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[josecitoxnyo]

Bungie hates making skill gaps bigger, they passionately try to make it as lower as possible. They don't want skilled people dominate the game, neither PVP or PVE, they simply hate that.

That said, his arguments are totally misunderstood, they clearly tuned the recoil different than the console version, this is pefectly fine.
Now, if it's extremely lower, then it doesn't make sense at all, we need to see it action to see how exactly they tune it.

This is Gigz, one of the top pvp players of Destiny, he doesn't want to learn recoil patterns, lol.

He also uploaded a small clip testing the recoil when he played the game at E3.

 

[dc89]

Lmao wat.

 

[LordRaptor]

recoil is a last gen feature

 

[GavinUK86]

Quoting for the new page.

 

[Tahnit]

This may actually get me to play on PS4 instead. I love how recoil feels on PS4 destiny especially with the scout rifles. It's why gunplay in destiny feels so fucking good.

 

[Grief.exe]

Quoting for the new page.

I posted in the OP, still doesn't fix their flawed ideology when approaching a PC version.

 

[pretty done]

For instance, there’s no recoil on guns on PC because recoil on the controller feels really good

lol I don't think this line will ever make sense

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

wow that is silly.

 

[nubbe]

What if I use a controller on the PC?

 

[Diablohead]

So what they are doing is instead of recoil being like coutnter strike where shooting shoves your aim around they are instead going with overwatch style which keeps the crosshair still, so it feels a little more arcade... ish? I guess?

That's how i'm seeing it.

 

[RinNowaru]

Not buying this now. So many stupid decisions.. I will wait for Anthem

I only play games on PC using controller

 

[DrZeus]

This game...😂

 

[Generalpsyduck]

What happened bungie? You used to be at the top of the industry but you keep doing dumb shit.

 

[jet1911]

So that's how they'll get around the auto aim stats on the weapons?

 

[Lothars]

They're actively doing everything they can to make me dislike it on PC enough to not buy it.

I was planning on playing with a controller too...man what the hell their logic is totally off.

I wish more people would read the thread instead of just blindly posting.

This is like a Kellyanne Conway answer.

Here's this serious issue that needs to be addressed, and here is all the reasoning behind the arguments.

Ya? Well you messed up this unrelated detail.

It really seems like you have an agenda. There's proof that it is still in the game but you keep going on like it isn't.

 

[josecitoxnyo]

I posted in the OP, still doesn't fix their flawed ideology when approaching a PC version.

It's not a flawed ideology to their idea of what the game needs to be, a perfect casual experience.

This is totally fine, we totally disagree with their idea but they have a point.

 

[Nibel]

This can't be quite right

 

[FriskyrumX]

I wish more people would read the thread instead of just blindly posting.

More so the article instead of just reading bait forum thread titles.

 

[Raptomex]

What if I use a controller on the PC?

According to Mark's response to this exact question on Twitter, it plays like the console versions.

 

[The1Ski]

This was clarified recently, they're retooling how recoil works on the PC version to make it feel right for M/KB but it's still in there.

https://twitter.com/ShockAndShaw/status/877942060048728064

The original quote sounds like he actually meant to say "auto aim"

Yeah replace recoil with auto aim and everything is fine. Hope that's the case

 

[LiK]

The feel of the guns always felt great on console. I don't understand the need to change it up on PC. So weird.

 

[josecitoxnyo]

What if I use a controller on the PC?

You'll get auto aim and will play exactly as the console version.

This won't matter to an average PC player tbh, he will destroy you anyway due mouse and keyboard lol.

 

[Psychoward]

The Bungie I used to love has been long dead, shame.

 

[Grief.exe]

According to Mark's response to this exact question on Twitter, it plays like the console versions.

So the recoil increases when you plug a controller in 😵😵😵😵

 

[Heroman]

These guys made Halo

 

[Daffy Duck]

Should just remove it from Destiny 1 for the PC version.

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

This game is quickly reminding me of its predecessor. So far, I see no reason whatsoever to rush out and grab a copy at launch.

 

[franklyshankly]

So many posts still responding to the title when it is definitively false. Do people not actually read threads before posting in them?

 

[Raptomex]

So the recoil increases when you plug a controller in 😵😵😵😵

I guess so. This is insane.

 

[AcridMeat]

I wish more people would read the thread instead of just blindly posting.

Except heavily modifying it makes no sense at all.

It's a fundamentally silly decision.

