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Dragon Ball fans, how do you feel about the inclusion of GT content in future games?
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Why does SSJ4 cause Goku to grow leather pants?
The thing is there are JUST enough fans that buy just enough merchandise that I am confident they will keep it canon for the foreseeable future. Which is a bit sad as I am curious where DBS might be able to go otherwise.
Monochromaticx
Member
meh
whatever
whatever
GT had some of the coolest story ideas, but the execution was just butt for the most part. I'm fine with them being in the games, though.
And then he becomes an adult when he goes SSJ4 lol. It makes no sense at all.
And then he becomes an adult when he goes SSJ4 lol. It makes no sense at all.
That's not how canon works though? I mean if the majority want it in games and stuff, that's ultimately whatever, but that doesn't make it canon lol
Otherwise by that logic, Broly would be canon too
I think it's because Toriyama didn't work on GT. The manga ended with Z, and GT didn't have a manga. Super has a manga and a show and is made by Toriyama.
When I was a kid watching this show I was constantly asking myself this question.
Super basically de-canons GT. Only way GT can be canon now is if everyone gets depowered and forgets about everything that's happened in Super lol. Could just say GT is one of the universes I guess, though
Lilalaunebaer
Member
I don´t like GT the show. Inclusion of some cool characters/transformations in games are fine by me.
The Super manga isn't made by Toriyama though. Just the general story, which is then being adapted by the anime and manga teams separately (which is why there are sometimes big differences between the two).
Universes don't really work that way in Dragon Ball. The twin universe will have similarities, but not the same characters.
That was about the popularity. As for the canon stuff we have
Super:
-Outline on a piece of paper by Toriyama
-Characters designed by him
-Main focus on the anime (I know there is a manga too but its mostly to push the anime)
-Made for fanservice and to grab money by Toei.
GT
-Outline on a piece of paper by Toriyama
-Characters designed by him (even that hated Mustache Vegeta)
-Main focus on the anime (if it was made today maybe they'd throw in some manga too)
-Made for fanservice and to grab money by Toei.
As for Broly he kinda is canon at this point, maybe they will never mention him by name but having his face in every kind of game and making Kale which is EXACTLY him kinda makes Broly a legit character.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Some people like comics such as Superman: Red Son or Batman vs Dracula. Doesn't make them canon. Kai replaced Z and Super replaced GT you know this.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Good luck trying to find a definitive Dragon Ball canon .
There has never been an official canon timeline ever released so the best you can say is that Super and GT are two separate continuities since they both contradict each other.
There has never been an official canon timeline ever released so the best you can say is that Super and GT are two separate continuities since they both contradict each other.
The same way that Brolly is canon because people love it, despite his story arc ocurring in an impossible to conciliate with the main story moment.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Seeing GT fans hating on Super just affirms that I am on the right side of history.
I don't really care if they add it in or not, but I'm definitely not interested in GT content myself. I've thought most of the designs looked like trash from the onset.
I don't really care if they add it in or not, but I'm definitely not interested in GT content myself. I've thought most of the designs looked like trash from the onset.
Theoretically you could place it in the 10 days before the Cell Games. Most of the movies can fit somewhere in the timeline but it does require a stretch.
Piccolo is always watching Goku in the distance, and using his clothes beam on him as he transforms
If Piccolo can create a passage from Hell to Earth by shooting a beam that connects to Dende's beam, anything is possible.
Being in Hell amplifies the clothes beam, theoretically.
Even from Hell? 🤔
Unknown One
Member
If Goku can read minds and know everything that transpired in the android saga in his sleep, he can make magic pants.
roflwaffles
Member
They should add Bra, Form 7 Cooler, and Gast from DBM.
DBM is the true post-DBZ content.
DBM is the true post-DBZ content.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I have my problems with GT as much as the next person, I think Super is leagues better, but it's part of Dragon Ball's history, it has some cool ideas even if they aren't executed well, so why not include them in games? More content is better than nothing. My only issue would be if GT stuff is included and Super isn't. That would upset me.
I hope Xenoverse 3 adds GT and Super story content.
If I don't get a mission or PQ where Kale and Broly are next to each other screaming Kakarot or Goku, then I don't want to live in that world.
I hope Xenoverse 3 adds GT and Super story content.
If I don't get a mission or PQ where Kale and Broly are next to each other screaming Kakarot or Goku, then I don't want to live in that world.
In XV3, we need a scene where Kale and Broly hug each other like Zamasu and Black hugged each other.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Its from a alternate timeline where Dragon Ball became a garbage anime series.
Omega Shenron looks cool. The idea of the Dragon Balls going corrupt and giving birth to evil Shadow Dragons is a cool concept. The Shadow Dragon saga was the only thing I appreciated in GT to be honest.
redmetal86
Member
Sure there is. Watch this.
Bardock: Father of Goku -> Path to Power -> Earth's Special Forces -> Dragonball Z movies -> Jump Ultimate Stars -> GT -> Dragonball Online
Tada! Give me a cookie.
ArchedThunder
Banned
No they can't, that's not how the universes work.
Harken Raiser
Banned
I hear Hitler was a GT fan.
Didn't Piccolo get trapped in Hell for all eternity? That is legitimately the worst thing to happen in GT.
He hated Fusion Reborn though.
He barely shows up in GT and suddenly there's an emotional goodbye with him, lol.
Harken Raiser
Banned
GT fans hate anything better than GT.
This is important. There's so much new that can be added from Super.
