TheGreatDirector
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Star vs. the Forces of Evil |OT| I'm From Another Dimension
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Infinite Justice
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how is it going so far?
TheGreatDirector
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Good to know. Thanks!
Ginger Hail
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Pretty good start to the season. Does make me wonder how big this season's episode order was considering this is 4-8 of them depending on whether Disney orders by the half-hour or half-half-hour.
They're on record as saying that S3 and S4 will be 21 episodes each. What we aren't totally sure about is whether those are in 22-minute increments or 11-minute. We're definitely getting a mix of both, so it's probably safer to assume it's 22 and that 1 episode = double-billing of 11-minute stories.
4 is a cutie
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Loved it!
Is Glossaryck trapped in that place for good?
iRAWRasaurus
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I enjoyed it. There is no way
toffee is gone for good.
Well...
we did see Eclipsa's crystal beginning to crack. The terms of her contract with Moon was that she would be set free when Toffee was dead. She also mentioned that nothing could stand in the way of a contract between two Queens, in regards to Rhombulus' crystal being unbreakable.
Infinite Justice
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man i want to click on those spoilers D:
Saucycarpdog
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Awesome start to a new season. Can't say I'm not excited for what's to come!
And holy s%$& does DXP have an identity crisis!
And holy s%$& does DXP have an identity crisis!
TheGreatDirector
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Shiiiiet that was a great way to kick off the season. I really like that new ending theme. It evokes strong Sailor Moon vibes.
Chained Prometheus
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Honestly, the whole movie reminded me a lot of Sailor Moon. I think people tend to forget how dark that series could get at times. But yeah, that new ending theme was fantastic. Very exciting to listen to, tbh.
I'm very curious to see how the whole thing with Eclipsa plays out. I really do feel like it could go either way with her being the new main villain or being an unexpected ally.
I'm leaning more towards the latter right now though, as I get the feeling that she was probably manipulating Moon from the moment she came to for their negotiation. Every action she makes- even the humorous "B-4" candy bar request she starts off with- feels like it's all building up to something. Like, for the aforementioned example, notice how it's only after Moon's given her the candy bar that she bothers to pull her arm out of the crystal... which seems like it was something Eclipsa would need to do in order to make that contract with Moon.
But in any case, I'm very excited to see more of her as a character.
I'm leaning more towards the latter right now though, as I get the feeling that she was probably manipulating Moon from the moment she came to for their negotiation. Every action she makes- even the humorous "B-4" candy bar request she starts off with- feels like it's all building up to something. Like, for the aforementioned example, notice how it's only after Moon's given her the candy bar that she bothers to pull her arm out of the crystal... which seems like it was something Eclipsa would need to do in order to make that contract with Moon.
But in any case, I'm very excited to see more of her as a character.
Are they going to update the opening?
Battle for mewny spoilers
Battle for mewny spoilers
Now that the wand is fixed and Ludo is no longer possessed by Toffee the new opening is already outdated, if they don't change it it'll be silly if it's used for the rest of the season, they could have kept the original opening with an updated final shot of the characters.
Chained Prometheus
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Oh yeah, definitely.
Eclipsa is definitely going to be a part of the picture moving forward now.
I'd probably prefer to see her as more of a dark ally too, but I can't shake off the feeling she's a Big Bad in all of this. I think it'd be more original and interesting if she's not evil though.
I'd probably prefer to see her as more of a dark ally too, but I can't shake off the feeling she's a Big Bad in all of this. I think it'd be more original and interesting if she's not evil though.
I definitely think they're going to update the opening.
Man, this didnt disappoint, loved it, wish we could have seen more
, but i can't complain.
I was surprised because, you know, modern cartoons try to avoid "death", "dead", "kill" etc but here they were dropping the words left and right and
I find interesting that
because i assumed they were gonna do it a season long plot
Love the new ending, just makes me futher believe the entire season takes place on Mewni, since they're ditching the "yay earth!" song.
