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[bangbang i'm a timpani]

*I think overall the neutral in this game is going to suffer a lot and there will be a lot of scramble situations and "take this shit" type moments in the game. Like imagine someone activating Reality Surge, then doing a super and then tagging out doing double Reality procs... no one is blocking that shit ever. Even in neutral, there are hardly any "unsafe" moves anymore as you can just tag out.

Yea....I keep thinking this too. It reminds me of every match I had against guys with anchor Skrull. Just dive around and hope for shit. That dude who was really good with Firebrand won a lot of tourney games by just doing XF3 Dark Skrull dive spamming.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

After playing the story demo I like how the game looks, sounds and plays. I won't pretend I'm a Marvel veteran though.

But Chun Li looks kinda...yeah...

 

[Spinky]

The roster is awful (Black Panther being DLC physically pains me), the presentation is meh/bad, and I don't see how this game is gonna get anywhere with audiences unless they delay it and fix things up, but despite all that I'm still thinking I might (might) get it. The actual gameplay in the demo was fun to me and I dig Captain Marvel's playstyle, or what I could even get out of her considering the tiny bit they give you.

I played UMvC3 quite a bit, was always terrible though so I'm not gonna lie, a slightly more accessible version is cool with me... even if there's no assists for whatever reason.

I want this to be good, I want to just throw my money at Capcom but it's like they don't want it. I mean, DBF looks great and I'll be getting that too, but to be honest I'd much rather play a new MvC than another DBZ fighter, 3v3 and ASW or not.

It just bums me out because I wanna get into this, but I probably won't even be able to buy it without feeling 100% good about it, and on top of that it's probably gonna be the umpteenth modern Capcom fighter to flop.

 

[vg260]

Nova is like the only character who looks better with this art style. He really kinda pops, it doesn't hurt that his particle and beam effects are better than anyone else's atm.

Him and Thanos, but it seems mostly due to the engine being able to create a shiny metal look on surfaces that the color filters they seem to be using aren't affecting too much.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah metallic, armor type characters look great in this game.

Ultron, Thanos, Iron Man, Nova etc. look great.

Captain Marvel looks great too as do Strider, Thor, Dr Strange and Rocket.

It's the regular human looking characters that really struggle. Chun Li, Chris, Ryu, Dante, Captain America. I am guessing Capcom doesn't have their human face tech down pat yet.

 

[Karsticles]

Can you cancel specials into any of the stones?

I was watching Max's video, and the high recovery on Morrigan's Soul Fist combined with the fact that you can reflect her projectiles back at her made me wonder why the move exists at all. I'm trying to find some reason one might want to use it outside of tagging her out (lol).

 

[kunonabi]

Yeah metallic, armor type characters look great in this game.

Ultron, Thanos, Iron Man, Nova etc. look great.

Captain Marvel looks great too as do Strider, Thor, Dr Strange and Rocket.

It's the regular human looking characters that really struggle. Chun Li, Chris, Ryu, Dante, Captain America. I am guessing Capcom doesn't have their human face tech down pat yet.

Captain Marvel's upper body has a little of that Netherrealms upperbody female awkwardness but yeah she still looks really good for the most part and better than her current comic depictions.

 

[Dahbomb]

Can you cancel specials into any of the stones?

I was watching Max's video, and the high recovery on Morrigan's Soul Fist combined with the fact that you can reflect her projectiles back at her made me wonder why the move exists at all. I'm trying to find some reason one might want to use it outside of tagging her out (lol).

I think stones are considered as special moves and the surge ability are hyper priority (only they can be used in block stun as well). So stones can cancel out of normal attacks but not specials.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm kinda sad that they didn't use Richard Rider's new design in the comics as the default.

Maybe it could be an alternate costume, but I feel like Marvel would want Sam Alexander to be Richie's alt (like in UMvC3).

 

[direct_quote]

Captain Marvel's upper body has a little of that Netherrealms upperbody female awkwardness but yeah she still looks really good for the most part and better than her current comic depictions.

Yah her face looks good too, but Chun li is wtf status at this point.. like I feel Capcom outsourced to different artists and the Chun li one fucked up bad..

 

[Risero]

I know I'm being the odd one out but I don't get the obscene amount of hate over Chun Li's face. I guess it's because I watch anime the big eyes don't bother me?

 

[Dahbomb]

I'm kinda sad that they didn't use Richard Rider's new design in the comics as the default.

Maybe it could be an alternate costume, but I feel like Marvel would want Sam Alexander to be Richie's alt (like in UMvC3).

