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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/885846952155516928

Not so fast. This is very cringe worthy.

All that constant touching and shoulder tapping (on both sides) is just annoying, so much more than the duration of the handshake itself. I know they want to show their power moves, but try to be more subtle about it FFS. It's like the British spread-legs-stance again...

 

[sturmdogg]

I've never heard him tell Merkel that..wonder why. ��

Have you seen Merkel?

Tell your mom she has nice tits for me. Thanks.

Funny thing, I said the same thing to your mom last night.

Spoiler

you're trying too hard

 

[DiipuSurotu]

All that constant touching and shoulder tapping (on both sides) is just annoying, so much more than the duration of the handshake itself. I know they want to show their power moves, but try to be more subtle about it FFS.

Macron's shoulder taps looked like he was meaning "Dude you can let go now. You. Can. Let. Go. Now."

 

[Captain Smoker]

The problem is that you are assuming everyone likes it whereas in reality you are generalizing.

I for one absolutely hate it when male colleagues thinks it's alright to tell me I look hot in a dress or my lipstick looks good or I should smile more often because it's pretty.

I go to work, to actually work and not have someone commenting on how I look. I am human, I'm not an object to be commented on or reviewed. No its not flattering and it doesn't make me happy.

If my guys friends tell me, I'm OK with them, because they are my friends and I do the same for them. But not colleagues or random strangers.

Dudes complementing women they don't know randomly can be for some of us really annoying.

You're interpreting this too literal, there are exceptions for everyone and everything.

But I should've said "most" and added that context is important, therefore it's my fault.


I also understand that some dudes are better at this than others, where it may seem creepy / annoying. As I described in a few other posts, every situation is different.

 

[Rookhelm]

All that constant touching and shoulder tapping (on both sides) is just annoying, so much more than the duration of the handshake itself. I know they want to show their power moves, but try to be more subtle about it FFS. It's like the British spread-legs-stance again...

That first handshake is unbearable...you can even see President Macron lose his balance at one point. Power moves are so pathetic.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

It isn't sexist

Yes it is, and if you disagree, you're probably sexist yourself.

Ah yes, mainstream media. Shaping people's minds and telling them what to think and who to hate since forever.

How about all the women in this thread who chimed in and said that yes, this is sexist, and yes, it's creepy and inappropriate and annoying?

Why do we have once again a thread where a bunch of dudes tell us "it's no big deal" and constantly ignore what women are actually saying?

I must say, I find that almost as obnoxious as overt misogyny sometimes. It's so goddamn frustrating.

I can't believe people are arguing for this being ok. This is not a "Bitch Crackers" situation. I've had female coworkers complain about this exact thing when meeting higher up men in a company. It's demeaning and disrespectful.

Just because you think it's a nice thing to say to someone doesn't make it ok. Get that through your head.

Thank you. (For actually listening to your female co-workers.)

I started like 3 or 4 conversations last week in the night club because particular people just looked cool or caught my attention. These are usually interesting people and I appreciate talking to them.

No one gives a shit about how you hit on chicks at a night club, mate. This has fuck-all to do with what the thread is about.

Have you seen Merkel?

Funny thing, I said the same thing to your mom last night.

Spoiler

you're trying too hard

.........

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/885846952155516928

Not so fast. This is very cringe worthy.

Holy crap, that grudge of his...

 

[Captain Smoker]

No one gives a shit about how you hit on chicks at a night club, mate. This has fuck-all to do with what the thread is about.

It was part of a side discussion.

And I said "particular people" and all of them were actually guys.


So next time read a sentence before you start ranting.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

It was part of a side discussion.

And I said "particular people" and all of them were actually guys.


So next time read a sentence before you start ranting.

Again, your deflections are irrelevant.

 

[Angelus Errare]

ITT: Dudes tell women what is and isn't appropriate to say to women, while ignoring women saying it's inappropriate.

 

[Rookhelm]

I'm gonna go ahead and take the advice from actual women ITT about what they like to hear, over men who's first instinct is to hit on a stranger.

 

[Dude Abides]

Have you seen Merkel?



Funny thing, I said the same thing to your mom last night.

Spoiler

you're trying too hard

I thought the lower age limit for GAF was 14.

 

[Ponn]

Again, your deflections are irrelevant.

Would it have helped if he complemented you first? Because apparently he is great at it while every other dude is just bad at it.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Again, your deflections are irrelevant.

And your sentence is still wrong.

Would it have helped if he complemented you first? Because apparently he is great at it while every other dude is just bad at it.

Strawman, never said this.

 

[Misha]

This is creepy but its not just that its creepy, this is a guy who brags to his friends about sexual assault and thinks he can just take whatever he wants. Its not good to begin with but with Trump theres a lot worse things to it


This guy also happens to be a democratically elected world leader

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

Oh come on guys. Its just Vestiaire parler.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

never would have expected this from the pussy grabber in chief

 

[Ponn]

Strawman, never stated this.