Star in butterfly form
I was surprised because, you know, modern cartoons try to avoid "death", "dead", "kill" etc but here they were dropping the words left and right and
Toffee's death/regenerations looked a bit gruesome
I find interesting that
Toffee was killed off
And saving Eclipsa for Season 4.
Love the new ending, just makes me futher believe the entire season takes place on Mewni, since they're ditching the "yay earth!" song.
We already know it's gonna be updated, we just haven't seen it animated yet. A recent article posted a screenshot from the show OP
where you can see Star's new wand in all it's glory
Saucycarpdog
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Are there more episodes next Saturday?
Double Donut
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Oh man that was great. Slightly disappointed at the ending but I've got a theory on it.
Toffee clearly had a goal. He wouldn't go through aaaaall this trouble just to get a finger back and walk into the distance slowly. This - him dying - was the endgame the whole time. He knew he had to die to free Eclipsa, so this was all planned from the start.
Sad as it is to see Toffee go (I'm honestly a bit devastated, I thought he'd be the running antagonist for the whole season) I'm excited to see what kind of grand master plan Eclipsa's got. Maybe it'll involve reviving Toffee, who knows.
Sad as it is to see Toffee go (I'm honestly a bit devastated, I thought he'd be the running antagonist for the whole season) I'm excited to see what kind of grand master plan Eclipsa's got. Maybe it'll involve reviving Toffee, who knows.
Actually hmmm... thinking it over more, Toffee had the universe with no magic. That was probably his endgame actually. No magic, he was truly immortal. I don't think he'd be able to predict Glossaryck being in some magic purgatory and powering up Star... he did seem genuinely shocked to see Star's beam. Crap... he really is dead isn't he? :'(
Well, both theories could work
Remember,
We already know Mewmans are actually the invading force to the land of monsters, they slaughtered the monster population with their magical superiority, so eliminating magic to give Monsters the advantage and RECLAIM their land and driving the Mewmans away could very much ave been Toffee's end game
However, Eclipsa was married to a monster, it's also completely plausible that his end game was to bring back the Monster's greatest ally to tip the power balance to their side,
the interesting thing about this is that this doesn't mean necessarily that Toffee or the lizards are evil, while the Butterflys have long branded Eclipsa a traitor and made her chapter forbidden, it's highly likely that Eclipsa realized Mewmans wronged the monsters and she was trying to unite both races to bring peace, but we have seen that Mewmans are incredibly racist towards monsters.
This all ties in with the recurring theme of Star being "too much like Eclipsa", but what if that's not a bad thing? Star actually being willing to associate, befriend and have diplomacy with monsters shows that Eclipsa might not have been the villian history paint her as, Toffee's end game could have been bringing back the Queen of Mewni who would bring peace to Monsters AND Mewmans.
However, Eclipsa was married to a monster, it's also completely plausible that his end game was to bring back the Monster's greatest ally to tip the power balance to their side,
the interesting thing about this is that this doesn't mean necessarily that Toffee or the lizards are evil, while the Butterflys have long branded Eclipsa a traitor and made her chapter forbidden, it's highly likely that Eclipsa realized Mewmans wronged the monsters and she was trying to unite both races to bring peace, but we have seen that Mewmans are incredibly racist towards monsters.
This all ties in with the recurring theme of Star being "too much like Eclipsa", but what if that's not a bad thing? Star actually being willing to associate, befriend and have diplomacy with monsters shows that Eclipsa might not have been the villian history paint her as, Toffee's end game could have been bringing back the Queen of Mewni who would bring peace to Monsters AND Mewmans.
coff. coff. But any theory is a valid as this. >.>;;
Watching this a second time, I'm not crazy about Marco leaving the resistance members in the dungeon. It doesn't seem in his character to leave them there... They'll probably be after him in season 3.
Also not crazy about Ludo ending up in the void again. I guess it leaves things open for focus on Eclipsa, so they can have a balance of StarCo shenanigans and Eclipsa episodes without bloat of another baddie.
