Wow, that's impressive and unexpected since it's 1440p on the Pro. I was expecting in the range of 1620p-1800p Maybe they've done some engine improvements since then. Bandwidth likely accounts for some of it but the difference seems way too big to just be the raw specs.
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Titanfall 2 on XOX can go above 4K with Dyanmic Superscaling
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Went in to clean it up. 2k was really 1080p. Adjusted 720p for it.
FWIW, I didn't make the original. I only checked it for 6k vs 4k
Uh, when?
I am sure there is more to it than this but bandwidth could be playing a role here. There is more to how these consoles perform than tflop count.
wait.. really? its Not 4K on pro? lol
Don't forget the really high GPU clock for a console also.
Karspankey
Banned
Hey guys, I just made two res comparisons using Infamous: First Light and Rise of the Tomb Raider on the PS4 Pro. This will give you guys an idea of what this res bump can really provide in terms of clarity. Especially so since both of these games already render at 1080p on a regular Pro. Also, both of these games utilize checkerboard rendering with one of them, Infamous, only checkerboarding up to 1800p.
Tomb Raider:
4Kc
1080p
Infamous:
1800c
1080p
So as you can see, the benefits of the res bump from an already crisp 1080p are pretty noticeable. These two games, again, aren't even naively hitting the higher resolutions either.
Tomb Raider:
4Kc
1080p
Infamous:
1800c
1080p
So as you can see, the benefits of the res bump from an already crisp 1080p are pretty noticeable. These two games, again, aren't even naively hitting the higher resolutions either.
Cool, that's much better.
Yeah I know you didn't make it, I just wanted to point out to you that the image you picked had some major inaccuracies. In hindsight, the language I used probably wasn't the best for relaying that point across. Sorry if I came off too harsh.
Yh. Which affects everything in a GPU than adding CUs which just increases the flop count.
I'm all for technical accuracy as much as possible. Just had to move from my phone to my laptop to fix it.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Well, they did say Scorpio was a monster. 
Hey guys, I just made two res comparisons using Infamous: First Light and Rise of the Tomb Raider on the PS4 Pro. This will give you guys an idea of what this res bump can really provide in terms of clarity. Especially so since both of these games already render at 1080p on a regular Pro. Also, both of these games utilize checkerboard rendering with one of them, Infamous, only checkerboarding up to 1800p.
Tomb Raider:
4Kc
1080p
Infamous:
1800c
1080p
So as you can see, the benefits of the res bump from an already crisp 1080p are pretty noticeable. These two games, again, aren't even naively hitting the higher resolutions either.
Is this on a 4K TV or is it down-sampled to 1080?
Why would it matter if it's a screen capture?
Besides, Titanfall 2 has "Extra spicy temporal supersample anti-aliasing".
Karspankey
Banned
They were taken on a 4K display, but it literally doesn't matter. They are 4K quality pics that I trimmed out of larger screenshots. They will appear as sharp as you're screen will allow
LordOcidax
Member
Exactly... Lolol.
Excellent way to sell the 4KD, this guys are genius.
Karspankey
Banned
Here is a 1080p vs 4K checkerboard gif with Tomb Raider in case you don't want to/can't manually compare the pics I posted
A stronger GPU, bandwidth overhead, and unnecessary amount of ram toppping it off seems to be the formula to make this pretty trivial, given the specs. I'm still surprised in theory (general engine efficiency is always its own hold-up), but the differences between the Pro and the 1X make sense beyond that.
I think the additional bandwidth will really help XOX use that extra power. It's the bandwidth, not just the CPU, that's the bottleneck on Pro.
Here is a 1080p vs 4K checkerboard gif with Tomb Raider in case you don't want to/can't manually compare the pics I posted
Exactly how cropped is this image because there's no way 1080p is that blurry. Not even PS3 games look that blurry overall.
Christocolus
Member
A 19 year old PC with a 3dfx Voodoo card could run this at 8k at a fraction of the cost of Xbox One X, and also run emulators. Xbox is dead in the water.
At least that's the impression GAF has given me over the last couple of weeks
Lol
Karspankey
Banned
It's not cropped (or zoomed I should say) at all. It's far away detail. Think of the the pics as a puzzle piece taken out of a larger pic.
