RedHoodedOwl
Member
Everything in Cross Ange
The main antagonist used his reality warping powers to make the female protagonist masturbate against her will!
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Unexpectedly Cruel Moments (That Took You Out Of The Narrative)
- Thread starter SOLDIER
- Start date
This thread gave me a serious brain splinter when I saw it the other day. Other than the obvious Jurassic World answer, I knew that there was something I had just seen in the last couple days that gave me this exact feeling, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Then I booted up Batman: Arkham Knight today
Then I booted up Batman: Arkham Knight today
Oh yeah, that's right, Barbara Gordon kills herself in front of Batman.
Like what
Come on.
What
You're gonna do that
To Barbara Gordon?
And I was 99% sure she was coming back, but all that means is that the shit is either stupid, or actually, really, totally that cruel. And that's the point where I went to Wikipedia. Because the game had put me into a corner where those were the only two options, so who cares?
Hopefully that other iconic death that I read about on Wikipedia feels a little better,
but I'm not going to see it.
Like what
Come on.
What
You're gonna do that
To Barbara Gordon?
And I was 99% sure she was coming back, but all that means is that the shit is either stupid, or actually, really, totally that cruel. And that's the point where I went to Wikipedia. Because the game had put me into a corner where those were the only two options, so who cares?
Hopefully that other iconic death that I read about on Wikipedia feels a little better,
but I'm not going to see it.
Conkersbadfurday
Member
My answer as well, though I don't think it was to the show's benefit. The dark stuff is really jarring given how carefree Gon is.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Batman was hit by fear gas....
Oh yeah, I figured that would be exactly it, but like I said, that just dumps it in the 'stupid' pile. I would've preferred an immediate reversal in a cheap attempt at shock value over them trying to reorient the story around "SHE IS... but is she...?" for however long.
"Stupid" is probably a too harsh, but it's like... blatantly manipulative. You want that moment, fine. I'm more than willing to admit that I had the intended reaction to it. But letting it sit like that forced my opinion on it. It doesn't feel great moving forward when every moment you're either waiting for the cheap takeback or for the game to end and it all to just be fucking mean.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
That woman was honored to do that scene BECAUSE it was shocking and unseen in a Jurassic movie and did her own stunts.
AND
It's no worse than Eddie in The Lost World who was far from some "jerkass".
My thoughts are Zara's more annoying scenes showing her ignoring the kids more prominently were cut which would have made for a more "deserving" death. But as is, she's a red shirt. Nothing else to it. Maybe it's the fact that's she's a woman that makes people uneasy?
AND
It's no worse than Eddie in The Lost World who was far from some "jerkass".
My thoughts are Zara's more annoying scenes showing her ignoring the kids more prominently were cut which would have made for a more "deserving" death. But as is, she's a red shirt. Nothing else to it. Maybe it's the fact that's she's a woman that makes people uneasy?
If they spent that much time showing a random (male) park ranger screaming for help as he's being simultaneously drowned and eaten, I would have winced too.
Part of me can't help but think they went this extra mile BECAUSE she was a woman.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
I think the equality angle can swing both ways. She literally was excited to do it.
Edit: and that one helicopter pilot/passenger got it pretty gruesomely too. (Beak through the chest)
Gon is bestest friends with a kid who pulled out a serial killers heart on the same day he met him and is surrounded by deaths pretty early on. He's carefree but that actually plays into a lot of the darker themes.
They didn't though.
They actually toned it down a little, compared to the random Ranger, by removing the tourist family watching the whole thing from underwater
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Someone mentioned it earlier but a ton of manga/anime (Shonen included) seems to take a strange delight in including some nasty pieces of work---and so many of them tend to be young. Like whenever there's a bully in a school setting they'll like straight up try to kill and rape people, that's always really bothered me.
War of The Worlds movie. Tom Cruise' character snuffs a man. If you've seen it, you know the scene.
It's a very awkward and uneasy scene. And the supposed reason for it is not earned or justified.
I'm surprised at all the Game of Thrones comments. As much as I wish it were a slightly different show----gruesome, crude, and nudey, are not at all off tone for the show.
This is a show where probably the most good man in Westeross, chops off a man's head, in the first minutes of the first episode. Because of rules. Which could have been justifiably pardoned.
And not long after that, Viscaerys is watching his young sister bathe and then inspects her naked body after she gets out. GoT wastes no time revealing its tone.