They didn't because the current one looks godlike. Can't improve upon perfection especially as Capcom.

 

[Risero]

Yah her face looks good too, but Chun li is wtf status at this point.. like I feel Capcom outsourced to different artists and the Chun li one fucked up bad..

I would say Dante is the one that's fucked up real bad

 

[Phase 3]

good gameplay in a high profile fighting game is expected at this point and isn't enough to make people intrinsically give a shit about your game. mvci has good gameplay? big deal, so does tekken 7 and that game doesn't look like a mess.

I really can't agree with this. Expected? I mean, we all hope new fighters will be good but I don't think the FGC ever just assumes or expects something to be quality given the amount of times we've been burned these past few years. How many high profile games have been released these past few years that have been absolute garbage? Who out there, except maybe the anime community because they're mad consistent, really expects things to be great at launch?

Almost all NRS games, competitively, have been broken and absurdly stupid, especially at launch. Profit-wise, they're as high profile as it gets, and everyone expects almost nothing there. Nobody expects good stuff here.

SFxT had a debacle at launch, causing people to not necessarily expect the best. This has tempered expectations in the FGC.

SFV speaks for itself, but even before it's terrible launch there were a lot of people very hesitant to buy into the new system changes. But especially post launch, this has tempered expectations in the FGC.

Even Smash, every iteration, has the same concerns. Will there be combos? Will there be a neutral? Will there be good frame data? Will this game be ass?

This isn't even mentioning a lot of the issues people had with iterations of other fighters (Soul Calibur, Pokken, etc.). We are SO skeptical as a communtiy, and look no further than everyone's initial expectations of Marvel Infinite.

The 2v2 announcement, the auto combos, the control system, the dragonpunch rumor, the gems and more. All of it, in the initial announcement, even on GAF, had people running around like the sky was falling.

So now we hear that it IS Marvel, it IS hype, the gameplay IS good and all the grimy shit is there... so... now we switch gears and complain about Chun's face instead? Given how bleak the prognosis was when people first learned about this game, you'd think people would be overjoyed to hear all these wild fears seem to be a nonissue.

 

[Neoxon]

They didn't because the current one looks godlike. Can't improve upon perfection especially as Capcom.

No argument there, but it just would have been a nice change of pace. That being said, Richard was demoted to Centurion (rather than Nova Prime, which was his previous rank as the head Nova) in that run of Nova for a reason that's explained in issue 7, as shown by the missing two spikes on the red starburst on Richard's helmet in the new comic compared to his Annihilation/UMvC3/MvCI design. Maybe Marvel wanted to keep Richard as Nova Prime for the story.

 

[IntelliHeath]

The only thing I really dislike in this game is the terrible roster.

What if we are getting more characters than people previously thought? Unless you meant lack of X-Men and F4?

 

[Supast4r]

Max is never going to escape shill accusations after his SFxT behavior. It sucks for everyone else that is legitimately enjoying the game though.

Behavior? He said that SFxTK sucked and he was basically forced to play it because he worked for capcom on that show that had a sexual harassment case happen. That game was destroyed by factors outside of the game (on disc dlc 13 characters, the sexual assault case, time outs, etc) It was a shame for me because that game had some really good character designs.

 

[Supast4r]

I feel like the developers of this game couldn't win even if the graphics were better and the community was more mature simply because the roster was at least partially out of their control. The Smash games get a ton of complaints about the roster before it's fully revealed, and from what I've seen as an outsider, it gets pretty hostile. What's happening to this game seems to be the first experience the Capcom FGC has had with most of their favorites being cut. You could try and say it's just the older folks upset that the X-Men are gone, but UMVC3 was only six years ago and far more accessible than any previous Vs. game port. There will always be stream monsters trying to rile things up and hate on things that won't really matter if the gameplay turns out fine, but the roster and graphics complaints aren't all from the community either. It's a shame since adding characters like X shows an interest in balancing the roster, but there's only so much that can be done when the second half of your game is covered with tons of legal red tape. There's a chance they can recover from all the blind hatred once the game is out and people learn it well enough to show it off at tournament, but it will be an uphill battle for sure. Releasing the demo they did is a mistake no matter how you slice it, though. Small changes like giving the drones more health or a tutorial would have helped decently if they weren't up for a limited versus mode demo. Injustice 2 tweaked the faces and made a good recovery, although that was before launch. How much can they really do in three months when the game is most likely final?

To be fair Smash had 40ish characters at launch and got the best dlc characters in the history of fighting games. Plus Sakurai puts a crazy amount of stuff in all of his games so they have the opposite problem that capcom is known for.

