UK is way above 1 million. UK has been over 5 million combined PS4+XBO for quite some time now.
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[Rumour] MS France: 36.2 Millions of Xbox One sold worldwide
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UK is way above 1 million. UK has been over 5 million combined PS4+XBO for quite some time now.
People looking at NPD, GFK, Media-Create, etc sellthrough or to claim these numbers are off are doing it wrong. There's a a significant amount of regions unaccounted for in those trackers plus the obvious difference between sold in and sold through. If you apply this logic to PS4 then you could just as easily claim their 60.4m figure not accurate. And the less said regarding fuzzy math based on PR spin ratios the better.
36.2m is higher than I would have expected for Xbox One but it's also not unrealistically outlandish for a global shipment figure.
36.2m is higher than I would have expected for Xbox One but it's also not unrealistically outlandish for a global shipment figure.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Is this the same Sony that brought us the Vita? That messed up the PS3 so badly?
Any company can suffer a downturn in fortunes, doesn't matter who it is.
Yearsoflurking
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sounds about right when you consider the entire world not just 3 regions. alroght numbers
hanspampel
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as of January 2016, yes
Bits N Pieces
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Seems to be pretty positive numbers for Xbox compared to where a lot of people thought they would be just a few years ago, really has been a remarkable turnaround for them and with the momentum that the X1 could garner along with a cheap S, they'll be in a healthier position at the end of this gen (there are no more gens).
Uno Venova
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If Microsoft doesn't release numbers where could this possibly come from?
Tyraniboah
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If these numbers are accurate then Microsoft is doing a lot better than we previously thought. Some people here seem awfully salty at the mere possibility that the Xbox brand is doing better than people think. I'll wait and see if we can get something more accurate though. That's about all we can do. Are we considering the fact that markets outside of Japan, Europe, and the United States might find the Xbox more appealing for whatever reason? Especially if the pricing is aggressive.
Perhaps the Microsoft brand is carrying their products worldwide though. In places where Sony is either too expensive or not present at all then that only helps Microsoft. Also, after 3 1/2 years if you're still going on about broken trust because of the Xbox One reveal then I don't know what to say to you. They've righted that ship. They still have a lot to do but we all need to let go of that DRM shit they tried to pull. It didn't​ work and they fixed it before the console even launched. Lastly, perhaps the issue with Microsoft's understanding of the market isn't what you think it is. Sony needs PlayStation to succeed more than Microsoft needs the Xbox One to. At one point, PlayStation was all that was meaningfully profitable in the company. Microsoft could shed Xbox right now and be fine, which ought to explain the thought process behind their decision making. You can feel whatever way you want about it, but it makes a bit more sense to me to look at their respective approaches with that context
Perhaps the Microsoft brand is carrying their products worldwide though. In places where Sony is either too expensive or not present at all then that only helps Microsoft. Also, after 3 1/2 years if you're still going on about broken trust because of the Xbox One reveal then I don't know what to say to you. They've righted that ship. They still have a lot to do but we all need to let go of that DRM shit they tried to pull. It didn't​ work and they fixed it before the console even launched. Lastly, perhaps the issue with Microsoft's understanding of the market isn't what you think it is. Sony needs PlayStation to succeed more than Microsoft needs the Xbox One to. At one point, PlayStation was all that was meaningfully profitable in the company. Microsoft could shed Xbox right now and be fine, which ought to explain the thought process behind their decision making. You can feel whatever way you want about it, but it makes a bit more sense to me to look at their respective approaches with that context
LordOcidax
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VGchar**?
Joking
Yeah, it can't be all shipped. Probably a combo of both.
Vroadstar
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Diprosalic
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lmao.
Apparently South America is a strong market for them, how many consoles sold due to that we don't know.
hanspampel
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they don't release numbers
but they have the numbers obviously
one would assume they're from MS, because of the specific numbers given and the reporting from MS France.
i never saw any of these specific numbers from a different source or on a different site
Majmun
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Sony is the biggest player when it comes to consoles. That's what saved the Ps3 eventually. Brandname + great support saved the Ps3.
They will never treat their home consoles like a handheld.
Primethius
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Ummmm. No. Because since the PS4 came out, it had a fairly consistent NA to WW ratio that applied and continues to apply (NA makes up 30-35% of PS4 sales). We've had a ratio for XB1 for a while, and for this number to be accurate sold-through, the console would be now under 50% share in NA, which would be a drastic turn around from it's previous share, about 60%.
And XB1 just isn't big in unaccounted regions. It's barely big in accounted for regions such as the EU. It's not the PS4 when it comes to smaller countries.
If you just saw their last Q revenue for Xbox you knew that they were doing really well.
Problem is people just look at the console sales stat to see if you are doing good or not.
LordOcidax
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Nobody is salty, that numbers just doesn't make any sense. Even Shipped are to high.
Ratios change. These figures look more legit than your napkin math, sorry.
We haven't had an Xbox One ratio since it's first FY anyway. At some point you just have to give up that sort of guesswork.
This. Not saying these numbers are accurate, buts it's hard to total 60 million PS4's from the info that we know. So clearly there's more numbers that we don't know out there
Dee Dah Dave
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Sure, and that is not the pre launch and launch period. Phil inherited a mess and has done a great job rebuilding the foundations. Now they just need to up their AAA exclusive output, which is definitely needed. They need to find a couple of big new IP's at least. Plus secure some of the big Japan 3rd party stuff. Though even right now some of their games are better than anything on PlayStation for me, but that is largely subjective.
Uno Venova
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These figures don't have an official source.
Primethius
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Right. The XB1 is suddenly selling far more in countries that we have no data for and that MS gives no shits about vs. the possibility that these numbers might be wrong or not sold-through.
