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[Caayn]

A French magazine/website allegedly obtained information about engineering samples from Intels Coffee Lake consumer CPUs. Pointing towards a sudden change in core count for Intel's mainstream line of core I CPUs after seven generations without a change in core count.

From the site:
CPU - cores/threads - frequency - L3 - TDP
i7 8700k - 6c/12t - 3.7Ghz - 12MB - 95w
i7 8700 - 6c/12t -3.2Ghz - 12MB - 95w
i5 8600k - 6/6 - 3.6Ghz - 9MB - 95w
i5 8400 - 6/6 - 2.8Ghz - 9MB - 65w

These CPUs are set to use the LGA1151 socket. Which would also mean that the LGA1151 socket is the first consumer socket in a long time to host more than two generations of Intel CPUs. (As long as the chipset will be compatible of course)

Source: https://www.cpchardware.com/coffee-lake-approche/

 

[hodgy100]

AMD got them spooked! Interesting times!

 

[FingerBang]

Thank you, AMD.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

French allegedly obtained information about engineering samples from Intels Coffee Lake consumer CPUs. Pointing towards a sudden change in core count for Intel's mainstream line of core I CPUs after seven generations without a change in core count.

From the site:
CPU - cores/threads - frequency - L3 - TDP
i7 8700k - 6c/12t - 3.7Ghz - 12MB - 95w
i7 8700 - 6c/12t -3.2Ghz - 12MB - 95w
i5 8600k - 6/6 - 3.6Ghz - 9MB - 95w
i5 8400 - 6/6 - 2.8Ghz - 9MB - 65w

These CPUs are set to use the LGA1151 socket. Which would also mean that the LGA1151 socket is the first consumer socket in a long time to host more than two generations of Intel CPUs. (As long as the chipset will be compatible of course)

Source: https://www.cpchardware.com/coffee-lake-approche/

If true this is a sign that Intel sees that AMD is a threat.

Upping the core count is something that has been long long overdue.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

They better since the only gaming thing I see at my theater is about Intel hardware.
Good that AMD have got them on notice.

 

[Diablohead]

1151 has been a good choice so far, my little £500 pc is going to last a while with these kinds of upgrades.

 

[Smokey]

This isn't entirely new news. It's been known that CL would up the core count on the mainstream platform. The rumored timing of these chips may be due to Ryzen, but not the core count.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

So if they retain the socket type, that mean Z270 boards could potentially support these (with a BIOS update and all)?

Interesting either way though

 

[LelouchZero]

This would be great, we're finally seeing good advancements for mainstream CPUs after slow progression for quite some time!

First AMD's Ryzen and now this, awesome!

 

[Mrbob]

Is 6 cores enough though. I feel like this is a half step to 8.

 

[BigEmil]

I don't think I'll ever need to upgrade from my Intel i5 4670K

 

[Duxxy3]

Interesting...

I might look to upgrade my 6500 to one of these and move the 6500 to my other machine.

 

[Diablohead]

Is 6 cores enough though. I feel like this is a half step to 8.

I'd say too many cores from intel means high heat temps, I just hope these 6 cores are cool.

 

[McHuj]

If I don't need a new MB, I'll upgrade. Otherwise, I'll ride out my 6700k for a couple generations more.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Could Intel segment their lineup even more than this? Holy shit, it'll be a case study to choose which intel CPU to pick in coming months. If it requires another socket and new mobos, that'll be rich.

 

[Sändersson]

So if they retain the socket type, that mean Z270 boards could potentially support these (with a BIOS update and all)?

Interesting either way though

Also does this mean that z170 boards could also support these?

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

Also does this mean that z170 boards could also support these?

Yeah which is good news, an viable upgrade path from an 6700k

 

[Blam]

I don't know about the same socket we will see tho.

 

[Flying Toaster]

I thought they were going to up core count anyways. Eh I guess it being more known is a good thing. Now release the damn chips.

 

[Wag]

I'm happy with my 5820k.

 

[rakkadakka]

I'm sitting here with a 2500k trying to make my next processor last as long as this one.