It's a very awkward and uneasy scene. And the supposed reason for it is not earned or justified.
I'm surprised at all the Game of Thrones comments. As much as I wish it were a slightly different show----gruesome, crude, and nudey, are not at all off tone for the show.
This is a show where probably the most good man in Westeross, chops off a man's head, in the first minutes of the first episode. Because of rules. Which could have been justifiably pardoned.
And not long after that, Viscaerys is watching his young sister bathe and then inspects her naked body after she gets out. GoT wastes no time revealing its tone.
Lys Skygge
Member
Lol that scene is dark, but I laughed. Especially how Stan refused to eat her until he checked her ID and saw that she was an organ donor.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
This is why it's good to finish games. Because they explain why that moment works by showing what people see in Batman as once subjected to the fear gas. They foreshadow it several times throughout.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Superman 3: You will believe that an unexpected and agonizing death waits for us all. The sounds ffs, the sounds. Out of the narrative and under the covers.
Here you can see a ghost of the original antagonist from the first draft, before Richard Pryor was wedged in there:
Brainiac.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Homer running around trying to get injured on a construction site to get disability.
"Hmm. Probably best that didn't hit me."
EDit: oop sorry for double-post
Conkersbadfurday
Member
Yeah but Killlua is such a THAT character that it's either cute or worthy of rolling your eyes.
paragonpro
Banned
I dont think the scene in jurassic world was mysoginistic, the first and the lost world had scenes where one person gets it bad from the dino's. I think in this case because it was a woman who bit the dust it made people uneasy, its the same with lara croft dying and leon kennedy dying. No one wants to see a woman go through something like that, i get it too because i myself am made more uncomfortable when its a woman. Like i said i dont think there was any sexist intent behind it, as a society i think seeing women go through something so harrowing makes us all uncomfortable.
Fancyarcher
Member
A lot of moments in Martys had me rolling on the ground sick. Great movie, but god is it hard to watch.
some shonen tend to go to far that it just becomes cartoony how evil their are
Cheshire_Buddha
Member
...but it's made clear that everyone in that church had went psycho from the chip, including the good guy. No one was acting on their own accord. Plus, all of the people in that church were bigots who belonged to a hate group, so I'm not going to cry over their deaths.
The anal scene? Yeah, a bit uncalled for.
I rewatched the film last week. I genuinely think people are imagining her death being worse than it was.
The "couple" from Lost that gets buried alive because they're stupidly sedated themselves after they overcome their greed and found out they love each other. Everybody thought they were dead because of a strong sedative poison that slows down the heart to a bare minimum.
But they were alive and conscious during the whole ordeal of their own funeral.
That shit haunts me to this day.
But they were alive and conscious during the whole ordeal of their own funeral.
That shit haunts me to this day.
My feelings on both those deaths were the same. Eddie's death left a really bad taste for a long time before I got over it, and it's one of my 'guilty pleasure' favorite films.
TLW had a pretty mean-spirited tone throughout though, compared to Jurassic World's more traditional "family-friendly thrill ride" angle.
Jurassic Park and TLW both had plenty of horror influence with its "who is gonna die next from a dinosaur" sprinkled throughout the story, but JW's general tone was much more influenced by action-comedy.
The Mosasaurus scene in JW isn't super sadistic compared to other films and it's full of good action/effects, but it's definitely THE sequence in the film that takes me out of it because the rest of the film is full of disney-fied conveniences like "Oh btw, all the other civilians in the park are doing just fine in the shelter! Just a couple scrapes here and there". After the evacuation, the entire park is just pristine and not littered with bodies, blood, debris or anything. It just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to what the film tells us about the rules it works under.
D
Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
Everything that happens to poor David toward the end of Six Feet Under. There might have been a point that was lost of me, but it felt needlessly cruel to me.
AuthenticM
Member
These white supremacist fuckers totally deserved all of what happened.
Best part was the punchline of Stan being the one originally refusing to eat her and the family pressuring him to do it, yet in the end he was the one who didn't end up traumatized by the event.
Church scene is not unexpectedly cruel tho, it's an scene where the villain shows his plans which involves a radio wave that makes people kill each other, everyone in that scene was killing each other, sure the secret agent with a license to kill gets the most kills, but it's not like he opened fire on a calm church full of praying people.
Unspoken90
Member
They were written off because fans hated them, but that episode actually got me to care a little. Being buried alive is so scary to me.