Also not crazy about Ludo ending up in the void again. I guess it leaves things open for focus on Eclipsa, so they can have a balance of StarCo shenanigans and Eclipsa episodes without bloat of another baddie.
I liked "the resastonce" characters but I don't think Patrick Stump will reprise his role as Ruberiot indefinitely throughout Season 3... seems expensive budget-wise. I'd be glad to be wrong though, him and Foolduke at each other's throats were a delight.
As for Ludo, was hoping for him to finally get redeemed for finding out he was just a pawn the whole time, reuniting with his parents, etc. I guess that can come later.
Also did anyone spot Mina in the background of the temple in Book Be Gone? So she's back on Mewni now, I guess?
As for Ludo, was hoping for him to finally get redeemed for finding out he was just a pawn the whole time, reuniting with his parents, etc. I guess that can come later.
Also did anyone spot Mina in the background of the temple in Book Be Gone? So she's back on Mewni now, I guess?
Saucycarpdog
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She's obviously hiding until the Ducktales premiere.Also did anyone spot Mina in the background of the temple in Book Be Gone? So she's back on Mewni now, I guess?
They seemed perfectly happy having Marco killed so long as they could keep singing, so no sympathies from me.
Except for Mime Gal. She obviously wasn't singing, seemed the most eagerly helpful toward Marco and those tears when Marco abandons her, poor lady. I loved Mime Gal.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I finally got into this show earlier this year and glad I did when I did, forgot the new season was starting yesterday so going to try to catch some of the playbacks.
Happy to be on board for season 3.
Happy to be on board for season 3.
iRAWRasaurus
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O yeah, once you mention that.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
To be honest,
I'm fine with Toffee being done and over with. I thought he was a good villain but to be honest I have never been big on him being the BIG baddie, while I loved some of the scenes with him in this Season 3 opening and I think this portrayed him in a more disgusting, creepy, and pure evil way than he'd been expressed previously, I am fine with new bigger villains to take his place and I think it was a fitting end for him.
MisterGrey3000
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The stuff they did with Toffee near the end of the event was surprisingly gruesome. I can't believe they got away with showing his horrifically burned (??), melting body after Star kamehameha'd him. Yuck!
Anyways, that was an absolutely awesome way to kick off season 3.
I'm really loving that new outro btw, it's very dramatic and anime-esque.
RedHoodedOwl
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Is it wrong that I think Star is irritating?
Infinite Stars
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I mean, I definitely think that
Toffee killed Moon's mother for some reason, because otherwise it makes no sense. This is a monster who had an entire plan to get Star to destroy her wand that took 15 steps or so. For him to have just decided "Screw the Mewman's" is completely off to me, especially since I'd imagine that wouldn't be tolerated as a general.
I think Eclipsa and him are tied together,
but I do think that the narrative seems to be building that both are "Ends Justify the Means". Star(and even Moon, from the board game scene) coming to terms with the issues that the Monsters face is a pretty big plot point I can imagine coming back up.
I think Eclipsa and him are tied together,
but I do think that the narrative seems to be building that both are "Ends Justify the Means". Star(and even Moon, from the board game scene) coming to terms with the issues that the Monsters face is a pretty big plot point I can imagine coming back up.
RedHoodedOwl
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I don't think is the series is finished with Toffee.
She really is at her worst this episode but I wanna see what
nearly dying
Toffee seems pretty dead now Eclipsa is coming back. Though I am beginning to wonder what the central plot truly is now Toffee is gone. The Mewman/Monster war?
Saucycarpdog
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I think eclipsa will become the main baddie by the end of the season but I highly doubt the show is completely done with Toffee yet. I too think that perhaps Toffee and Eclipsa are working together or are somehow linked.
They still have yet to explain how Toffee became so knowledgeable in the butterfly family's magic. Who told him all of that?
The one thing this show never really seems to do is directly state what the threads of all this lore are really about.