I also understand that some dudes are better at this than others, where it may seem creepy / annoying.

So are you creepy and annoying or are you better than others?

 

[Zaphrynn]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/885846952155516928

Not so fast. This is very cringe worthy.

This physically hurts to watch.

So are you creepy and annoying or are you better than others?

Everyone always thinks they're better. It's why women get fucking bugged in public and at their jobs so much. Who wouldn't want a compliment? I'm making her day brighter! I'm such a nice guy . And if this isn't you? Then it really doesn't matter. It really doesn't. As long as people keep sticking up for these situations the creeps will always have a pass.

Edit: A good analogy would be drivers. Everyone else is the bad driver, not them!

 

[Captain Smoker]

So are you creepy and annoying or are you better than others?

Strawman + suggestive question.


I said that there are dudes who are bad at this and that there are guys who are better at this, what's wrong about it? Realistically, there are guys who are better and guys who are worse than me, like in everything else in life.


I already stated what my personal experience looks like (which is mostly positive) + a personal example how not to do it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243414825&postcount=113

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Hey look Captain Smoker is still talking about himself and his game, because that's somehow relevant to the topic right guys

Tell us more, sempai

 

[Siegcram]

Strawman + suggestive question.


I said that there are dudes who are bad at this and that there are guys who are better at this, what's wrong about it? Realistically, there are guys who are better and guys who are worse than me, like in everything else in life.


I already stated what my personal experience looks like (which is mostly positive) + a personal example how not to do it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243414825&postcount=113

Are you physically unable to concede that your personal experience doesn't matter for any of this? At all?

And multiple people have also stated that yhe outward reaction, seemingly positive to you (although you don't seem that good at taking hints), might not be an accurate reflection what the person actually thinks about your unsolicited comments. Maybe think on that. Jesus.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I fucking hate this old fucking creep so much.

 

[Mahonay]

ITT: Dudes tell women what is and isn't appropriate to say to women, while ignoring women saying it's inappropriate.

This popped up on my girlfriend's feed this morning. Her first comment was how inappropriate/sexist it was.

Personally I agree.

 

[oneHeero]

Your post is such an exaggeration because it ignores every context that surrounds a particular situation.

If I like the overall look & style of a girl and I like to speak to her I'm going to tell her that I like her look / style, or a man, it doesn't matter.

And I don't see this as a problem if I use this topic as an opener or telling her/him during our conversation.


I started like 3 or 4 conversations last week in the night club because particular people just looked cool or caught my attention. These are usually interesting people and I appreciate talking to them.

The question here being if they appreciated it.

But a night club is a bit of a different environment than a formal one.

I think that was his point though, that the person Captain Smoker quoted was exaggerating so he provided an example.

It's creepy cuz its Trump, everyone saying this is wrong regardless of who it is is just exaggerating. Obviously, there are much better ways to word such a compliment but lets not pretend we know everyone's intent. Donny boy is an exception There's a right and wrong way let alone the right place to pay a compliment and this wasn't one of them (Donnys)

 

[Desperado]

Well, I'd say in 80% of the cases it's appreciated, I think you can tell it if the person is like "oh thank you very much, etc." or more like "ok... thanks". It always depends on the situation.

Women are fucking experts at absorbing unwanted remarks in a way that doesn't make the remark-maker uncomfortable, just FYI. I would definitely dispute your 80% estimation.

 

[hanspampel]

Bros, there is a way to talk to a lady, you're not saying to a woman that she's in a good shape or hot or anything.

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

 

[Captain Smoker]

Are you physically unable to concede that your personal experience doesn't matter? At all?

And multiple people have also stated that yhe outward reaction, seemingly positive to you (although you don't seem that good at taking hints), might not be an accurate reflection what the person actually thinks about your unsolicited comments. Maybe think on that. Jesus.

Chill, I just posted my personal experience as I said, so what? This is an internet forum, not a survey/study.

Hey look Captain Smoker is still talking about himself and his game, because that's somehow relevant to the topic right guys

Tell us more, sempai

He asked a question, I answered it.

I think it's an interesting topic because I enjoy details of social interaction / conversations, so what?


If you interpret it as "bragging about my game" and being passive aggressive because of this, that's your thing.

Women are fucking experts at absorbing unwanted remarks in a way that doesn't make the remark-maker uncomfortable, just FYI. I would definitely dispute your 80% estimation.

Well, you're free to dispute it and it includes men aswell.

 

[Desperado]

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

if by "best" you mean "poor," then yes

 

[Mahonay]

Well, I'd say in 80% of the cases it's appreciated, I think you can tell it if the person is like "oh thank you very much, etc." or more like "ok... thanks". It always depends on the situation.