 

[Risero]

What if we are getting more characters than people previously thought? Unless you meant lack of X-Men and F4?

It's Capcpcom. I don't believe it for a second just because we saw Zero. If the game had a decent roster Spencer wouldn't be one of the first characters shown off in story mode

 

[Ryce]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

 

[Neoxon]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

Hmmmm, the plot thickens.

 

[Turbanator]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

Maybe DLC? We've seen this before with Frank West.

There's also the possibility that he's completely absent from the story mode, as this leak might specifically be of story assets.

 

[Rhaknar]

When would they realistically show off a new build with more characters? CEO is this weekend but if it is there, its the E3 one.

Anything happening between now and September?

edit: duh Evo lol >_<

 

[Neoxon]

When would they realistically show off a new build with more characters? CEO is this weekend but if it is there, its the E3 one.

Anything happening between now and September?

edit: duh Evo lol >_<

Don't forget SDCC & D23.

 

[IntelliHeath]

It's Capcpcom. I don't believe it for a second just because we saw Zero. If the game had a decent roster Spencer wouldn't be one of the first characters shown off in story mode

You're in right to not believe in the leak so I do too. I would rather to see them confirming the characters that aren't on Ryce's list first so I could believe the leak. It might be awhile until we see an evidence for that.

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

Good to know.

 

[kirblar]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

Yeah, it looks like we have incomplete information on both ends - finding a roster of 28/30/32 characters + 6 DLC when combining both lists still leads to a lot of weird hoops you have to jump through.

Only thing that pops out looking at the Capcom list is that Jedah really looks like a DLC candidate cause there's so few newbies on that side.

 

[Seyavesh]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

maybe magically the cast is fucking massive after all. that'd be tight

or maybe story mode only returning chars MK style. theres just so many capcommy filenaming quirks about that zip leak that it seems impossible to replicate that w/out insane attention to detail

also the defense forcing is goin hella hard here, haha

there is a fundamental misunderstanding in the "dudes are shitting on it just cuz" mindset and it's that folks would fucking love something that looks like it'd be good and this game is very much Not It and idk how many times that bears repeating bc its been said a billion times already

 

[DR2K]

The only thing I really dislike in this game is the terrible roster.

Which is 9/10ths what people want out of a cross over game. The roster is just movie shills and bad decisions. Then there's the regression of gameplay systems. On top of a competitor that took the essence of the series and pushed it forward. Top that with terrible regressive visuals and an out of touch company and you get the backlash you see here.

There's no hidden agenda, Capcom brought this upon themselves.

 

[ZeroCDR]

Very much looking forward to Ant-Man, like how small can he get here outside of hypers.. lol

 

[Turbanator]

Yeah, it looks like we have incomplete information on both ends - finding a roster of 28/30/32 characters + 6 DLC when combining both lists still leads to a lot of weird hoops you have to jump through.

Only thing that pops out looking at the Capcom list is that Jedah really looks like a DLC candidate cause there's so few newbies on that side.

If Capcom moved Jedah to DLC in reaction to the leaks I might actually cry.

 

[Speedydonut]

Don't forget SDCC & D23.

Evo and D23 are happening on the same weekend. I wonder if they'll be at both to reveal stuff.

 

[Rhaknar]

If Capcom moved Jedah to DLC in reaction to the leaks I might actually cry.

"moved" as if he was officially even revealed, let alone in the starting roster.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

Anyone knows who is Strider's VA in cutscenes? He sounds familiar.

 

[Lulubop]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

You can't see any characters that start with A in that img or am I wrong? Isn't Arthur not there too?

 

[Risero]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

Thank goodness I'm really hyper for him

 

[NoizyChild]

Anyone knows who is Strider's VA in cutscenes? He sounds familiar.

TJ Storm, his VA from the previous game.

Also the voice of SF5 Birdie and SFxT Marduk.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Hypothetically if both leaks were correct then we might have one more unknown capcom character. Unless it's Grandmaster Pluto/Meios being playable character.

 

[Risero]

You're in right to not believe in the leak so I do too. I would rather to see them confirming the characters that aren't on Ryce's list first so I could believe the leak. It might be awhile until we see an evidence for that.



Good to know.

No I definitely believe the file leak, but the "new" characters are 99% just story only/dlc

 

[oneida]

I really can't agree with this. Expected? I mean, we all hope new fighters will be good but I don't think the FGC ever just assumes or expects something to be quality given the amount of times we've been burned these past few years. How many high profile games have been released these past few years that have been absolute garbage? Who out there, except maybe the anime community because they're mad consistent, really expects things to be great at launch?