Most of the questions I have here only arise because the show seems to lean very hard into "showing" and not "telling" most of the information pertaining to it's lore, which makes it a little confusing to interpret what the story as a whole is trying to convey to me
Like why did Toffee losing his finger seem to end the Monster war? Why was his goal specifically to get his finger back all of these years? How exactly did he get into the wand? Did he split the wand in two on purpose? Did he let Ludo take the second half of the wand on purpose? Why could he seemingly only control Ludo sometimes? How did he even know he would get into the wand, or know all of the intimate details of the Butterfly history and spells? Why did he kill Moon's mother? Toffee's goal seemed to be corrupting/destroying all of magic, but this is never directly stated. I assume Toffee's ultimate goal is to let the Monsters take over Mewni, by removing magic from the equation, but how is he knowledgeable about all the details of his plan? And is his plan actually over? Are we to assume he is actually dead? Are we to assume he died on purpose, possibly to let Eclypsa escape? Is Toffee somehow linked to Eclypsa?
Most of the questions I have here only arise because the show seems to lean very hard into "showing" and not "telling" most of the information pertaining to it's lore, which makes it a little confusing to interpret what the story as a whole is trying to convey to me
RPG_Fanatic
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For this season opener, I think that is a fair assessment to make.
Star really didn't understand the seriousness of the situation. She thought she could just walk up and kill Toffee with no problem for most of the episodes. Honestly, I would say Star didn't even deserve the win. She got really lucky that she was able to dip down at the end there and pull the victory out of her wand.
The start of season 3 was great and fun to watch. First we had Moon's struggle to keep Star safe. Star really needs to learn patience and discretion. Charging Toffee without a plan when he holds all the cards is reckless at best and suicidal at worst. It took Moon confessing that Toffee killed Star's grandmother and talking about how she defeated Toffee to get Star to stay put. There goes all those ideas that Toffee and Moon had any sort of friendly relationship before the war. I am not surprised he was a General, considering how smart he is and how he was able to lead so easily. Monsters don't really understand magic, so I can accept the army getting spooked when Moon cut off Toffee's finger and stopped it from regenerating. I was expecting a spell from Eclipsa's chapter of the book, but I didn't think Moon would have made a deal with Eclipsa herself to use it. The whole corruption thing she had going on with her veins was also worrying. On the plus side, seeing Moon and River interact as teenagers was adorable.
I had to roll my eyes a bit with Marco being so dramatic before using his dimensional scissors to visit Star all calm. Also, we now have definite conformation that Mrs. Diaz where the pants in the family.
The Ludo part was unexpected. I didn't think that Ludo would burn the book, or that Glossaryck would go with it. Clearly Toffee wanted him gone so only he could influence Ludo. With the party hard strategy River employed, I can't say I am surprised with how fast Ludo took over the castle. Marco's role after that make me think of Persona 5 and the phantom thieves. With him sneaking around the castle and trying to save the day.
We got to see some more of the divide between Monster and Meumens when Moon and Star took refuge with Buff frog. Both sides seem to have propaganda based games and stories to make them hate the other side. That is something I would like to learn more about. I was shaking my head over Star rushing in without a plan. That and not even considering Ludo/Toffee a threat at still.
Things got really interesting towards the end, with Star using the whispering spell again to dive in after Toffee. Unfortunately Toffee was in full control and Star was trapped. This let Toffee get his finger back and finally become whole again. I wonder if the regeneration there was caused by getting his finger back or if he could have regenerated over Ludo any time he wanted.
I was not expecting Marco to punch a whole in Toffee's chest. That was quite brutal for him. Also part of me couldn't think no Marco, that is not how you steal someone's twisted desires of the heart. When everything was at its darkest, Star was able to super saiyan it up and blast Toffee.
This is where I am conflicted. Is Toffee dead or not? Toffee obviously had a big plan. Part of that was causing the fritz and disrupting magic everywhere. Does his end game involve freeing Eclipsa, so he choose to die? Did he leave a part of him behind before returning to taunt the group? We have seen how fast he can regenerate when he wants to and the show make sure to hammer home his race is considered immortal. Star also didn't use a dark spell to blast Toffee. While Eclipsa's crystal is cracked, it is not broken yet.
