Nemesis121
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Steppenwolf isn't here to talk and share his personal feelings, he's here to fucking conquer Earth, he's going to be your typical MCU shit villain...
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Justice League - Comic-Con Sneak Peek
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Steppenwolf isn't here to talk and share his personal feelings, he's here to fucking conquer Earth, he's going to be your typical MCU shit villain...
I'm not going to argue that the Marvel way doesn't allow for a better build up to the ensemble movie, but let's not pretend that it was entirely for plot reasons. 4 out of 6 of the Avengers were B-listers and mostly trash tier.
The Hulk was the most popular of their lineup followed by Cap (who wasn't exactly all that high in terms of popularity and quality). Iron Man was trash until RDJ made him popular. Same with Thor. Black Widow and Hawkeye were just crammed in (Black Widows barely had anything substantial in IM2, so let's not pretend they built her character up before Avengers, as a poster insinuated a few comments back).
The Hulk was the most popular of their lineup followed by Cap (who wasn't exactly all that high in terms of popularity and quality). Iron Man was trash until RDJ made him popular. Same with Thor. Black Widow and Hawkeye were just crammed in (Black Widows barely had anything substantial in IM2, so let's not pretend they built her character up before Avengers, as a poster insinuated a few comments back).
Banner mentions his Harlem fight in the Avengers and you of course have Thunderbolt Ross being a presence in Civil War.
Simply put, because doing that way inspires more confidence in the eventual team-up film than the way the DCEU has gone about it, as there's a precedent that has clearly worked.
It obviously isn't mandatory (especially if the writing's good enough), and I understand why they'd obviously want to just speed straight to making Justice League a thing. Even the MCU didn't bother with having movies for everyone, but they still introduced the characters beforehand at least, while Hawkeye in particular was a brief antagonist so as to make up for him having the least screentime. Meanwhile BvS did it through what were essentially Youtube videos and brought the movie down in quality (Should've been an after-credits scene), with Flash having very slightly more screentime in Suicide Squad. Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg have a lot more prominence than Black Widow and Hawkeye ability-wise, so it is kind of disheartening to see them all shoved in at once.
Again, it can work, but as I've said, the way Marvel did it inspired more confidence, regardless of them having more of a need to do so due to their characters being less popular.
But hey, they got the main three out of the way, so close enough I guess.
He's giving me Apocalypse vibes tbh
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Makes sense then, forgot about Ross after all these and the harlem reference I didn't catch.
You're not entirely wrong about it being a soft reboot though. In Hulk, his entire character arc is him accepting that there is a time and place for him to unleash Hulk. In Avengers....he goes through that same character arc again. Literally, it's the same lesson he is supposed to have learned.
Also, the end of Hulk has Tony approaching Ross, seemingly regarding Shield. What happened to that, especially given how Tony was ambivalent towards the Shield in Iron Man 2, who knows.
So there is some of canon discontinuity going on, but it's still generally accepted to have happened.
Really enjoyed the trailer.
It is just me or did anyone else feel like the track/score in the second half of the trailer was very Bond-esque?
*shrugs shoulders*
Fixed.
It is just me or did anyone else feel like the track/score in the second half of the trailer was very Bond-esque?
*shrugs shoulders*
Fixed.
This looks fun and like a film that will make the most of group dynamic without being too dark! Liking most things here like flash's humour, the look of batman is spot on & aquaman in general.
The things that do stand out as slight negatives are cyborg and also some very obvious digital doubles (WW landing from her swing and Aquaman as he comes out of the destroyed building). This was also an issue in WW but considering how long we have left until the film arrives some of this shots might have been pushed out in crunch just for the trailer and could change.
After watching BvS I never thought I'd be looking forward to the next film in the series but I am in.
The things that do stand out as slight negatives are cyborg and also some very obvious digital doubles (WW landing from her swing and Aquaman as he comes out of the destroyed building). This was also an issue in WW but considering how long we have left until the film arrives some of this shots might have been pushed out in crunch just for the trailer and could change.
After watching BvS I never thought I'd be looking forward to the next film in the series but I am in.
ReplacementPelican
Member
One thing is that, and I had this issue in BVS, that half the talk about how 'the' Superman is about how he inspires hope and makes people see the best in themselves.
But, did he? Like, that was not a superman that I was in any way inspired by and ultimately only actually did a handful of things, most of which he seemed to feel people didn't appreciate enough to the point where his Mom just goes on about how he doesn't own people shit.
It feels like they're talking about a superman that they didn't have in this universe.
But, did he? Like, that was not a superman that I was in any way inspired by and ultimately only actually did a handful of things, most of which he seemed to feel people didn't appreciate enough to the point where his Mom just goes on about how he doesn't own people shit.
It feels like they're talking about a superman that they didn't have in this universe.
Superman dying inspired Batman to be a better man.
I think it's okay for Batman to exaggerate that a tad.
MarkMclovin
Member
The action just looks garbage again. Why does it always boil down to the amount of destruction? Buildings falling, crashing down, people smashing through them. You can dial action up to 11 and the cgi down to minimum and it can have a much stronger impact.
You don't need world ending villians right from the start.
You don't need world ending villians right from the start.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
Looking forward to it, liking all the characters except Cyborg just looks wrong somehow.
The character that Alfred is greeting is obviously Lobo coming to claim a bounty on Steppenwolf...... Yeah OK, not gonna happen, but I believe they were looking at Jason Fuchs (WW writer) doing a Lobo script set in the DCMU, after how good WW turned out I'd be stoked if it's still in the works.
