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Unexpectedly Cruel Moments (That Took You Out Of The Narrative)
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TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
What a weird world we live in where only "bad" people are supposed to die when a flock of hungry dinosaurs goes into a feeding frenzy in a crowd.
In The Lost World: Jurassic Park it actually bothered me when the T-Rex passed by old people and kids to go after healthy guys in their prime.
In The Lost World: Jurassic Park it actually bothered me when the T-Rex passed by old people and kids to go after healthy guys in their prime.
Got another one, and it's a real humdinger: from Fullmetal Alchemist (the first series).
For those unaware, the first adaptation deviated wildly from the original manga, since the story wasn't finished. Brotherhood is the series that copied the manga in its entirety, although you've got some people who insist that the first FMA series did some things better (which I agree with).
However, the first series also featured an incredibly disturbing fate for one of its characters. It's far and away beyond anything else in either series, and that's saying something considering the subject matter.
Rose, who was a minor character that had a complete character arc, is at one point surrounded by a bunch of men during a civil war in her town. A few episodes later, we learn that she was violently raped by all of them, to the point that she ended up having a baby (of course no one knows who the father is). The experience also left her traumatized to the point that she could no longer speak.
The big hopeful moment is when she recalls Edward's encouraging words and eventually starts speaking again. But in hindsight, this was a supremely fucked up thing to happen to the character that is also completely pointless, since her role doesn't get any bigger nor does it expand on her character (which already had a conclusive arc).
Needless to say, this doesn't happen in Brotherhood, and that's a good thing.
For those unaware, the first adaptation deviated wildly from the original manga, since the story wasn't finished. Brotherhood is the series that copied the manga in its entirety, although you've got some people who insist that the first FMA series did some things better (which I agree with).
However, the first series also featured an incredibly disturbing fate for one of its characters. It's far and away beyond anything else in either series, and that's saying something considering the subject matter.
Rose, who was a minor character that had a complete character arc, is at one point surrounded by a bunch of men during a civil war in her town. A few episodes later, we learn that she was violently raped by all of them, to the point that she ended up having a baby (of course no one knows who the father is). The experience also left her traumatized to the point that she could no longer speak.
The big hopeful moment is when she recalls Edward's encouraging words and eventually starts speaking again. But in hindsight, this was a supremely fucked up thing to happen to the character that is also completely pointless, since her role doesn't get any bigger nor does it expand on her character (which already had a conclusive arc).
Needless to say, this doesn't happen in Brotherhood, and that's a good thing.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
There were a lot of kids in the park, how many did we see die onscreen? An appeal to realism is laughable in Jurassic World, a movie that ends with a raptor and a T. rex teaming up to take down an evil red-eyed dinosaur and then honorably leaving the surviving humans to their own devices because they're all now bros.
Also, those flying animals were pterosaurs, not dinosaurs.
Kabuki Waq
Member
The walking dead comic started off great but now does cruel shit for shock value.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That guy was pulled off the boat by a crowd of people and eaten by piranha literally a few seconds after the girl's face got ripped off.
That and Eli Roth's death were rare bits of moralizing in an otherwise equal opportunity bloodfest.
Not nearly enough.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Weeds got this way for me, pretty early on I think. It started as the kind of "well-off suburban people behave badly" show of its time only with a boner for how cool marijuana is, but by a couple seasons in we have some pretty hard criminals killing people and putting a gun against the main character's head threatening to rape her and kill her kids if she doesn't cooperate. It killed the goofy, juvenile tone for me.
Bakkus
Member
I hope you knew that was gonna happen the moment Charles said yes to sleeping over. It was painfully obvious. Poorly written movie which relies on shock value for most of it's scenarios.
Wow, thanks for the added context. That actually makes a lot of sense, and you're right. Claire's character arc especially seems so... 90s.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
Member
In Showgirls, the movie is hilariously bad and then suddenly her friend is raped and it's a pretty god damn brutal hard to watch scene. Wtf.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Fucking HATED this.
Secret Fawful
Member
Adriana
"Bravery."
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
Breaking Bad last season spoilers:
Nothing in any artistic medium has ever made me feel worse than watching Hank get killed in the last season. It wasn't necessarily unexpected in the few moments before it happened, but my heart dropped into my f**king stomach when it did.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Just like the way the dinosaurs are depicted.
