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TIL Canada is less multi-cultural than the United States
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ST2K
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All of the numbers are wrong. Stats Canada publishes all of this stuff, so no idea where that chart came from.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Here's a random WaPo map I found from here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/
I've never actually understood what the metrics are though since if we talk purely ethnicity, the US is indeed more diverse.
That map looks off as shit. Let's forget NA for a second and think critically.
Brazil is definitely more ethnically diverse than Bolivia or Peru, how many Asian-Bolivians or Black-Peruvians are there? Brazil should be green as fuck.
France more homogeneous than Spain or Germany? I don't buy it for a second. France has a fairly decent arab and black population, especially compared to the former two countries.
Why are predominantly black countries like Congo and Angola being presented as some of the most ethnically diverse countries (i.e. the greenest ones)?
According to this map, the two most diverse countries in the world are Liberia and Uganda.
I highly question the validity of this study (if it even was a study)
Expansion Pack
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How am I the only one who noticed OP's definition of multicultural is arbitrarily limited to race and ethnicity? Most people would probably define their culture as it relates to the languages, religion, the arts, etc. Not OP though, he defines his culture solely through his melanin. smh
The numbers in the OP are wrong. Stats Canada haven't updated since 2011, so the percentages for minorities is even higher.
In regards to Africa most countries there are incredibly ethnically diverse. They're not all just "black." Liberia for example has 16 indigenous ethnicities, each of which speaks their own language.
Ethnicity != race
Abinash117
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People use race and ethnicity interchangeable. Also Hispanic is considered a ethnic group not a racial one at least according to the US census. Think like this Polish and Swedish are part of the white race, but are a different ethnic group.
Visible minorities in Canada don't count aboriginal groups, so if you want to use the US definition, it was even higher in 2011.
I could have told you this, when you move outside of the major hubs like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal...ect...the overall demographic makeup changes to White real fast.
Ethnically diverse and racial diverse are two different things.
The continent of Africa has vast genetic diversity, ridiculously so. Let's not even begin to discuss the staggering number of spoken languages there are.
Ethnically diverse and racial diverse are two different things.
The continent of Africa has vast genetic diversity, ridiculously so. Let's not even begin to discuss the staggering number of spoken languages there are.
Buba Big Guns
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2006...
And as pointed out already, the numbers on this chart are completely wrong according to stats Canada
And as pointed out already, the numbers on this chart are completely wrong according to stats Canada
More like you have no idea what you are talking about. 15-20% of Peru's population is Asian.
And for African counties, just because they have the same skin color doesn't mean they have the same culture/ethnicity. There are dozen languages being used in Uganda alone.
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No one says Canada as a whole is diverse really. It's always the cities that v are mentioned. I.e Toronto/Montreal.
crimzonflame
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Not all black people are the same. Different tribes could be totally separate ethnic groups that live in the same country. I agree with you that the study seems faulty though.
squeakywheel
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This is too old. In Vancouver alone I've seen way more Hispanic and Asian and middle eastern refugees/immigrants the past decade. Definitely hasn't caught up to the US but getting closer.
Marmaladefire
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Do you also think that people from China, Taiwan Japan, Korea, and Vietnam are all the same? Race is not ethnicity. Even in places like the US and Canada, black populations have vastly different cultures and language traits based on their origins.
Obliterator
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Isn't Vancouver a majority-minority city?
To be fair, Vancouver isn't really representative of the rest of Canada. Caucasians are almost a minority here (or they might be already, not sure).
Whether it is Canada, or Sweden, or Denmark..... lack of diversity and smaller populations are not comparable with what the US has to deal with.
These are countries with white male dominated populations.... And populations equivalent to the state of Texas. Which is maybe 15% percent of the population of the US. Congrats if you can make that work.
We are more diverse and more complex, and whatever works for you is infinitely more complicated for us.
These are countries with white male dominated populations.... And populations equivalent to the state of Texas. Which is maybe 15% percent of the population of the US. Congrats if you can make that work.
We are more diverse and more complex, and whatever works for you is infinitely more complicated for us.
Shadow Puppetry
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Damn, didn't know it was like that for Hispanic...road trip!