Basically, everything is back to normal now. I feel bad for Ludo at this point. He is even exiling himself again to reflect on himself. I hope he returns again. With everything settled, will Star return to Earth? Marco doesn't have to worry about never seeing Star again and can go back and forth with his scissors. I am curious to see what the new status quo will be. It is hard to say how much time passed. From River perspective, days have gone by, but it not apparent how much time has passed from Star's and Marco's perspective. There is also the reaction to Star's confession to see more of. I am curious to see how Jackie took it and Janna also looked worried about how Jackie would react.
The start of season 3 was great and fun to watch. First we had Moon's struggle to keep Star safe. Star really needs to learn patience and discretion. Charging Toffee without a plan when he holds all the cards is reckless at best and suicidal at worst. It took Moon confessing that Toffee killed Star's grandmother and talking about how she defeated Toffee to get Star to stay put. There goes all those ideas that Toffee and Moon had any sort of friendly relationship before the war. I am not surprised he was a General, considering how smart he is and how he was able to lead so easily. Monsters don't really understand magic, so I can accept the army getting spooked when Moon cut off Toffee's finger and stopped it from regenerating. I was expecting a spell from Eclipsa's chapter of the book, but I didn't think Moon would have made a deal with Eclipsa herself to use it. The whole corruption thing she had going on with her veins was also worrying. On the plus side, seeing Moon and River interact as teenagers was adorable.
I had to roll my eyes a bit with Marco being so dramatic before using his dimensional scissors to visit Star all calm. Also, we now have definite conformation that Mrs. Diaz where the pants in the family.
The Ludo part was unexpected. I didn't think that Ludo would burn the book, or that Glossaryck would go with it. Clearly Toffee wanted him gone so only he could influence Ludo. With the party hard strategy River employed, I can't say I am surprised with how fast Ludo took over the castle. Marco's role after that make me think of Persona 5 and the phantom thieves. With him sneaking around the castle and trying to save the day.
We got to see some more of the divide between Monster and Meumens when Moon and Star took refuge with Buff frog. Both sides seem to have propaganda based games and stories to make them hate the other side. That is something I would like to learn more about. I was shaking my head over Star rushing in without a plan. That and not even considering Ludo/Toffee a threat at still.
Things got really interesting towards the end, with Star using the whispering spell again to dive in after Toffee. Unfortunately Toffee was in full control and Star was trapped. This let Toffee get his finger back and finally become whole again. I wonder if the regeneration there was caused by getting his finger back or if he could have regenerated over Ludo any time he wanted.
I was not expecting Marco to punch a whole in Toffee's chest. That was quite brutal for him. Also part of me couldn't think no Marco, that is not how you steal someone's twisted desires of the heart. When everything was at its darkest, Star was able to super saiyan it up and blast Toffee.
This is where I am conflicted. Is Toffee dead or not? Toffee obviously had a big plan. Part of that was causing the fritz and disrupting magic everywhere. Does his end game involve freeing Eclipsa, so he choose to die? Did he leave a part of him behind before returning to taunt the group? We have seen how fast he can regenerate when he wants to and the show make sure to hammer home his race is considered immortal. Star also didn't use a dark spell to blast Toffee. While Eclipsa's crystal is cracked, it is not broken yet.
Basically, everything is back to normal now. I feel bad for Ludo at this point. He is even exiling himself again to reflect on himself. I hope he returns again. With everything settled, will Star return to Earth? Marco doesn't have to worry about never seeing Star again and can go back and forth with his scissors. I am curious to see what the new status quo will be. It is hard to say how much time passed. From River perspective, days have gone by, but it not apparent how much time has passed from Star's and Marco's perspective. There is also the reaction to Star's confession to see more of. I am curious to see how Jackie took it and Janna also looked worried about how Jackie would react.