The character that Alfred is greeting is obviously Lobo coming to claim a bounty on Steppenwolf...... Yeah OK, not gonna happen, but I believe they were looking at Jason Fuchs (WW writer) doing a Lobo script set in the DCMU, after how good WW turned out I'd be stoked if it's still in the works.
Seeing pictures like this makes me appreciate the new Wonder Woman more. It's really touching.
But what I came here to ask, who is Jeremy Irons talking to at the end of the sneak peek? Or we don't know yet?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Superman.
Oh, I thought it was supposed to be something new since they seemed to only want to tease it. Why are they making such a big deal of character and actor portraying him when he has been seen 3 times already?
beyond_death
Member
They wouldnt be forming the Justice League if it wasn't world ending.
Im firmly convinced that its not Superman at the end. My guess is its Supergirl. That hologram hes looking at makes it seem like its Supergirl. Coupled with the
and the death of Superman you could easily make the connection that Bruce learned about her and then assumed shed come to the rescue sooner or later because Supes is gone. Hence, Alfreds He said youd come line as well as the hope emphasis. If it were Superman I would guess thered be a cheesy welcome back line.
empty pod from MoS
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
It's not a W. On my island it means hope.
Imagine if all of Cavill's scenes were flashbacks and it really is Supergirl who's going to join the fight at the end.
Don't let kids bully you at school...
I think he's just looking at a hologram of Superman
Is that Supergirl?!
family_guy
Member
Didn't realize Superman made the floor shake when he walks.
Not from walking, from flying at high speed, you know, breaking the sound barrier coming in to land.
Discotheque
Banned
I hope its a T-Rex
The bit at the end of Iron Man with Stark and Ross was retconned in the consultant.
Banner's control in Avengers comes as a direct result of the end of Incredible Hulk. He doesn't have an arc as such in Avengers, the only time he loses it involuntarily is when the Helicarrier is attacked.
The bit when Banner mentions trying to commit suicide but Hulk spitting the bullet out is also a direct reference to an alternative opening that's on the Incredible Hulk extras.
It was pretty dark and it's okay for people to not enjoy something for this reason. The entire trailer took place at night with either a rainy setting or a red hue in the sky, save for a couple quick shots of underwater, indoors, etc. Really disappointing trailer for me.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Super girls been on earth and out of her pod for while in this universe it seems like. In the prequel comic for Man of Steel by Snyder she's been around walking about for over a thousand years (either her or the person she fought wit)h. That could be her and there's a theory in the community thread that she's the one that originally fought back steppenwolf which is why he refers to there now being no Kryptonions around to protect earth.
Steppenwolf says No Kryptonian, singular, meaning only Clark.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
He can't only be referring to Clark regardless as he isn't the only known kryptonian on Earth. Both Zod and Clark are dead. There was a whole bunch of Kryptonians on Earth
Dreams-Visions
Member
Loved everything I saw in the trailer...
...except Cyborg. The face...it's just not working for me. Was WETA not available or something? Maybe it was just the trailer and they're still touching it up?
Or...
I mean is it just me? It's really hard for me to accept that he might look that bad, but presumably the shots they added him in were among the better looking shots available, right? Worried about him. I expect everything else to be good regardless, but as others have mentioned I would have rather seen a stand-alone Batman, Cyborg and Flash movie before this so that their arcs and personalities in this new DCEU have been imagined. But I'm sure there's a reason they wanted to get this out ASAP, so hopefully the future will be bright.
...except Cyborg. The face...it's just not working for me. Was WETA not available or something? Maybe it was just the trailer and they're still touching it up?
Or...
I mean is it just me? It's really hard for me to accept that he might look that bad, but presumably the shots they added him in were among the better looking shots available, right? Worried about him. I expect everything else to be good regardless, but as others have mentioned I would have rather seen a stand-alone Batman, Cyborg and Flash movie before this so that their arcs and personalities in this new DCEU have been imagined. But I'm sure there's a reason they wanted to get this out ASAP, so hopefully the future will be bright.
Primethius
Banned
Oh man, this is a great picture.
shira
Member
No.
Steppenwolf got his information from Lex. He doesn't have some historical record of every opposing force to come to Earth.
I think I only watched Iron Man before watching the Avengers and I enjoyed that film quite a lot.
From a marketing/hype perspective you're probably right, but in terms of making a movie that works I don't think individual origin movies are necessary. Those characters are mostly known properties (DC way more than Marvel for me by the way) and if you do them right (and I think Marvel for the most part did) it can be effective even without the backstory.
I think DC's problem so far is that they did a shit job with their characterization. And shit characterization is shit characterization, even if it's done over the span of a couple of movies (see: current Superman).
Oh and I should note that I have not seen Wonder Woman yet but I heard it's good, so this is of course not taking that film into account.
The Artisan
Member
looks like quite a spectacle.
thehypocrite
Member
It's like the end of BvS doesn't exist or something. It's pretty well established how he was all of that for a lot of people.
This is an example of people not paying attention and blaming a movie for failing to do something that it actually did pretty well.
thehypocrite
Member
But in happened in BvS. They showed all the people congregated, holding candles, bringing flowers, exalting him as an example for the good things in humanity. That was shown.
BrutishMrFish
Member
It was technically shown, but it was just as unearned as the lip service lines in the trailer. They never actually showed anything Superman did that brought out the best in people, they only ever showed how he brought out the worst in Batman, Lex, and side characters like the guy who vandalized the Superman statue.
This is a legitimate concern, but it's not exactly the same.
Avengers was a bunch of nobodies put together, and then Hulk.
Justice League is Batman Superman WonderWoman (now a $$$ name) + Flash and some randoms. You know who the characters are to some extent.
Look at the new Spiderman, they didn't give a shit explaining his back story at all, because they assumed people know. They do.