Please hit it out of the park Intel.

 

[ShirAhava]

Went from q6600 (2007) to i5 2400 (2012) now its time to finally leave the Quad Core ghetto!

 

[Metal Khaos]

1151 has been a good choice so far, my little £500 pc is going to last a while with these kinds of upgrades.

Same here. I had to build something quick and on a budget when my old PC crapped out. I went with an 1151 but a good i3 just to start so I could eventually upgrade.

I think I'm going to hold off for now on getting an i7 if these news ones will indeed work with 1151.

 

[horkrux]

I thought we already knew we were gonna get 6-cores next? As far as rumours go anyways. Interesting that they might use the same socket though.

But I don't want no more Boiling Lake pls

 

[TC McQueen]

If Intel uses their terrible TIM on these, they're not going to be as good a deal as Ryzen CPUs... especially if the i5-8600K is the same price as a 1600X. From what we're seeing with the 7700K, a delidding kit is practically a mandatory accessory to keep Intel chips from frying themselves.

 

[marciocdb]

I love competition!

 

[PowerThroughLov]

Not expected to work on existing motherboards. Z370 only due to pressure from motherboards vendors.

All is of course just rumored though.

 

[amardilo]

Also does this mean that z170 boards could also support these?

Yeah which is good news, an viable upgrade path from an 6700k

That would be great news!

If that is the case I'll most likely replace my 6700K with a 8700K (as long as my motherboard gets the update).

 

[Delusibeta]

The i7s getting a bump in core count in Coffee Lake was known basically as long as Coffee Lake's existence itself. That said, the top end i5s also getting a core count bump is new, and probably could be credited to Ryzen 5s doing it first, making it a better processor for that price range.

 

[Jafku]

hmmm. if it does indeed use lga 1151, I might consider an upgrade from the 7700K

 

[franklyshankly]

hmmm. if it does indeed use lga 1151, I might consider an upgrade from the 7700K

Will they even be an upgrade from a 7700K for gaming? They are clocked substantially lower.

 

[Datschge]

Intel chipsets are usually compatible for only two gens even if the socket stays the same. Coffee Lake will need a 300-series chipset.

 

[KdotIX]

I'm sitting here with a 2500k trying to make my next processor last as long as this one.

Please hit it out of the park Intel.

Also sitting on a 2500k. Hoping Intel can step it up for this next gen

 

[Sir Abacus]

If Intel uses their terrible TIM on these, they're not going to be as good a deal as Ryzen CPUs... especially if the i5-8600K is the same price as a 1600X. From what we're seeing with the 7700K, a delidding kit is practically a mandatory accessory to keep Intel chips from frying themselves.

A 1600X is all but hard capped at 4GHz for mere mortals. Delidding Intel chips are only if you're trying to push past 5GHz with custom loop. For "normal" people pushing 4.9GHz being at 60C instead of 80C doesn't have much difference. The single threaded performance is what's going to drive gaming performance and the Intel chips still have this in spades.

Will they even be an upgrade from a 7700K for gaming? They are clocked substantially lower.

There's no reason to think these won't overclock ridiculously well coming off the back of a die shrink. Also, having 6 cores on the same uncore ring is going to be a much more efficient than 2x triple core CCXs over infinity fabric.

 

[Trago]

Want to upgrade to an i7 from my 4690K. Hope these come pretty soon.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

fuck, i just got a 7700k like 3 months ago. Good for the people that need upgrades tho.

 

[Datschge]

There's no reason to think these won't overclock ridiculously well coming off the back of a die shrink.

Coffee Lake is not coming off the back of a die shrink, it's 14nm++. You may be thinking of Cannonlake.

 

[ethomaz]

My Z170 will be happy... pretty if room to upgrade in the future (actually I use a i3-6100).

 

[prag16]

Still sitting on my 2550k. Was waiting for a "mainstream" i7 with 6c/12t before I considered an upgrade necessary. You have my attention, Intel. (Not that it's in the budget any time soon just having bought a house... maybe I'll wait for the expected 10nm shrink with Cannonlake... but I don't like the first gen on new nodes.. maybe Icelake... can that little 2550k hold out that long????)