Usually if I compliment someone to start a conversation it's just what it is: A nice conversation starter and the conversation continues, but it should be honest regardless, because you can tell if someone lies and I'm a pretty bad lier to boot. xD

I remember complimenting the hat of some dude a few months ago but it wasn't honest from my part, I just wanted to talk, he could tell, so the start of the conversation was pretty awkward (but that's my fault).
In the end it didn't matter because we talked about other stuff and it was a cool conversation, but I felt bad afterwards because the start was so awkward, so: never again. (I still cringe thinking about it lol)


Yes, definitely.

Lol. No. You have no idea.

 

[Damerman]

I know that it probably comes as weird from him, but from anyone else, it's normal to me.

If ur at a bar, sure. But not when u are in a diplomatic meeting.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Well, I'd say in 80% of the cases it's appreciated, I think you can tell it if the person is like "oh thank you very much, etc." or more like "ok... thanks". It always depends on the situation.

Usually if I compliment someone to start a conversation it's just what it is: A nice conversation starter and the conversation continues, but it should be honest regardless, because you can tell if someone lies and I'm a pretty bad lier to boot. xD

I remember complimenting the hat of some dude a few months ago but it wasn't honest from my part, I just wanted to talk, he could tell, so the start of the conversation was pretty awkward (but that's my fault).
In the end it didn't matter because we talked about other stuff and it was a cool conversation, but I felt bad afterwards because the start was so awkward, so: never again. (I still cringe thinking about it lol)


Yes, definitely.

lmao.

 

[platocplx]

Its not though I dont get why this is not getting though to some people.

Its wildly inappropriate. No idea how some people dont get it.

First thing out his mouth isnt about what she is as a person professionally etc. First things is that she is in good shape. He didnt do the same thing to macron lol.

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

Or how about not saying anything at all unless you actually know the woman well. He doesn't know this woman. Also the setting matters. Saying this shit in a professional setting is shitty vs being out in a completely social setting like at a bar or club. You guys really are trying so hard to be sexist is wild. lmao.

 

[slider]

She should have replied "as we're on the topic, you're overweight and orange..."

 

[Morrigan Stark]

If you interpret it as "bragging about my game" and being passive aggressive because of a this, that's your thing.

lol, how am I being passive-aggressive when I am explicitly telling you what I think? Do you even know what words mean?

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

Oh boy...

 

[Siegcram]

Chill, I just posted my personal experience as I said, so what? This is an internet forum, not a survey/study.

Then maybe consider the experiences coming from the other side of the compliment instead of handwaving them away.

But you're right that this isn't a study, since nothing about these excuses and dismissals is new or of value. Same old shit.

 

[Massicot]

"you're looking lovely today" would have given the same "compliment" without the creep factor, imo.

Edit: I see this take isn't really original.

 

[Mahonay]

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

You sound great in social settings.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

You could only imagine what Donnie would have said/done if Carla Bruni would still be the first lady.

Sarkozy would have nodded excitingly and reacted with a "You're right, you're damn right!". Maybe would have fist bumped him too or something.

 

[Kickz]

Wow her arms are sticks..

 

[Omegasquash]

It was inappropriate, period. Of the gajillion other things to say, he picked her looks.

 

[LotusHD]

80% is such a random number to come up with lmao

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

Hmm...

 

[hiim_haz]

Yikes, he's a low-quality President, that's for sure.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Wow her arms are sticks..

She's 64. Also not American.

 

[Kurdel]

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

When is the last time you interacted with a woman?

 

[danowat]

there is no way you can talk to a lady without doing it wrong in some eyes
can't say she looks good
can't say she looks bad
can't ignore a woman and don't talk to her at all
can't talk to her while seeing her as a non - gendered person and don't acknowledge her feminin side at all.

whatever you do, you can easily look bad
if people want to see you as an sexist they find several reason
best advice is to don't give a fuck and say what you want until she (and only she as the woman you're talking to) say, or give you nonverbal hints, you're acting inappropriate

Christ..........

 

[Mahonay]

Yikes, he's a low-quality President, that's for sure.

 

[KingSnake]

Reading the reply from women in this thread is pretty telling despite what some men are trying to hide behind "this is the culture of my people" or "when I do it it's not weird".

 

[Captain Smoker]

lol, how am I being passive-aggressive when I am explicitly telling you what I think? Do you even know what words mean?

Well, I interpret your last post like that. Talking about me in 3rd person and this "tell us more, sempai", come on, this is just suggesting that I'm only here to brag about my "conversation skills" or whatever.

Therefore I think I think you are interpreting my posts in the wrong way.

I genuinely had good experience with this and I like the whole topic of social dynamics / social settings / conversations, that's all.

I also understand that it may be interpreted in the wrong way, but internet language is pretty dry and people like pick particular sentences (just like me), so whatever, it's not my intention.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

if they're in target can i say they're in good shape?