Psychoward
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I thought we were comparing it back to BFII, yeah that's a fair point of view.
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Battlefront II to feature in-game currency, loot boxes, crafting (affects gameplay)
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I thought we were comparing it back to BFII, yeah that's a fair point of view.
Yeah, that's a way better system. Everyone gets the same gameplay experience, and people who want the cosmetics don't have to gamble away real money to get what they want.
Exploratory
Banned
Uh what
The fuck do I care how big or small the studio is? They're still working on the game so they need to be paid. Either we pay for map packs or some people pay for microtransactions.
You expect them to just give you free stuff every few months?
If it's pay to win they fucked up but how often are big budget AAA games pay to win in 2017?
Psychoward
Banned
Battlefront "1" had 6v6 modes though.
I mean if this is where we're at right now as an industry where balance isn't important at all because the game has a large player count therefore you can nickel and dime your player base to get objectively better items then lol
Stallion Dan
Member
What a great investment Overwatch was, with all the other shooters shitting the bed with this RNG gameplay altering bullshit, or straight up p2w MTs, it looks like I won't need another multiplayer shooter all gen.
They do get paid. Every person who plays the game has paid them already.
veloxStrix
Banned
Right? Remember that shitty game Bad Company 2 that everyone hated? Where you had to play a ton to unlock upgrades for your various classes? I'm not seeing a whole ton of difference honestly. Maybe a few pounds.
would you rather pay for every new map, hero, weapon, vehicle, mode etc.?
Exploratory
Banned
Then you don't get free updates and you don't get free maps and free characters and free
You paid for what you got not the work they do after the game is launched.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Whatever this isn't a balanced shooter or even a competitive shooter. It's dumb fun with star wars toys in videogame form.
Psychoward
Banned
bruvs there are other ways to monetize your stuff which I already said so I'm not sure why you're both acting so obtuse. I never once expected them to give all of this out for free, mentioning the studio size, the publisher and the IP were all just reminders though that this isn't some indie dev who's scraping together quarters in his mom's basement to afford their next meal.
and really by definition locking objectively better items behind real world currency or extremely finnicky rng is pretty much pay to win even if you can obviously win without spending a dime.
off the top of my head call of duty and tlou were pay to win this gen btw
I'm okay with not getting a constant stream of new shit. If the core game is enjoyable and there's plenty of content at launch, I'm okay with that being all there is to the game. If they want to add value to attract new players, that's fine too. Or they can have support for modded servers, and let the player base add value for them.
They can still work on new stuff, bundle it all together, call it Battlefront III and ship it in a couple of years, which, lets face it, will probably happen either way.
i HeaR MusiC
Member
Balance isn't important in a casual game like this. This type of game is quick, casual and mindless fun. I imagine the support for this game will have MUCH more to offer than the first year of Overwatch. That comes at a price.
Team Filler
Member
Hehe...
Exploratory
Banned
That's not viable in the modern AAA gaming space for so many reasons. That's how you get people who play your game and never come back. That's how you get people who sell your game to GameStop for 2 bucks.
NullPointer
Member
That will have to be just your imagination until we actually find out.
i HeaR MusiC
Member
Considering the first game got much more. It's a pretty safe bet.
Is that what happened to the original Battlefront II?
NullPointer
Member
The first game had an expensive season pass.
We'll see though. Other games with free-for-all post-launch content have offered a lot of remixes of maps from previous games. Overwatch's maps are all new, which takes time.
Not saying that DICE will or won't, but I don't think we can use their previous game as a one-to-one example of whats to come. Maybe though.
lmao , hilarous that people like you talk about stuff that dont know
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
The most important question.....will the Ion Shock emote return? lol
i HeaR MusiC
Member
Dice has never had a small offering for post launch content. The first game didn't have microtransactions. It's a safe bet.
Psychoward
Banned
There are plenty of quick, casual mindless fun shooters that don't have this disgusting practice though.
Like literally every other shooter besides COD or a f2p game pretty much
NullPointer
Member
Forgive me, I don't like to bet ;p
Psychoward
Banned
OfTheOverflow
Member
Really not impressed. Oh well, I mean this was never going to be as good as competing multiplayer games and only good for a few rounds at a time like the original was. I probably wouldn't play it enough to really notice, then I'll be right back to R6.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Are people really worried about a 5% dmg reduction in the rarest card? Doesn't seem like a big deal.
i HeaR MusiC
Member
AAA with free post launch content? Please, do share.
Titanfall 2 and Overwatch is all I can think of. Hell, not even Overwatch considering how competitive it is.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
***ATTENTION EVERYONE***
I, as GAF's foremost expert on the Star Wars Battlefront series will explain how this works.
