Yeah, especially if certain characters become good as an assist AND on point, people will naturally gravitate towards those characters over characters that are just good as assists.
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Dragon Ball FighterZ - Characters, Specials, and Stages Discussion
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Yeah, especially if certain characters become good as an assist AND on point, people will naturally gravitate towards those characters over characters that are just good as assists.
Newniverse
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Do we have footage of a level 5 father son kameha clash with cells kameha??
Someone posted it a couple/few pages ago
I suspected that this would be the case, but since I know a lot of people get down on the auto combo I was hoping they would provide an option to turn it off. That being said, as much as I know it is a negative for some people, some excellent fighting games have had the auto combo and it did nothing to stand in the way of those games being awesome.
This has auto combos from lows, light, and mediums.
Pretty terrible, considering you can't turn them off.
But it adds nothing. You literally gain nothing by having this system in place. The game would work just as well without it. Other games also didn't shove it down your throat anywhere as much as DBFZ does.
So the only reason it exists is to make the game a dumb button masher and make sure casuals don't feel excluded or judged by picking a simple mode when they go fight better players.
I think it should be a mode selection, i don't see why it is forced upon us. I have nothing against people using it, everybody do what they want, it's all good. I personally don't want it though, it adds nothing good for me, so I don't see why I can't remove it.
yeah I think so
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Yeah! I noticed that too. but I can't tell if that's by design or we just don't know what leads to hard knockdowns. but I mean if it's not super it's hard to imagine what it could be.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was by design though to keep the gameplay fast paced
The games tag mechanics are. The battle mechanics are entirely their own thing and nothing like Marvel's.
Going back to assists, they're a big deal in Marvel because there's character inequality by design. You have some characters with incredible mobility. Air dashes, tri dashes and double jumps. Some characters have incredible long range/zoning. and then there are characters that don't have either one. That's why assists were such a big factor into matchups. Without them some characters just have no way to fight others.
I don't think DBZF has that problem because it has universal options across the entire cast. At least so far. Everyone so far has double jump. Everyone can dash through their opponents zoning with homing dash. Right now it's hard to imagine a matchup scenario where a character NEEDS a certain type of assist to fight.
I don't really think you can say roster size correlates with character variety in these games given how Marvel 2 ended up.
I really like their approach.
This thread's tone had changed a bit
I don't care for auto combos though
I am also certain it just means in a slugfest, Goku will always beat Krillin. It's not that you can't take out people with a Krilin, but you'll just need to land more hits. He will revolve around unique attacks and powerful assists.
How I see it, the base 6 fighters are meant to be your pure power characters and their worth is in dealing damage. Aside from Frieda, their assists are easy to read. If Krillin can come in and stun with Solar Flare, that could be a lot stronger in the long run than a Kamehameha assist
I don't care for auto combos though
I am also certain it just means in a slugfest, Goku will always beat Krillin. It's not that you can't take out people with a Krilin, but you'll just need to land more hits. He will revolve around unique attacks and powerful assists.
How I see it, the base 6 fighters are meant to be your pure power characters and their worth is in dealing damage. Aside from Frieda, their assists are easy to read. If Krillin can come in and stun with Solar Flare, that could be a lot stronger in the long run than a Kamehameha assist
Right, or Tien could do the Solar Flare since it's his move and Krillin could have a destructo disk as an assist which could be an unblockable. I think the possibility is there to make a fun balance, but it won't be easy. It would've been easier to make fighters more on even ground with each other and have multiple assists, but what they apparently are trying to do from their words seems more difficult but potentially pretty darn cool, imo. I just hope they execute right.
Smooth Operator
Member
The game looks beautiful, but the gameplay doesn't look really interesting atm.
And i don't like the whole "Some characters have to be weak" thing. It sucks. They should look some MvC2 videos, godlike assist + weak character isnt the way to go.
Curious to try out the beta and see what's up.
Edit : @Maximilian, i know you're reading the topic sometimes, is the homing attack that good ? Because i see everybody spamming the hell out of it and the neutral looks pretty bad atm.
And i don't like the whole "Some characters have to be weak" thing. It sucks. They should look some MvC2 videos, godlike assist + weak character isnt the way to go.
Curious to try out the beta and see what's up.
Edit : @Maximilian, i know you're reading the topic sometimes, is the homing attack that good ? Because i see everybody spamming the hell out of it and the neutral looks pretty bad atm.
Well ArcSys has made plenty of characters in other games that lack damage power but their overly unique toolset made them really strong. Like Rachel in BlazBlue may not have hard damage, but the more skillful use of her had her as one of the best because she can controller the whole stage. Jack-O in GGXrd is another example of this
This is the thing I am the most worried about. I hope they make sure to be very, very careful. However, I have faith. Worst case scenario, if they balance it super poorly, they can adjust things with a patch.
Come on, man. It isn't going to make the game a "dumb button masher". Look at Persona, using the auto combo doesn't do you any favors. The combos are crazy unoptimized and it makes you super predictable. Sure, new players use them a lot, but that only leads to their downfall. I am not going to pretend the mechanic is something I love: it isn't. If I had my say, I would remove auto combos from DBFZ. However, I don't think they are going to ruin the game.