Almost all NRS games, competitively, have been broken and absurdly stupid, especially at launch. Profit-wise, they're as high profile as it gets, and everyone expects almost nothing there. Nobody expects good stuff here.

SFxT had a debacle at launch, causing people to not necessarily expect the best. This has tempered expectations in the FGC.

SFV speaks for itself, but even before it's terrible launch there were a lot of people very hesitant to buy into the new system changes. But especially post launch, this has tempered expectations in the FGC.

Even Smash, every iteration, has the same concerns. Will there be combos? Will there be a neutral? Will there be good frame data? Will this game be ass?

This isn't even mentioning a lot of the issues people had with iterations of other fighters (Soul Calibur, Pokken, etc.). We are SO skeptical as a communtiy, and look no further than everyone's initial expectations of Marvel Infinite.

The 2v2 announcement, the auto combos, the control system, the dragonpunch rumor, the gems and more. All of it, in the initial announcement, even on GAF, had people running around like the sky was falling.

So now we hear that it IS Marvel, it IS hype, the gameplay IS good and all the grimy shit is there... so... now we switch gears and complain about Chun's face instead? Given how bleak the prognosis was when people first learned about this game, you'd think people would be overjoyed to hear all these wild fears seem to be a nonissue.

re: NRS, you're conflating gameplay with balance, and that's a weird way to go about defending MvCI
re: Smash, "good frame data"??? do you mean accurate frame data? what does this have to do with gameplay?

re: the rest
Tekken 7
Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
Killer Instinct
King of Fighters XIV
Smash 4
BlazBlue CF

all have great gameplay.
what FGs don't have good gameplay?

 

[direct_quote]

re: NRS, you're conflating gameplay with balance, and that's a weird way to go about defending MvCI
re: Smash, "good frame data"??? do you mean accurate frame data? what does this have to do with gameplay?

re: the rest
Tekken 7
Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
Killer Instinct
King of Fighters XIV
Smash 4
BlazBlue CF

all have great gameplay.
what FGs don't have good gameplay?

I regret buying IJ2, gameplay wasn't for me and is very zone heavy. I got caught too much in the story hype like a sucker and regret buying it...

 

[Newniverse]

In all honesty... Most people will shutup as soon as they get the game in their hands. Most of this hatred is just bandwagon hate. Hell, most people who keeps comparing it to dbz are not even fans of marvel and probably have no interest in playing it anyway.

 

[crimzonflame]

Im most likely going to pickup the game, but I admit the memes from the last few days have been hilarious.

I dont really care the graphics if are not that good, but if Capcom is not willing to spend money polishing up the models, why didnt they just add a buttload of characters?

Game should have had a roster minimum of 60 characters and be broken as fuck. Thats my ideal Marvel.

 

[Neoxon]

Hypothetically if both leaks were correct then we might have one more unknown capcom character. Unless it's Grandmaster Pluto/Meios being playable character.

*crosses fingers for Phoenix Wright*

 

[Newniverse]

*crosses fingers for Phoenix Wright*

Fingers crossed for Ammy.... Seriously... All my characters are gone. (Ammy/Trish/Modok)

 

[christiankid7]

My source reiterated that Ant-Man is definitely in the game, so if that file leak is legit it might be incomplete.

What does your source think of the file leak itself?

 

[MrCarter]

This is like, the most potent example of toxic internet circlejerk culture. Not GAF obviously, just what I've witnessed on the internet these past couple weeks on other sites. Everyone wants to live in an echo-chamber on the internet and since complaining about stuff is the norm in the FGC, this is what we get...

Perfect post.

 

[Ryce]

What does your source think of the file leak itself?

He thinks it's plausible, but he only knows about the 27 characters that I revealed a few weeks ago.

 

[Lulubop]

He thinks it's plausible, but he only knows about the 27 characters that I revealed a few weeks ago.

So it's possible the roster is large than 28, minus DLC of course

 

[Newniverse]

He thinks it's plausible, but he only knows about the 27 characters that I revealed a few weeks ago.

Sorry, had to do it.

 

[Seyavesh]

In all honesty... Most people will shutup as soon as they get the game in their hands. Most of this hatred is just bandwagon hate. Hell, most people who keeps comparing it to dbz are not even fans of marvel and probably have no interest in playing it anyway.

nobody is allowed to have an opinion unless theyve placed top 8 at a regional

i didn't say major so i get to have one YEAH