Seriously, everything about JW is going backwards. It's almost like satire. The movie is trying to go backwards with women and dinosaurs.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Superman 3: You will believe that an unexpected and agonizing death waits for us all. The sounds ffs, the sounds. Out of the narrative and under the covers.
Adam_Vania
Banned
Richard in Silicon Valley turned into a cartoon villain so much i cant take any of the people that work with him seriously anymore
Yes this. It was so unnecessary, I was like WTH. I'll also add Finick in that shit book/movie Mockingjay.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Blood C is basically Uncomfortably Drawn Out and Senseless Deaths: the Anime. I barely got through it even with it being censored.
Just recently watched this film and yeah, what the fuck.
The entire movie is all over the place in terms of style and tone TBH abut that pushed it over the edge.
Lys Skygge
Member
Yeah Finicks death was cruel. Completely turned me off from the film.
Also The Vipers death in GoT completely turned me off from even starting the series (friend showed me the clip...it just made me sick)
I saw most of Logan in theaters, but left early. I was kinda depressed at the time and needed an escape and boy was that the wrong movie to see when I was feeling down. I feared the family they met was going to get killed and I didn't want to see it. I left after they accepted the offer to stay for dinner. I was planning to watch the rest at some point, but I'm just going to wiki it. I'm not interested in that kind of cruelty these days.
I am really worried about him directing Episode 9. I just can't see him being the right choice to close out Rey's trilogy.
The JW thing is too intense.
It's funny becuase in these kinds of movies usually there is an implicit "punishment" being doled out by gruesome kills so that the audience doesn't stop having fun.
In Jurassic Park the lawyer got a similarly brutal kill, but it was the 90s and being a sniveling lawyer was enough. Jurassic World seemingly bets that they can go 10x harder on some random lady under the assumption that her disinterest in watching children would be enough to make it fun. The ratio is fucked though and even more problematic in it's implications than the original.
Edit: Someone else said it better.
It's funny becuase in these kinds of movies usually there is an implicit "punishment" being doled out by gruesome kills so that the audience doesn't stop having fun.
In Jurassic Park the lawyer got a similarly brutal kill, but it was the 90s and being a sniveling lawyer was enough. Jurassic World seemingly bets that they can go 10x harder on some random lady under the assumption that her disinterest in watching children would be enough to make it fun. The ratio is fucked though and even more problematic in it's implications than the original.
Edit: Someone else said it better.
EdibleKnife
Member
Maybe it's the implication that it's in exchange for basically saving her from captivity (and saving her life overall) but I really don't like that moment either. I really don't even want to watch the movie again because it puts a very immature (not a good kind) pall over the whole thing. And thing is, it seemed to be such an "awesome" memorable moment for alot of fans of that movie that I wouldn't be surprised if there's a callback to it in the 2nd film.
Warm Machine
Member
Dude kills an entire church full of people who didn't really deserve it IIRC. It was ugly as fuck. Consensual anal sex is the least of that movie's problems.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I don't know why people view that Jurassic World scene in a serious manner. It's a comedy scene, purposefully made to be as ridiculous as possible and I laughed my arse off when I saw it at the cinema.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Rey will put away her lightsaber and become a mother.
The whole church slaughter scene is really fitting for this thread considering it's played as a big cool set piece.
It's tasteless.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
It was just so unexpectedly mean-spirited lol.
Normally when a character gets a drawn out death like that, it's a narrative comeuppance for them being some type of irredeemable asshole.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
What? IIRC her death was not like that. She got found out by the Ants and got used as food... Which is wayyyy more horrible than what you're describing hahaha. And after she survived being made into a Hunter too, damn.
Edit: wait, or maybe I am remembering another character.
From Animals of Farthing Wood
Newborn mice are snatched by a bird and killed by being dropped and impaled onto a thorn bush.
Even watching it as an adult it's pretty shocking, as is the parents reaction and the wider group as well.
Farthing Wood is full of stuff like this. It's a shame they don't make shows like this anymore.