I do still agree that they should make it something you can turn off, so I still get your frustration, but I still think you are maybe taking it a little too hard.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
It's really damn good. Safe on block, combo on hit. It can be interrupted by supers and DPs tho. This build felt mostly the same as E3. I'm sure it'll get touched up before the beta.
where I'm at.
I'm keeping an open mind, because it definitely looks like there's more they can't talk about indepth until they start revealing more characters and showing us exactly what they mean by all this. One saving grace is that it could up the chances of someone like Videl/Saiyawoman appearing on the roster, because her tools and assist may be quite different from other characters.
Hell, barring one really goo Buu player yesterday, we barely see anybody touch the surface of what the big guy is capable of. And he's the most "out there" of the 6 that they put into this build.
He's really good. That's who I used for my stream match. Crazy mixup game.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
It's not. 2H is universally air invincible on all characters rn. Should stuff homing attack every time since it doesn't look like you can alter the trajectory much at all. Just right now no one knows the game. Tournament was one round and alot of people were playing for the first time.(On xbox pad even)
Wait for beta for people to form more complete perspectives on the game. Right now people are calling Max winning off a raw cross up(?) super hype and (relatively) higher level play lol
Magnet_Man
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NoctisVsStar
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Someone legit blocked it earlier.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
That's the joke lol
I just loved how somebody already found good setups into Candy Beam.
Not able to watch now, cuz I'm out, but looking forward to seeing what I may have missed.
Announcement teased/confirmed on stream
No but they said "We like announcements at EVO!" "EVO is not over yet!" in the DBF chat
They said when?
With the idea of some characters being best in assist spots, the concept doesn't bother me. It's the execution of it that really means something in the end. Like in UMVC3, fantastic point characters get fantastic assist options, mediocre points often get... mediocre assist. They eventually did a horrible job at making a character slot feel as if "assist only" characters were fully justifiable. Partially because out of 3 assist per character, fantastic points always had fantastic assist skills too.
If having 1 assist here lets them focus on making the characters fit into great archetypes and slots, then more power too them. It's basically the theme of the current Super episodes played out in game form: power isn't everything, tactics are the more important aspect.
I like the way gameplay looks here so far. GG and BB are mostly fun for me, but something about them always feels a bit boring, or too heavily leaned on systems that don't gel with me as much as I'd like. This feels a bit more like a fusion of ASW design flare, a bit of their innovation, with some more grounded, common fighting mechanics.
FutureTrunks characters could totally throw that off, as could even certain assist types. Like I wonder if they'll have assist that buff the point characters stats, give them super armor, allow for unlimited healing, use meter to strengthen their support, or hold concerts in the background while the fight goes on (such as in Aquapazza)?
It's really interesting to see what'll happen from here. This really isn't the game's final form, at all...
If having 1 assist here lets them focus on making the characters fit into great archetypes and slots, then more power too them. It's basically the theme of the current Super episodes played out in game form: power isn't everything, tactics are the more important aspect.
I like the way gameplay looks here so far. GG and BB are mostly fun for me, but something about them always feels a bit boring, or too heavily leaned on systems that don't gel with me as much as I'd like. This feels a bit more like a fusion of ASW design flare, a bit of their innovation, with some more grounded, common fighting mechanics.
Future
It's really interesting to see what'll happen from here. This really isn't the game's final form, at all...
Magnet_Man
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YOU'RE LYING!!
Trunks is already confirmed so I hope he isn't part of the two new characters being revealed.
I have a feeling one of the two new characters will be a female character.
NoctisVsStar
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Kappa
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Watching more of the stream I think only ground combos are untechable. Anything done in the air can be air or ground teched.
but stuff like ending an air combo with something grounded like Cell's bear hug, seems to lead to an untechable knockdown.
quoting this once again for the new page
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's going to be Adult Trunk and Picolo is it?
Rynocirator
Member
Game's timer seems ridiculously long atm
FadedRevolution
Member
Trunks has already been revealed
I'm pretty sure we'll get a trailer sometime this weekend for Trunks, so he's def off the table.
Also another interesting note from the interview is how apparently lots of members from all the different teams at Arc are working on this. They also teased that they're actively making a packed, dense game, which gives me reason to think we may see a bigger starting roster than what we previously assumed. I could settle with a number in the late 20s/early 30s.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Is he? I don't feel like he got officially revealed yet?
FadedRevolution
Member
He has officially been revealed he was revealed a few weeks ago in VJump. Just because we haven't seen a trailer doesn't mean he isn't officially revealed.
He was revealed in V-Jump...would be redundant to reveal him again in the same magazine
There aren't a lot of prominent female Dragon Ball characters to choose from besides 18. Maybe they could do something for Chi Chi or Videl, and it's too soon for Caulifla or Kale.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Yeah lol. It might just be super long for demo purposes though.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I guess I missed that. All I know is that they only shown a picture of him so that's it.
FadedRevolution
Member
The attention to detail in this game is amazing they even got the Dragonball time in this game.
When you blow up Namek the timer should be set for 5 minutes, but actually act like an hour