Yea, I'll take my napkin math. Doesn't take a genius to figure out somethings wrong and that MS's biggest market, NA, isn't going to shrink more than 10-15% in the span of a few months.
Superdata throws random numbers out and then changes then. People forget that they said there'd be millions of PSVR units by the end of last year. And they in actuality were under 1 million
Rumblebones
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Theoretically, sure.
If tomorrow Microsoft announces they've learned their lessons and are creating half a dozen new AAA studios and magically secure a steady stream of exclusives from now until the end of the generation, to give one radical example, then sure, I can imagine the market changing very rapidly and depending on how long this gen actually lasts they might actually win this thing - but that's not going to happen, because Microsoft lack the humility and sense to fully commit to the demands of the consumers, who are actually very easy to please considering all they want is what Microsoft puports to be in the business of making: games.
It ain't gonna happen this gen. It's doubtful it'll happen next gen - which is Sony's to lose.
Microsoft cares way more than Sony and Nintendo about brazil, just to give you a quick example
Don't talk about markets you know nothing about
mejin
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PS4 is officially available in 3x more countries than XBO (almost..if I'm not wrong). The world for MS has a different meaning than it is for Sony.
It's pretty much dead in most of the countries its available.
We all know US/UK is the majoritiy of their market: 70? 75%? More?
So it's pretty simple:
1. They are not lying about those shipped numbers: Huge stock everywhere.
2. They put the wrong number and will correct soon.
South America/New Zealand won't fill the slack of US/UK this year.
privitsan02
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That's a reasonable amount of consoles sold. In fact, very good considering the circumstances. Probably shipped but I don't know why people are so distrustful, I mean it's Microsoft themselves, albeit their France team declaring this.
Best wishes.
Best wishes.
I thought they're from MS France according to the sourced article?
Primethius
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What are you even on about? Maybe try and understand the point of my post. It's not about the console not selling. It's about relative sales.
LukasTaves
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I can only speak about Brazil because that's what I see here.
Ms reduced their retail presence a lot with our financial/political crisis, but before that they had stores anywhere, other retailers used to have a way bigger xbox area than ps4. Now it's more evened out, but the price gap is still high. Digital only games have a huge difference (sometimes it's half on xbone compared to Ps4), and sony doesn't do a thing to address that despite fans and the press asking them about it.
Xbone was also fabricated here which helped bring the prices down compared to Ps4, now it's more evened out, but xbone is still cheaper on both the "official" market or importing directly.
Ms Brazil also engages a lot with the public, they make events for every big launch, for instance just last week they invited fans from around the country to watch the E3 conference live, with free travel, stay, and food. Gave some freebies, made some cool announcements (Xbonex will launch here this year, and they are trying to get day and date with the US, on contrast Ps4 Pro isn't launched here officially yet, so even if you buy on a store with receipts you can't use Sony assistance if anything happens).
Overall, Brazil feels like it's an huge market for Ms, and they definitely engage with us.
They have Xbox One at
29.59M
To easily see why they are a joke, they have PS4 at 58.03M and for PS4 we have an officially announced sold through number of 60.4M.
The big difference is that PS4 is so far ahead in Spain, France, Germany, Italy whenever we get occassional numbers from there, so it's plausible to see where PS4 builds up its total outside NPD and Japan.
I'm going to take the numbers from that article with giant grain of salt.
I can never tell if you're serious, but in case you are, there is absolutely no chance of this happening.
I can never tell if you're serious, but in case you are, there is absolutely no chance of this happening.
Of course it's a conspiracy. You've figured it out genius, a whole 4-5m global discrepancy based on a 3 year old ratio has blown the whole thing.
Brazil is one of the few countries that have a "local" Inside Xbox crew and videos in portuguese and all that yadda yadda. Xbox games end up cheaper and they have way more regional sales than sony.
PS4 Pro not launching here officially doesn't mean anything though, Xbox One S still havent launched here either
They reached it already? Correct me if I'm wrong, seriously correct me as this is purely conjecture based solely on my opinion, but the magic number for home consoles prior to a new generation is 80 million. Do the new iterations of each console extend this generation's longevity by 20 million per console refresh?
Salute to Microsoft for coming a long way since the initial reveal. They're turning things around and getting competition where it needs to be.
Primethius
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You think that ratio is 3 years old?
Maybe you should actually go look at some sales data before making anymore of a fool of yourself.
panda-zebra
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EA's reports are usually good. They offered 79m total at end of 2016 and an estimate of 105m for end 2017 I believe.
60+36=96m total as of today... so we're to think ps4+xb1 2H 2017 is 9m ww?
Nah. Until there's clarification I don't think we should accept the 36.2m figure.
60+36=96m total as of today... so we're to think ps4+xb1 2H 2017 is 9m ww?
Nah. Until there's clarification I don't think we should accept the 36.2m figure.
Do you have actual XBO global shipments after June 2014? Because I sure don't. Well until now probably.
Uno Venova
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You can't actually see the source, just that it's from a closed community for the House of Fans reward program.
Primethius
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We have XB1 data for US, JP and a variety of markets that is fairly up to date (such as UK and EU).
And we have upper limits for how much MS has shipped based on their own fiscal reports for each quarter/year (up to last year IIRC).
So yes, the data and ratios are fairly up to date.
Well then presumably a Gaffer somewhere could verify? Anyway isn't that what the article itself says, leaked from the MS France program?
All I'm seeing here is what I originally posted on: napkin math based on 3rd party trackers and PR ratios. I'm incredibly curious how you might arrive at upper shipment limits based on IR though, can you break that one down for me?
Xbox One S still haven't launched here either |o|
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