Here is another comparison:
4K is the shit, my friend
I haven't played FF XV but it looks way too extreme for post aa. It honestly look like a 1080p image stretched to 4k.
It's not cropped (or zoomed I should say) at all. It's far away detail. Think of the the pics as a puzzle piece taken out of a larger pic.
Here is another comparison:
4K is the shit, my friend
So you stretched the 1080p image to compare them, right? There's no other way the 1080p would be that blurry. That makes your comparison useless though. I often downsample from high resolultion including 4k and the biggest gain is less aliasing and temperal noise. The difference in clarity is actually rather minimal.
He understands that, he's asking how much is it cropped. As in, how small a part of the image is it. If you'd share the original images, it would make the whole thing clearer.
If it's native to the original res for 1080p, it would be something like this
They were taken on a 4K display, but it literally doesn't matter. They are 4K quality pics that I trimmed out of larger screenshots. They will appear as sharp as you're screen will allow
This is why I asked:
I hadn't seen that but then it makes sense. It's a very disingenous comparison because on a 1080p TV/screen the 1080p image would look very close to the 4k image on a 4k tv in terms of clarity.
So if you send a draft email to your father in law he'll think you're plain weird?
A 19 year old PC with a 3dfx Voodoo card could run this at 8k at a fraction of the cost of Xbox One X, and also run emulators. Xbox is dead in the water.
At least that's the impression GAF has given me over the last couple of weeks
More respect for the great 3dfx Voodoo, my very first super videocard
3rdamention
Member
Why did they have 4k assets in Titanfall on Xbox? Or are they going to still have to patch Titanfall 2 with 4k assets for this to happen?
I mean, it seems silly to add that much filesize to a game with 4k assets, when the machine originally intended to be playing it Xbox One and Xbox One S, cannot output those assets.
I mean, it seems silly to add that much filesize to a game with 4k assets, when the machine originally intended to be playing it Xbox One and Xbox One S, cannot output those assets.
I really would like to know why people are so obsessed with "4k assets". Though, to answer your question, I'm Titanfall 2 scales the use of high-resolution textures based on VRAM availability. The quality textures may already be on hard drives.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
MrTroubleMaker
Member
:O 6k!!!
From what were seeing, seems like the difference is significant. We'll be sure near launch
Theblackrain
Member
So let me get this straight. They were getting up to 6K resolution when playing Titanfall 2 at 60fps?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I always thought it was a lot bigger than people were giving it credit for. Everybody is only focusing, it seems, on the 6 Teraflop GPU, ignoring the crazy clock speed of that GPU, which apparently improves a lot of other aspects of the GPU, the 326GB/s of memory bandwidth (which is a much bigger deal than some appear to have accepted), there's a difference surely in raw execution resources beyond just "4 more compute units," and then you just so happen to have a not so insignificant 12GB of ram in the system, 8 of which is dedicated purely to games. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Microsoft later makes refinements that gives devs on One X access to slightly more than just that 8GB.
It might not be popular to say, but I always believed the difference between this system and PS4 Pro would be larger than the difference between PS4 and Xbox One, and felt that there would be instances where it would be by some pretty surprising gaps in performance.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
XOX LUV U
chromatic9
Member
Please consider using XBX
WastedDeer
Banned
They already have I thought? Isn't 9GB available to the devs now?
Also 6K? lol.... DF comparison will be a bloodbath if this holds up at launch.
Maroon Gamer
Member
Idontbelieveyou.gif
DF analysis will be fun to watch.
DF analysis will be fun to watch.
Karspankey
Banned
He understands that, he's asking how much is it cropped. As in, how small a part of the image is it. If you'd share the original images, it would make the whole thing clearer.
If it's native to the original res for 1080p, it would be something like this
I'm sorry, you guys, I got mixed up about the whole zoom thing. The pics were taken a while ago, and were cropped a bit. I remembered wrong and I'm sorry
Here are the pics off my PS4 I just transferred now:
1080p
4Kc
The screenshot res on my PS4 was set to 4K so that is why the 1080p image is so large. The difference is not as noticeable at normal zoom, now that I am using a 1080p screen to look at them. There is a way more noticeable difference on a 4K display and that was where my POV was coming from.
All I was trying to get across was the increase in detail without asset changes, which is still represented in my comparisons.
nillapuddin
Member
Already announced bump to 9 for games