Did anybody else see Bone Tomahawk? The whole movie is pretty tame until you see somebody get disembowled in the most gruesome way possible. It was just so ridiculously brutal.
EdibleKnife
Member
I'm not exactly a fan of that scene either
People know it was supposed to be ridiculous. It just comes off as uncomfortable incongruous with the rest of the movie. Nothing within the previous portion of the movie telegraphed you'd have to watch a character be tossed between the jaws of dinosaurs while torturously screaming and struggling for her life for about 20 seconds. As a comedic scene, it doesn't succeed or match the tone of the movie.
I'd argue the stuff with the women later on is far worse.
Also does Farthing Wood have a scene of two hedgehogs trying to cross a highway? That scene was my first exposure to death as a concept as a child and even thinking about it now deeply disturbs me. Being a kid and being exposed to that is character shattering in a really profound way. Always been afraid to revisit it.
That new Jurassic movie is just a bad movie.
Sometimes you need death, I really don't care about a movie if the main character has impenetrable plot amour but even the reverse (Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones etc) is terrible and I call it the 'plot got too complicated, kill some threads off' syndrome where you know no one that makes the writers life hard will stay alive.
Sometimes you need death, I really don't care about a movie if the main character has impenetrable plot amour but even the reverse (Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones etc) is terrible and I call it the 'plot got too complicated, kill some threads off' syndrome where you know no one that makes the writers life hard will stay alive.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I peg that scene as the movie makers trying to have fun in a ridiculous way while at the same time showing off all those CG dinosaurs.
Well, I laughed at the sheer exaggerations of the scene, but maybe perhaps I just have a perverse sense of humor, hahah.
Yes it does. I can't remember it all exactly but many of the main characters meet gruesome ends. It was probably one of the only childrens shows which dealt with the issue of mortality and I respect the series for that.
AtomskEater
Member
Ugh, yeah. It was just kinda alright when they were doing more of a "monster of the week" kind of thing earlier in the series. there still was some gore but not on that level. Then the last episodes go full blown torture porn and my emotions were a mixture of incredulity over the creative ways they got rid of a town full of people (cue the bunny-demon blender hand gif) and feeling a little sick.
Guess I won't avoid getting into the series then, I keep holding back because there's now a billion games, anime, manga, etc. I don't mind brutality and horrible fates when it serves an actual purpose that furthers the story or characters.
That clip just really got to me, her begging and screaming and then her eyes kind of going blank like even a few seconds of the torture was enough to break her spirit.
This was as terrible as it was unnecessary, yes (though the '03 version was already full of questionable anime original decisions, I still don't know what the hell Bones were thinking with this in particular).
Crayon
Member
I think this one from the Ideon movie is a shoe in for threads like this.
Omg I'm dying
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Mine is when Johnny 5 gets jumped in Short Circuit 2. Wtf. I loved that movie and I had to cover my eyes for that part every time. Really wtf.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
From Animals of Farthing Wood
Newborn mice are snatched by a bird and killed by being dropped and impaled onto a thorn bush.
Even watching it as an adult it's pretty shocking, as is the parents reaction and the wider group as well.
But it's basically true to life.
reaganator
Banned
Ghost Ship was a really shit movie but that one scene... holy shit. That was crazy.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
My submission:
Generally, I'm down for most of the debauchery that you find in the likes of Kill la Kill, where it's completely over the top and borders on self-parody.
Ragyo's almost explicit mother-daughter rape is a few steps too far, though. I can't help but get the impression that it's there not so much for any narrative or characterization purpose, but because the creators know that some of the target audience gets off on this kind of shit.
Generally, I'm down for most of the debauchery that you find in the likes of Kill la Kill, where it's completely over the top and borders on self-parody.
Ragyo's almost explicit mother-daughter rape is a few steps too far, though. I can't help but get the impression that it's there not so much for any narrative or characterization purpose, but because the creators know that some of the target audience gets off on this kind of shit.
RedHoodedOwl
Member
The demon bunnies shredding people like a blender.
EdibleKnife
Member
Is this the movie with the wire cutting? And is that the scene you're talking about?
There really is no further implication or impact for the scene other than to show that Ragyo was twisted when we already knew that.
RedHoodedOwl
Member
Insert the title of any Eli Roth film here.