The wait for new episodes will be long and hard. Also, I was pleasantly surprised with how fast the new episodes popped up on Canada iTunes, considering the delay for the Star Bomb episodes.
"Almost died", they say...
Shame about Glossy. He's never been
before so no wonder it was new to him.
Friendly reminder that the Star/Marco Livechat thingy will be later today at 4:30pm (EST? PST? They're in California, so...) during a Battle For Mewni rerun. Expecting a lot of questions about what happened in the movie. We're also going to be shown a sneak-peak at later S3 episodes so you might want to tune in.
EDIT: well that was interesting. Also Star Vs. confirmed to come back in November.
Youtube archive of the livechat
spoilers for the livechat:
You can see the extremely brief Season 3 teasing at the very end.
Shame about Glossy. He's never been
deceased
Friendly reminder that the Star/Marco Livechat thingy will be later today at 4:30pm (EST? PST? They're in California, so...) during a Battle For Mewni rerun. Expecting a lot of questions about what happened in the movie. We're also going to be shown a sneak-peak at later S3 episodes so you might want to tune in.
EDIT: well that was interesting. Also Star Vs. confirmed to come back in November.
Youtube archive of the livechat
spoilers for the livechat:
Star is an asswoman confirmed
You can see the extremely brief Season 3 teasing at the very end.
TheGreatDirector
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Saucycarpdog
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November, really? Hopefully it's worth the wait.
Saucycarpdog
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The price of bombs.
SigmasonicX
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(Why are we using spoiler tags?)
First episode (22 minutes) was great.
Second episode was dragged out by comedy scenes that didn't really work for me. In the first half, the stuff with Ludo was sad, but it took too long to get to the point.
Third episode was better, but there were still dragged out comedy scenes that took away from it, particularly with the artists. I liked Moon's scene with Buff Frog.
Fourth episode was good with the Toffee scenes, but I didn't like his defeat, and the way everyone turned out to be fine.
Overall, it started strong, but I was a bit disappointed by the end result. Considering Moon's flashback, it's strange how little of that actually came into play in the last episode; it's really just Eclipsa that was relevant. Why was Toffee important? How did he gain magical powers? I imagine we'll get some answer in the future, since I doubt Toffee is actually gone, but I think it was a mistake to have his "death" be so definitive given that.
I agree with RPG_Fanatic that it didn't feel like Star deserved that win. She didn't understand the gravity of the situation for a long time, got her ass kicked by the spider, and she bumbled her way into success.
Still not a fan of the opening changes, but it looks like it will have to change again anyway. The new ending is great.
Second episode was dragged out by comedy scenes that didn't really work for me. In the first half, the stuff with Ludo was sad, but it took too long to get to the point.
Third episode was better, but there were still dragged out comedy scenes that took away from it, particularly with the artists. I liked Moon's scene with Buff Frog.
Fourth episode was good with the Toffee scenes, but I didn't like his defeat, and the way everyone turned out to be fine.
Overall, it started strong, but I was a bit disappointed by the end result. Considering Moon's flashback, it's strange how little of that actually came into play in the last episode; it's really just Eclipsa that was relevant. Why was Toffee important? How did he gain magical powers? I imagine we'll get some answer in the future, since I doubt Toffee is actually gone, but I think it was a mistake to have his "death" be so definitive given that.
I agree with RPG_Fanatic that it didn't feel like Star deserved that win. She didn't understand the gravity of the situation for a long time, got her ass kicked by the spider, and she bumbled her way into success.
Still not a fan of the opening changes, but it looks like it will have to change again anyway. The new ending is great.
Saucycarpdog
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So to recap Toffee's plan up until this point:
Let me know if I missed something.
He went rogue during the war in order to kill the queen and keep the war going. Probably because he didn't want the treaty signed and thought the monsters deserved to rule mewni or deserved all to the land back that mewni people took from them. Then Queen Moon uses her spell on him which cause his army to freak out and scatter and even causes him to retreat.
