was he.
Both parties seemingly engaged in sexual acts.
So if there is a rape here who is to blame?
NOTE: Obviously if he was doing it while she was unconscious its clear cut. But if there is use of too drunk cant consent then since they were both completely trashed whats the siding here.
It doesnt make sense that he wants to release s tape of him doing this shit to an unconscious person.
She was too drunk to consent? Apparently so was he.
Both parties seemingly engaged in sexual acts.
So if there is a rape here who is to blame?
NOTE: Obviously if he was doing it while she was unconscious its clear cut. But if there is use of too drunk cant consent then since they were both completely trashed whats the siding here.
It doesnt make sense that he wants to release s tape of him doing this shit to an unconscious person.
I mean, I have drank pretty heavily over the course of my life, and I never understood blackout drunk until it happened one time. At Blizzcon like 5 years ago I was drinking literally all day at a guild's house they rented, I remember that, then the next morning I woke up in another friend's hotel room on the floor. It was over a mile away. I walked (with help) that mile, made it to the 10th floor of the hilton, partied more in that room (fell in the tub and yelled to be helped out apparently), and then passed out in the kitchen with pizza and beer on my face and lots of pictures of it all.
It absolutely happens. Hasn't happened before or since, but now I know.
I think a lot of people probably think of blackout drunk as 'oh I'm a little fuzzy and my memory is harder to pull up', but "Hey, I just lost 5-6 hours of my life into the void" absolutely happens.
There are different levels of drunk, and different people will reach those points at different times. I can be drunk and know what I'm doing, but "Hey they look passed out, or completely incoherent" is long past that point. The fact that he's still physically able to act on what is going on and she seemingly wasnt, is a clear signal that she's no longer consenting. Period. Like, you can't even say 'he can't consent either' - he's the one fucking doing it if she's literally unable to do anything.
Inferno313
Banned
Hmm? Whatcha laughin' about?
Seems like a hilarious thing to say given her role on the show:
Plot[edit]
As the show is designed, the series revolves around a single bachelor (deemed eligible) who starts with a pool of romantic interests (typically 25) from whom the bachelor is expected to select a wife. During the course of the season, the bachelor eliminates candidates (see The elimination process), with the bachelor proposing marriage to his final selection. The participants travel to romantic and exotic locations for their adventures, and the conflicts in the series, both internal and external, stem from the elimination-style format of the show.
my guess is either
1. It's Corinne. 'she wouldn't have done that?' Really?
or
2. She was on Bachelor in Paradise but in a relationship. Yeah have ya seen the show?
Messofanego
Banned
God Bless America's quote on reality TV is consistently relevant:
"It's the same type of freak-show distraction that comes along every time a mighty empire starts collapsing. It is the new colosseum and I won't participate in watching a show where the weak are torn apart every week for our entertainment."
"It's the same type of freak-show distraction that comes along every time a mighty empire starts collapsing. It is the new colosseum and I won't participate in watching a show where the weak are torn apart every week for our entertainment."
I know if you read what I wrote I said this. What I meant is if that part isnt true regarding the passing out which some sources are saying then where does that leave it. If she is physically able to shove her genitals in his face and he is physically able to perform oral but both are clearly in a state of drunkeness who do you blame here?
Diprosalic
Banned
it's bachelor in paradise not the bachelor.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
Both parties should sue the hell out of the network.
Yeah but shouldn't matter in this situation.
Sunster
Member
Cool but we are talking about this situation. Let's not start on discrediting the potential victim.
Bachelor in Paradise is kind of a different thing, you don't really have to "get with" anyone. Some people just go on and hang out with their Bachelor-friends.
I have no idea about this women's case, but I have been told that in the past from people who were sober that when I have blacked out drunk that I appeared to be quite normal, or in any case don't look like a "fall on my face" drunk.
I know that when people are told that they "blacked out" they have an image in their head of someone falling around and slurring their words, but in some cases they can look no different than "normal" drunk (whatever that means). So in some cases it can be very difficult to differentiate between the two cases (blacked out vs. just drunk). If however, we argue that no one that is drunk can consent, than again we're entering a minefield. How drunk is too drunk ?
If a female has a beer is that too much ? (is 2 too much ?). Again, while in some cases it's obvious that someone is too drunk to give consent (and in that cases it's rape), in others it may be difficult to diagnose (I use the word diagnose on purpose, since that's what some people are asking the other person to do. Diagnosing whether someone is too drunk to give consent).
This is of course ignoring the additional issue of when both black out. In those cases, should both go to jail for rape ?
I don't have an answer to these questions, and please do not think that I am victim blaming (I don't want to banned again), but when alcohol is involved all these issues become very unclear.
I know that when people are told that they "blacked out" they have an image in their head of someone falling around and slurring their words, but in some cases they can look no different than "normal" drunk (whatever that means). So in some cases it can be very difficult to differentiate between the two cases (blacked out vs. just drunk). If however, we argue that no one that is drunk can consent, than again we're entering a minefield. How drunk is too drunk ?
If a female has a beer is that too much ? (is 2 too much ?). Again, while in some cases it's obvious that someone is too drunk to give consent (and in that cases it's rape), in others it may be difficult to diagnose (I use the word diagnose on purpose, since that's what some people are asking the other person to do. Diagnosing whether someone is too drunk to give consent).
This is of course ignoring the additional issue of when both black out. In those cases, should both go to jail for rape ?
I don't have an answer to these questions, and please do not think that I am victim blaming (I don't want to banned again), but when alcohol is involved all these issues become very unclear.
The Faceless Master
Member
can the production crew be charged with raping them both?
Sunster
Member
maybe reckless endangerment or something idk
boiled goose
good with gravy
So she's basically passed out on the fucking floor and he puts his dick in her mouth.
And this was filmed. And multiple people didn't stop it.
What. the. fuck.
And this was filmed. And multiple people didn't stop it.
What. the. fuck.
boiled goose
good with gravy
It's actually not that difficult.
If someone is going limp.
If someone cant speak coherently.
If someone needs to be dragged.
If someone cant stand
It's obvious they cant properly consent
Not sure? DONT FUCKING DO IT.
Do you think the situation in op is ambiguous??
You are missing my point entirely. I completely agree that in cases where someone displays those obvious signs, that it is rape. Nothing ambiguous, nothing difficult, it's rape. What I'm arguing is in the case when people can actually black out but still operate "normally" (they just look a bit drunk).
Edit: I'm also arguing that in the case where both black out. Should both be accused of rape ? (granted this a tangent, given that this is not the case here).
Also, I would like to note that according to DeMario this wasn't the case.
Big Baybee
Member
I understand still being able to somewhat consent to sex when you are drunk, I'm sure lots of people have. What's being described seems to be flat out rape.
perfectchaos007
Member
This is true. I don't remember anything from my NYE 2011 party, but there were pics and videos of me the next morning that people shared with me. I was acting fairly normal, just a little drunk. Later that night i puked my brains out though. I woke up not remembering anything but I made out with some girls apparently