We just had 60+ new characters revealed in the current arc, plus all the gods, their angels, and their Kai's. That's not counting the Future Trunks arc and the Universe 6 tournament. Super's content that has never been in DB games prior is growing and growing. Soon we could have a whole game based on just Super's content. Every game is going to have a fountain of new stuff as long as Super exists.
GT doesn't give us nearly as many characters, A few wasted attempts at unique characters, some cool ones like Rildo, Baby, and a few of the shadow Dragons. The rest are forgettable, and there just aren't that many.
Old iconic characters in Z have new moves in Super, like Krillin, and 18. 17 is stronger which helps in the story mode. Future Trunks has several new forms. Gohan is back to relevancy and has new moves, plus mystic has changed from how games have used it prior. Roshi is being pushed more so devs will have to start incorporating him in games more. Whether or not Yamcha is a joke in Super, he's popular, people love to laugh at him, it'll keep him relevant and in games. Goku Black is a new string of Goku completely. It's not an improved Goku, it's a new Goku from the ground up that plays completely differently, and minus the Kamehameha, and IT, has new moves. Frieza in games will be used differently now, due to him being more fleshed out. Not only does Super add new content, it revitalizes old characters.
At best GT improves Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, Uub, and Goten. We don't talk about 17 and Pan..
A lot of people joke that Super's content exists for the sole purpose of video games, but a lot of Super's new moves, new unique locations, have that video game feel.
The worst thing was his interaction with Baby Gohan, literally just shows up, I think he says something about stopping Gohan, then Gohan fucks up his world. This all happens in a span of 30 seconds. No emotion, no tension, no cool Piccolo moment. But Piccolo trapped in hell is a close second.
And yet one horribly contradicts the other...
Again, him being a character that people like and has been in lots of games does not make him canon. Kale is an obvious nod towards him, but it does not explicitly prove he's canon.
That said, I'm not gonna act all revisionist and pretend as if there was never a time when GT characters were a lot more accepted and what not, but... that doesn't mean they were ever canon.
Well that's the thing. Ideally if everyone's favorite characters could get in, then no one would complain, outside of those that really, really hate GT I guess. I guess the general way people would feel GT characters were robbing a potential slot for a Super character would be if anything more than SS4, Omega Shenron, and maybe Pan made it into a game. But for me, that's only if the game in question boasts a large roster. For something like DBFZ, which is guaranteed to have a much smaller one, anything more than SS4 Goku would be irritating to see, and even that's arguably pushing it for some. And the longer Super goes on (including the dub), the more the sentiment will grow in terms of people wanting to ensure that the newer characters make it in.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Toriyama continues to write new outlines and do new character designs for every arc of Super and supervises the storyboards for the anime and manga. For GT he only did the initial cast designs and literally nothing more.
This is really one of my favorite things about having a new Dragon Ball show. Ever since Dragon Ball games really started to take off (PS2 era) we haven't had an on-going show like this. Finally after all these years there's fresh material we can add to the games. The series desperately needs it.
As far as DBF goes, I get why they're focusing on Z. They can't realistically have a huge roster for the first game, so it makes sense for now. However, once we get to game 2 and 3, and if there ever is a Xenoverse 3, I bet that's when we're really going to start seeing Super content. We've only dipped our toes into it so far.
The Silver
Member
Omega looks like DB AF fanart.
And that's all the shadow dragons were, a great concept, executed like shit with the only decent characters among them being Eis and Nova. I still can't believe that came up with that great idea only to have 3 of them worth a damn and have Goku take them all on instead of utilizing the rest of the cast, smh.
I don't think Toriyama outlined the story for GT. He did however help draw things and even come up with the logo and name GT "Grand Touring." He's overall positive about GT though and thinks the staff did excellent work continuing the series. He considers it a side story to Dragon Ball Z, and that also factors in to why there's always debates to how canon it is too. Some take that comment to mean it's canon, others taking it to mean it's not canon.
In Super he does do plot outline, then the staff writes the script and expands upon his outlined work. He seems more involved on the writing side for Super.
GT is dumb from top to bottom, but throwing its dumb ideas into equally dumb and content starved video games like Xenoverse and Heroes isn't hurting anything.
Now if we're talking stuff like FighterZ that has to make hard choices about what to include, then naw, ain't nobody got time for that.
Now if we're talking stuff like FighterZ that has to make hard choices about what to include, then naw, ain't nobody got time for that.
Yup.
Would rather have Baby Pan that GT Pan. That's true. I'm in the mindset of Fusion and Xenoverse I guess, where I expect a big cast of characters.
I'd actually like Baby, Baby Vegeta, and Majuub in a game for once. Just because I feel like they are major characters we never see in games. I have issues with each of them, but it'd be cool to see them in a game.
I do get that issue in a game like DBFZ. But I think Super's characters have a more robust moveset, so it wouldn't make much sense to have GT characters in something like DBFZ, besides the iconic big 3. Omega, SSJ4 Vegeta, SSJ4 Goku. I'd be shocked if we got Super or GT characters in DBFZ to be honest, Super maybe as DLC, with one Super character, either Caulifla or Jiren, as a preorder bonus.
I 100% buy Baby Pan being stronger than GT Pan, based on her in Super.
By Uub I assume you mean Majuub? Uub will be in Super soon to correct that.
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
He doesn't. He has the same yellow pants kid goku has. And vegeta already wears leather pants. SSJ4 doesn't give them clothes.