From that period to now we don't know what Toffee was up to but somehow he learned the Royal family's magic history and secrets. We can at least determine that he sought this knowledge out because that same magic is what caused his defeat so he wanted to learn more about it. This lead to him finding out about the secret behind the whispering spell which was that it banished the nearest person(s) into the wand after being cast.
Toffee gets Star to cast the spell which transports him into the wand and allows him to corrupt all of the magic in Mewni and cause the Magical Fritz. It's probably assumed that he did this in order to end the magical advantage mewnians had over the monsters. During this time Ludo came upon the other half of the wand and Toffee seized on the opportunity to manipulate him in order to help with his mission. Toffee guides Ludo to steal the book and read upon a few of the forbidden spells in Eclipsa's chapter. This allows him to take control of Ludo and the wand. We don't know exactly what spells he read upon but we know one of them allowed him to steal magic from other magical beings.
Toffee then ambushes Moon and the Magical High Council and swiftly defeats them and steals their magic. Toffee from here seaks out to revive himself. Fast forward a little bit where he gets Ludo to take over the mewni castle and declares himself king. Toffee revives himself by using Star as a hostage and proceeds to........well.....walk away? Really unclear what his future plan was from there. Perhaps he thought, what with the magic corrupted and the royal castle destroyed, monsters taking over would be an inevitability.
As people have already stated, it's unlikely that he's dead but it didn't seem like he had a plan in case he died again. Perhaps that slime wasn't supposed to represent his liquified remains but that he's actually made of magical goop now. If this is true, than he maybe truly is unkillable now and can keep bringing himself back as long as magic exists. Interesting thought.
From that period to now we don't know what Toffee was up to but somehow he learned the Royal family's magic history and secrets. We can at least determine that he sought this knowledge out because that same magic is what caused his defeat so he wanted to learn more about it. This lead to him finding out about the secret behind the whispering spell which was that it banished the nearest person(s) into the wand after being cast.
Toffee gets Star to cast the spell which transports him into the wand and allows him to corrupt all of the magic in Mewni and cause the Magical Fritz. It's probably assumed that he did this in order to end the magical advantage mewnians had over the monsters. During this time Ludo came upon the other half of the wand and Toffee seized on the opportunity to manipulate him in order to help with his mission. Toffee guides Ludo to steal the book and read upon a few of the forbidden spells in Eclipsa's chapter. This allows him to take control of Ludo and the wand. We don't know exactly what spells he read upon but we know one of them allowed him to steal magic from other magical beings.
Toffee then ambushes Moon and the Magical High Council and swiftly defeats them and steals their magic. Toffee from here seaks out to revive himself. Fast forward a little bit where he gets Ludo to take over the mewni castle and declares himself king. Toffee revives himself by using Star as a hostage and proceeds to........well.....walk away? Really unclear what his future plan was from there. Perhaps he thought, what with the magic corrupted and the royal castle destroyed, monsters taking over would be an inevitability.
As people have already stated, it's unlikely that he's dead but it didn't seem like he had a plan in case he died again. Perhaps that slime wasn't supposed to represent his liquified remains but that he's actually made of magical goop now. If this is true, than he maybe truly is unkillable now and can keep bringing himself back as long as magic exists. Interesting thought.
Let me know if I missed something.
You pretty much nailed it.
The only thing missing is
within the context of what we know, him dying either on purpose to bring Eclipsa back or unexpectedly thinking he already won both make sense so him surviving or not could go either way.
Infinite Justice
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Was able to check this out and i liked it. That last part was very creepy and its crazy how much they can get away with presumably because of not using a certain color.
Have a bunch of questions though which hopefully they will address once it returns in November.
Have a bunch of questions though which hopefully they will address once it returns in November.
Also liked the indirect callback to Star's Princess Song episode in that they embellish the accomplishments of the Queens as they showed what really happened vs Toffee compared to the picture.
RedHoodedOwl
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Did anyone noticed that Toffee's decaying body looked like the Tarman from Return of The Living Dead?
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