 

[nubbe]

You'll get auto aim and will play exactly as the console version.

This won't matter to an average PC player tbh, he will destroy you anyway due mouse and keyboard lol.

I got an Elite controller, so I'll be the one that will be doing the destroying.

 

[Ban Puncher]

 

[heringer]

PC lacks dat controller magic.

 

[Blue Ninja]

So I'm guessing Mark Noseworthy has no idea what recoil actually means.

 

[TimeEffect]

Always knew FPS on consoles were superior

 

[Psychoward]

I got an Elite controller, so I'll be the one that will be doing the destroying.

Hahahahahah, I hope this is sarcasm.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Recoil in video games is usually nothing like how a gun even works so good on them, I'm fine without that.

What's weird is the decision to make it reduced over a controller based system where recoil managment and over-all accuracy is by default lower.

 

[franklyshankly]

Except heavily modifying it makes no sense at all as well.

It's a fundamentally silly decision.

Why? Mouse absolutely should handle differently than controller. It would make no sense to have identical recoil on mouse considering mouse will also have less or no aim assist which controllers have.

 

[rodrigolfp]

"That feels great, especially with magnetism and all the magic in the controller that makes you feel it."

so he is saying that the recoil is only visual because your bullet will still hit the target, right?

 

[Grief.exe]

I wish more people would read the thread instead of just blindly posting.

It really seems like you have an agenda. There's proof that it is still in the game but you keep going on like it isn't.

Um. Ironic considering the first half of your post.

The initial argument is flat out wrong though. They should be encouraged to implement recoil on PC since the accuracy and control of your shots is so much higher. Games with little to no recoil end up boring in the long run since there is nothing to improve.

Destiny also looks like it has fairly low TTK multiplayer, having no recoil combined with mouse aim limits the skill ceiling and promotes camping.

So even if they are just heavily modifying recoil instead of completely removing it, they still have the wrong base ideology.

So even if they are just heavily modifying recoil instead of completely removing it, they still have the wrong base ideology.

I did just add in an additional clarification sentence.

 

[NormalFish]

Destiny 2 for Best Point-and-Click Adventure Game of 2017

 

[Lothars]

Except heavily modifying it makes no sense at all.

It's a fundamentally silly decision.

It's not though, it needs to be different than a controller.

 

[Night Angel]

Why? Mouse absolutely should handle differently than controller. It would make no sense to have identical recoil on mouse considering mouse will also have less or no aim assist which controllers have.

Ding ding ding.

 

[Psychoward]

So many posts still responding to the title when it is definitively false. Do people not actually read threads before posting in them?

Um, even with the added context the lead designer of Destiny 2 not understanding what the word recoil means and adjusting it based on whether or not you're using a controller is still dumb as hell?

 

[AcridMeat]

Why? Mouse absolutely should handle differently than controller. It would make no sense to have identical recoil on mouse considering mouse will also have less or no aim assist which controllers have.

But he's still saying they're reducing drift. I don't disagree it shouldn't be touched, but they're going in the opposite direction with it.

 

[Psychoward]

It's not though, it needs to be different than a controller.

Ding ding ding.

The entire reason pc doesn't have auto aim in the first place is because a mouse is more precise. That's it. That's the reason.

I'm pretty sure most shooters have identical recoil patterns between PC and console.

 

[FriskyrumX]

Um, even with the added context the lead designer of Destiny 2 not understanding what the word recoil means and adjusting it based on whether or not you're using a controller is still dumb as hell?

Who cares though, he made a mistake and he's not even the PC Lead and he fixed it. Literally making a stir for no reason.

 

[Lothars]

I did just add in an additional clarification sentence.

After, It still proves you wrong though.

The entire reason pc doesn't have auto aim in the first place is because a mouse is more precise. That's it. That's the reason.

I'm pretty sure most shooters have identical recoil patterns between PC and console.

I'd be shocked if that's the case and if it is than I am wrong and am willing to admit it.

 

[josecitoxnyo]

I got an Elite controller, so I'll be the one that will be doing the destroying.

 

[Grief.exe]

It's not a flawed ideology to their idea of what the game needs to be, a perfect casual experience.

This is totally fine, we totally disagree with their idea but they have a point.

You're conflating two different arguments though. Yes it is true that Bungie is targeting a mainstream audience by reducing the skill required to aim, at the same time their ideology relating to a recoil reduction on PC is flawed.