So essentially you can sidestep the entire RNG.
The only real money payment into buy extra lootboxes, they can also be bought with the non-real money in-game currency earned through normal play. From what I've been told the average earn rate is one box per 30 minutes of average play.
I, as GAF's foremost expert on the Star Wars Battlefront series will explain how this works.
The loot boxes contain two types of items (maybe more like XP boosts), cosmetics and Star Cards of varying rarities. The Common level of all Star Cards are unlocked via normal gameplay. The higher rarities (5 tiers) can be obtained either through the RNG lootboxes or by spending in-game earned credits (no real money) to upgrade a specific Star Card directly.
So essentially you can sidestep the entire RNG.
The only real money payment into buy extra lootboxes, they can also be bought with the non-real money in-game currency earned through normal play. From what I've been told the average earn rate is one box per 30 minutes of average play.
Psychoward
Banned
From the class site it's more like a 30 second cooldown vs. a 15 second cooldown which is much more noticeable.
Also for a pvp game even a 5% damage reduction could be the difference between a kill or a death so
5% is fucking huge if you're playing competitively.
Psychoward
Banned
AAA games that don't lock gameplay items behind random chance boxes that you can buy with real money.
For Honor, Rainbow 6, Overwatch, Titanfall 2, Rocket League, Killing Floor 2, DOOM. I could go on but you get the point, basically every other mp game out there that's not a f2p cash grab.
i HeaR MusiC
Member
Ok? I said free post launch content though.
Psychoward
Banned
Ok? I was never arguing about that. This is clearly worse but ok whatever helps you sleep at night.
Does Splatoon count as AAA?
i HeaR MusiC
Member
But the reason the game has this practice is because of the free, post launch content. They have to give people incentive to actually buy these things. Disgusting is what CoD has done with having p2w RNG AND a season pass.
I don't know about that, as long as you have the high ground you can destroy any Sith Lord.
Psychoward
Banned
Yes and they can give an incentive without making the gameplay items that were in the vanilla game that you paid $60 for be under a RNG lootbox that you can buy with real money.
This is much worse than just having cosmetics in boxes or having cosmetics be directly purchaseable or even adding abilities and weapons to the game post launch that you could just grind a bit for.
Your option to getting objectively better items is to;
1) play a ton and hope you get blessed by RNG (if ME3 and OW are any indicator, even with 100+ hours you won't have everything)
2) pay real money to gamble away at a digital slot machine for the chance of getting objectively better items
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Splitting the player base sucked. This sucks too. Why can't they just do cosmetics? Certainly there's enough material to work with.
Making noise works and it keeps them on their toes which can only be a good thing.
Making noise works and it keeps them on their toes which can only be a good thing.
Rainbow 6, Overwatch, Titanfall 2, Rocket League, Killing Floor 2, Splatoon
i HeaR MusiC
Member
I figure a cosmetic only approach wouldn't properly fund the type of support they have in mind. Not every game has desirable cosmetics like Overwatch. It seems people want the world when it comes to this stuff, lol. They have to make money if you want your game to last for longer than 3-6 months.
Psychoward
Banned
Then they put the items in the game and have you work towards them through leveling up or completing a challenge or something or buy them directly instead of locking them behind random boxes.
Honestly, the idea that people can't be bothered to play something unless they get a new map every few months is kind of silly.
Nearly forty thousand people were playing Left 4 Dead 2 at one point today, and when was the last time that game got any substantial content additions?
Nearly forty thousand people were playing Left 4 Dead 2 at one point today, and when was the last time that game got any substantial content additions?
It just occurred to me that for all the talk a few years ago about the idea of 'emergent gameplay' this is what we were given. Random item drops that you can also pay real money for.
The industry develops the latest and greatest in digital entertainment technology but they're all engaged in a race to the bottom to use it in the most exploitative, least fun way. I would actually bet that fewer than 10% of AAA studios are even applying proper engineering and design principles to their games anymore. Sure, they're developing something that is playable as a game but they are not trimming them into lean and tight pieces of engaging content.
The industry develops the latest and greatest in digital entertainment technology but they're all engaged in a race to the bottom to use it in the most exploitative, least fun way. I would actually bet that fewer than 10% of AAA studios are even applying proper engineering and design principles to their games anymore. Sure, they're developing something that is playable as a game but they are not trimming them into lean and tight pieces of engaging content.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Halo 5 was pretty alright, but even more of that would be grating at this point. MS going ALL IN on this stuff has made me get sick of it pretty fast.
honestly, I never minded just buying DLC