Take your Code of Hammurabi crap elsewhere, if you think ignorance is a crime punishable by death then I'd hate to see where the rest of your moral compass points.
The ACLU regularly defends the Westboro Baptist Church for a reason.
captainpat
Member
That rape scene in Tokyo tribe. Like.....What?
A fat guy splits a dude in half WITH HIS DICK.
Yeah this was fucked up big time. Turned me off.
And Robocop. The acid bath guy.
https://youtu.be/XC1Gfyp8C6I
Alex Stroud
Banned
For how over the top the series is, I thought the episode of Its Always Sunny where the gang quashes their beefs with various side characters over Thanksgiving dinner ended on a darker than normal note when
Dennis boards their guests up inside their burning apartment after the attempted quashings failed miserably.
Cricket showing up next season horribly burned too.
Apparently it was the first time a woman had a major on screen death in a Jurassic park movie, so perhaps that added to the reaction.
He kills them under the influence of that device that makes everyone go crazy. It's not like it was meant to be a heroic deed, they just chose victims you're going to feel the least sympathy for.
And as mentioned above, everyone kills everyone, Colin Firth is just the biggest fish in the pond.
The actions of Colin Firth's character make sense in the context of the scene. What makes it infantile is that the direction props up the scene as an exciting set piece that they want the viewer to feel excited/cathartic about. The church goers are bigoted assholes but it's tasteless as fuck to depict their murders with that much glee and energy.
Hellwarden
Member
The morality system in Dishonored 1 and 2 was always terrible, but there's a moment in 2 where it's almost like they gave up writing wise. (And don't give me that nonsense "It's a high/low chaos dichotomy! It's totally different!") So in Dishonored 2 there's a target, a genius inventor, who you have the option of killing or
The whole scene is just so casually cruel, and yet devoid of any actual impact.
lobotomizing. The latter option is the low chaos/good option.
BKatastrophe
Member
The Magicians (I only watched S1 of the show) can go fuck itself for shit like this. That fucking show just gets gross.
Also spoilering images doesn't work on mobile, so anyone reading this on mobile got spoiled.
Hey now
They don't say she got raped. We just saw her surrounded by men and then later someone says that whatever horrible thing they did to her rendered her mute. And now she has a baby and is going to be used as a vessel so Dante can fuck Edward.
Whatever no big deal.
Man fuck that anime.
I can't stop laughing at this. It's just so ludicrous. It just disappears.
Also spoilering images doesn't work on mobile, so anyone reading this on mobile got spoiled.
I laughed so hard.
Whoa whoa whoa
Hey now
They don't say she got raped. We just saw her surrounded by men and then later someone says that whatever horrible thing they did to her rendered her mute. And now she has a baby and is going to be used as a vessel so Dante can fuck Edward.
Whatever no big deal.
Yeah that was fucked.
He was also deteriorating heavily, a common thread between him and Logan.
As needlessly dark and cynical as AK was at points, the entire game has Bats deteriorating heavily due to a combination of fear toxin and Joker venom. It's not really stupid given how heavily it's rooted within the plot, unless you think the entire plot is stupid, in which case of course that's stupid.
afternoon delight
Member
Neither of these two moments took me out of the narrative, but they were certainly unexpected-
This moment is sooooooo uncomfortable to watch.
I really did not like that episode and the resulting trauma, felt too drawn out. But smoking crack and driving was the highlight for sure, loved it.
GlassEmpires
Member
I don't think Cricket was there. They wouldn't have invited him, let alone looking like he does.
reaganator
Banned
not sure if I overlooked it but anyone else remember the Spiderman 2 scene where Dr. Otto kills the hospital crew? The part where one of the ladies nails clawing the floor.... ugh
lvl99 Pixel
Member
Its more that it turned into a drawn out Rube Goldberg death sequence for no other reason than "look what dinosaurs could do!"
Its essentially Final Destination type of appeal but in a story thats trying to take itself seriously, so it ends up just being a joke.
TsunamiOfSwagger
Member
Superman 3: You will believe that an unexpected and agonizing death waits for us all. The sounds ffs, the sounds. Out of the narrative and under the covers.
This fucking scene scared me to death as a kid. Nightmare fuel.
Thee was a fire exit though. Also, the gang doesn't remember it the next year - those characters literally have no sense of continuity, whereas the supporting characters do.
Unspoken90
Member
He was there. He just shows up uninvited.