PHOENIXZERO
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Well, how active was Canada in the slave trade compared to the United States before it was abolished in the 1830s? I'm going to guess no where near the South, especially at its peak. Then there's Hispanic population where the U.S. Just seems like the more logical place to move to than Canada. Then there's also Puerto Rico which alone probably has around 10 times the Hispanic population of Canada. Hell, New York's Puerto Rican population is probably much, much larger than that.
crazy monkey
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Vancouver is not whole Canada.
Abinash117
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Cities are almost always more diverse than the rest of the country or nation; been that way for decades I think perhaps longer. Not really that unique for any country.
It seems so.
ST2K
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Yup.
For a point of reference, there are 10 million more Black Americans than there are Canadians of any sort.
Percentage-wise, it's surprisingly close. But the quantity involved in the US is incomparable to Canada.
Seriously? In terms of western/European countries America is crazy diverse. Take the UK, which is 87% white according to Wikipedia. The Northern European/Scandinavian countries are even more white.
Also, the US government measures ethnicity in far less granular terms than most other countries (like, say, Asian/Pacific Islander instead of Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese/Thai/etc.), because there's a much larger variety of ethnicity represented in Americans.
OG Shaka Zulu
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More Hispanics than Blacks in the US? I thought we were #2?
GuessMyUserName
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Major cities are fairly multicultural but soon as you step outside a few suburbs away you're knee-deep in snow.
According to the link, the chart you quoted represents the following:
I assume Canada has a large number of small minority groups, whereas most of the US' minority population comes from a couple of large groups. This would explain how it's possible for the US to have a higher percentage of minority, but less ethnic "fracture",
Unfortunately a lot of GAF thinks like this.
Same thing can be said for whites(and blacks outside of africa, asians and hispanics, for that matter) too though.
Irish and Italian and German and English, etc.
But that's just in terms of nations, you could go deeper and count Frisians and Basques and whatever also.
Ultimately it's just an arbitrary statistical measure that could go any way you want it based on how you draw your line.
If you are just counting non-assimilated groups that maintain their own languages, you will get a different count than if you are just counting reported ethnicity or if you are just counting genetics, and it's all pretty much irrelevant.
GameAddict411
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Not shocking at all. I always thought that Canada had similar racial composition to European countries such as the UK.
We have more immigrants than you have people and take in over a million per year.
Abinash117
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AAs are the biggest racial group and Hispanic is the biggest ethnic group. Any one race can be Hispanic and the Hispanic category includes various nationalities like Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Spanish, etc.
Apples and oranges. If the US were to measure the ethnic diversity of its citizens in as granular a way as those African countries, it would blow them out of the water with regards to ethnic diversity.
The US is much larger than Canada, it doesn't make sense to compare raw numbers to judge multi-culturalism.
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Canada has the highest immigration rate in the western world. Canada took in 270k people in 2015. The US took in just over 1 million. The US has 9x the population of Canada.
So, Canada took in 1 immigrant for every 130 people living in the country in 2015. The United States took in 1 person for every 320.
ForkNetwork
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Isnt multi-culturalism a concept that regards more than just the ethnicity?
A culture is more than just races iirc
A culture is more than just races iirc
...huh? For all US's faults, I'm pretty sure it's one of the more diverse countries.
Canada as a whole isn't as much, but isn't Toronto the most multicultural city in the world?
weirdly defensive
gutter_trash
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chart is misleading, it is basing itself only on RACE and not on ETHNCITY
is multiculraism based off diviersity of ethnicity? or race? because those are different things
is multiculraism based off diviersity of ethnicity? or race? because those are different things
As I said a few times now, the chart isn't even right. White people were 80% in the year specified. No idea where any of those numbers come from.
EDIT: The Chart shows just over 2M Asian Canadians in 2006. But there were 2.5M Asian Canadians just counting people of Chinese and South Asian descent in 2006.
EDIT2: By the 2011 census, about 15% of the Canadian population was of Asian descent. 21% in Ontario and 26% in BC. Quebec is the whitest out of the big provinces (6% asian, 13% non-white in 2011).
Wow that is a silly thing to take from my comments. I need to reread my posts just to see where you got that from. Not at all my intention.
gutter_trash
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So Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Greeks, Polish, Russians, Ukranians and etc are not considered "multicultural" according this chart because it is gauging Skin Color instead of Ethnic backhround
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