 

[jroc74]

AMD got them spooked! Interesting times!

Thank you, AMD.

Indeed.

Now the only thing that remains is price.

For me it is always about overall performance. I want more cores for better multi tasking. Ryzen is too hard to pass up right now.

Lets see how Intel responds with price...

 

[Sir Abacus]

Coffee Lake is not coming off the back of a die shrink, it's 14nm++. You may be thinking of Cannonlake.

mb. Then yeah, using the 7820X as a yardstick it should be reasonably comfortable at 4.5GHz and push on through to 4.8 with enough cooling backing it.

 

[GinoFelino]

Y'all seriously think AMD has anything to do with this? You know how long these things are in development?

fuck, i just got a 7700k like 3 months ago. Good for the people that need upgrades tho.

If only there was some way of knowing the processor would be updated again next year

 

[FriskyrumX]

AMD got them spooked! Interesting times!

So scared about them glued together dies. Lmao.

But yeah, lets see how this goes.

 

[GHG]

Finally. If this is true I will definitely do a CPU/Mobo/RAM overhaul when they come out.

 

[TC McQueen]

A 1600X is all but hard capped at 4GHz for mere mortals. Delidding Intel chips are only if you're trying to push past 5GHz with custom loop. For "normal" people pushing 4.9GHz being at 60C instead of 80C doesn't have much difference. The single threaded performance is what's going to drive gaming performance and the Intel chips still have this in spades.

The i7-7700K has a reputation for bizarre thermal issues, some of which are dealt with by delidding:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/04/intel_i77700_heat_spike_problems/

Reg reader Bastard-Wizard says that he and many other i7-7700 owners are finding that the chips will occasionally kick themselves into overdrive, running at temperatures as high as 90°C (194°F) at times. Intel says the i7-7700 will run at temperatures up to 100°C (212°F).

"My own chip suffers from it, (without any overclocking) which is quite an annoyance," our tipster writes. "This despite a delid modification and a proper water loop, resulting in the fans ramping up and down very frequently, and the temperature appearing to frequently spike near the danger zone."

The users note that these temperatures are even being seen in high-end gaming rigs with liquid cooling setups with the chips running at fairly low voltages.

"At this point though, with the temps most people are seeing, even good chips capable of hitting high clocks at low voltage still have very little headroom due to the thermal spikes these chips are displaying at even stock settings," notes user mrobscura.

Intel's response was on par with that stupid "Epyc is 4 CPUs glued together" BS from their Xeon press deck:
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

The TL;DR version is that everything checks out on Intel's end and users should not overclocked their Core i7-7700K processors, which have unlocked multipliers specifically for overclocking.

...

Intel has also never stated that it would warranty processors that have been overclocked or over-volted (though it does offer an overclocking warranty as a separate purchase). However, that isn't the part that has users all riled up. They're ticked because Intel basically shrugged off the temperature spikes as being normal, and telling them to run their unlocked CPUs at stock settings rubs salt in the wound.

Intel's lead in single-threaded performance won't outweigh the massive pain in the ass that dealing with potential thermal problems will bring, especially if Intel keeps denying there's a problem and saying it's all the user's fault for overclocking an overclocking capable chip.

 

[Sanjay]

Great news if true.

 

[jett]

Are AMD's CPUs actually selling well?

 

[TC McQueen]

Are AMD's CPUs actually selling well?

Apparently they're really popular on Amazon's listings.

 

[Killer Queen]

So if they retain the socket type, that mean Z270 boards could potentially support these (with a BIOS update and all)?

Interesting either way though

That would be nice

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Are AMD's CPUs actually selling well?

Compared to their older CPU's, yes. Intel is panicking because they used to have the whole market to themselves. When your desktop x86 market share is 90%+ you literally have nowhere to go but down. Even if AMD only clawed away 1% market share, that's a straight -1% share for Intel. AMD is apparently eating up lot more than that. If Ryzen takes away 10% market share, Intel loses a straight 10% off their top line. No wonder they are shitting themselves.